General Discussion - Page 5956

On July 22 2014 22:15 Unleashing wrote:
Valve should really make player pennants instead of team pennants.
Just have the ingame number be the number of team pennants + the number of player pennants for the team.

Because it's getting a bit tiresome to get a team pennant for a team and then they split after TI and you're left with a pennant for a team you no longer care about

On July 23 2014 00:04 Plansix wrote:
I think the problem is you have a lot of people putting input into what the system should be and sometimes the wrong idea wins out. Since they have never really done a progression system before in one of their games that isn’t WoW(which none of those systems should be applied Heroes in a progression system), they don’t really know what the “best system will be.”

Also, when your making a game, the main idea isn't to please everyone with the stuff you are testing. If everyone his happy and you’re just focused on pandering to them, it will likely lead to some lack luster choices. It’s likely better to try some sort of extreme system and see how people like it, or which part people like, rather than trying to guess what they want.

Day 9 said it in the interview about the game he was making. It far easier to go after the “low hanging fruit” but that’s not where the good design decisions are. Finding the stuff that people can really sink their teeth into and enjoy means you need to put in ideas that might not work and see why they don’t work. Assuming the outcome isn’t an option.

On July 22 2014 23:55 Churrass wrote:
can you imagine if dota 2 was blizzard property ? dumb mechanics like that would be all over the place, i am glad they ignored dota for all these years, otherwise the game and the competitive scene would be a complete joke

On July 23 2014 00:25 teapoted wrote:
This system is low hanging fruit though.

It's what microsoft Clippy would do if you asked him "how do you make a modern multiplayer game?"

"It looks like you're trying to create a League of Legends clone, Would you like help?"
"It appears you're missing an annoying grindy progression system"

"But Clippy, I don't have time to make an interesting progression system that actually has some depth to it other than just being a blatant system to give people a goal and keep them from leaving the game"

"That's okay, we'll just add a system that raises a couple of percentages and doesn't have a major impact on game mechanics, but a big enough impact to where people feel they need those levels."

On July 23 2014 00:14 Kipsate wrote:
I watched the Super bowl for the first time in my life this year as a European

That is what it must have felt like for a new dota fan watching the finals ;;

On July 23 2014 00:48 Plansix wrote:

Yeah, that part I can't argue with. Maybe there are getting pressure from some business department to make it more like LoL, cause that shit makes da money and they are just doing that to show them "Look people really don't like that shit." We do the same stuff with my clients where we need to let them "touch the stove" so they can learn

On July 23 2014 00:54 cecek wrote:
I can't even decide if the fact that you can't buy gold to get the artifacts is worse or better than if you could. On one hand, it's annoying that someone can spend money to get an advantage over you, on the other hand it's annoying that you can't get around the bullshit grind by paying money. Not that it matters to me, both systems are exactly what I absolutely hate in games. I wouldn't be surprised if they made it possible to buy gold in the future, tho.

On July 23 2014 01:19 BurningSera wrote:
But the latest patches dont quite 'taking turns', we never get such a big pool of comepetitive picks in the history of dota, and even if you did get the top picks, you still dont get that much of advantage compared to the patches pre-2013.

While blizzard's way of balance is literally 'taking turns', so that they satisfy their customers in order to keep sucking their blood/money. 'Just keep playing and paying blizzard will buff us eventually!', which is certainly not the case in dota.

speaking of that, where is comeh's buff on morph in 2014 lol

On July 22 2014 23:10 Targe wrote:

'its fair because everyone has the option to get all runes you just choose not to'

On July 23 2014 01:19 Plansix wrote:
I wonder if they are going to change Razor after he got that buff to his STR gain that made him the brick shit house that he currently is. Or if people will just figure out a way to draft around him, but that is sort of hard in the middle lane.

I like blink dagger, but it does lead issues that require more wards than are available and makes smoke that much more powerful in the later game. The fact that the break distance for smoke is 1000 and the blink distance is at minimum 960(or 1200 if you click within 1200) is a little silly. It means that once blink daggers are online, it makes smoke ganks god like, since nothing breaks smoke ever, and if you do your opponent is face humping you.

But knowing Icefrog, he will likely do something we have never thought of like giving us 3 wards in a set or making smoke even weirder.