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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 27 2014 21:12 GMT
#115521
I'm really curious what more needs to be said from Fnatic's perspective because without taking sides, it seems like we have a pretty clear idea of the whole picture here.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
June 27 2014 21:12 GMT
#115522
On June 28 2014 05:53 Targe wrote:
i fucking said to wait before going ham on valve

yall knew the shitstorm has 2 speeds: "knives out" and "pitchforks out"
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 21:16 GMT
#115523
Anyway I know I've said a lot but in the end Fnatic *will* play with Era, and I hope that they will both play well and that they won't break-up post TI just because of this. As one of the exceedingly few teams to survive TI3 (Others essentially being Alliance and Na'Vi), I think it would be a huge shame for TI4 to break them apart.

I'm afraid that it may happen, but I desperately don't want Fnatic's inability to practice or any kind of relapse from Era to interfere with their performance at TI4.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 21:24:38
June 27 2014 21:20 GMT
#115524
On June 28 2014 06:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
I'm really curious what more needs to be said from Fnatic's perspective because without taking sides, it seems like we have a pretty clear idea of the whole picture here.
Well they say they're going to release a statement shortly.

But they can't really say anything useful because their argument was with Valve and we know exactly what information they gave to Valve already..

Anyway, I got a 6pack and am waiting anxiously. This is more exciting than watching a movie or some shit.
Once you Goblak...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2014 21:25 GMT
#115525
On June 28 2014 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
And fnatic sat down, worked it out, and era agreed that they should play with excalibur.
So from their perspective that was a moot point.

I aint saying their article was good, I agreed with teapot way back when it was leaving something out clearly. But from fnatic's perspective they got permission and now it is "oh too late we said era decides but now we decide"

Yes they worked it out with a teenager that previously emailed valve saying the team fired him. Also a teen ager that is being treated for mental issues. I'm sure that was a really balanced discussion.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 27 2014 21:25 GMT
#115526
On June 28 2014 06:20 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 06:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
I'm really curious what more needs to be said from Fnatic's perspective because without taking sides, it seems like we have a pretty clear idea of the whole picture here.
Well they say they're going to release a statement shortly.

But they can't really say anything useful because their argument was with Valve and we know exactly what information they gave to Valve already.

Yes exactly. You're given an ultimatum to play with Era or not at all and H4nn1 clearly stated that they'll play with him, so I really doubt Valve's stance on the matter is going to change. Why beat a dead horse?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 21:29:19
June 27 2014 21:28 GMT
#115527
Damage control.

Although writing a press release in 2 hours on a Friday night in answer to a bunch of email logs might do them more damage.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 21:31 GMT
#115528
On June 28 2014 06:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
And fnatic sat down, worked it out, and era agreed that they should play with excalibur.
So from their perspective that was a moot point.

I aint saying their article was good, I agreed with teapot way back when it was leaving something out clearly. But from fnatic's perspective they got permission and now it is "oh too late we said era decides but now we decide"

Yes they worked it out with a teenager that previously emailed valve saying the team fired him. Also a teen ager that is being treated for mental issues. I'm sure that was a really balanced discussion.

A teenager who was told "You and you alone have the final and absolute vote" by valve. And who had his parents in the room/call/whatever.

I mean obviously era is torn up about this shit. He wants his team to do well more than any other person around. He doesn't want to hold them back. But its TI, and he'd do anything to participate. I'm sure he agonized over this.

Shit I wasn't gonna say anything more about this dumb situation.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 21:34:54
June 27 2014 21:33 GMT
#115529
On June 28 2014 05:52 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.


Well given that they excluded a ton of very relevant things in that statement, such as that they had kicked him despite the fact that he was cleared to play, I'm pretty certain that statement was purely intended to whip up a lynch mob, and you have some weird ass ideas about how the world works if you don't realize that. And why do you think nar choose navi? Because eg offered them a deal with only a cut of the prizepool as a one tourney deal, rather than the sponsorship they give their main team. Liquid doesn't take a cut, EG doesn't take a cut from their main team, Navi doesn't take a cut, alliance doesn't take a cut. I can't think of a single western sponsor who takes a cut of players winnings that is held as one of the top organizations to play for. Sponsors who do that tend to get their teams or players poached by the teams I just mentioned. Era was fine for most of the summer, fnatic had just kicked him because they thought that excalibur gave them a better shot at winning based on talent.

i cant believe how dumb you are. Arstyle left navi cuz he didnt want to give them a cut of his winnings
but suuuuure keep arguing like you had any idea
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 21:39:51
June 27 2014 21:39 GMT
#115530
Some teams take cuts, some teams don't. Some teams take when it's over a certain amount.

It doesn't make the team bad or good, it's just part of the business plan and incentive for running a team.

And Na'Vi most certainly did at TI1. Although we don't know if they still do.
Once you Goblak...
lightsentry
Profile Joined May 2011
413 Posts
June 27 2014 21:42 GMT
#115531
I'm sad because i had つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE FNATIC all prepared T_T. Need drama.

At least we got a quick response from Valve this time, probably the first time I've seen them respond to something this quickly.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 27 2014 21:50 GMT
#115532
Funny thing is, I thought Era has really played well this 2014.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:01:07
June 27 2014 21:59 GMT
#115533
I think Era is one of the most unremarkable players in Dota (talking about in-game, not personality).

Because he's not bad by any means. But it's also quite rare for him to really stand out.

He's just sort of invisible. He "plays his role" as they say. He makes some questionable item decisions, but so does the rest of Fnatic, so that's not weird either.

The closest comparison to him is probably Loda. But I think Loda tends to get a lot more done for his team generally. And at the same time to counter-balance that has more failures.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 27 2014 22:03 GMT
#115534
On June 28 2014 06:59 teapoted wrote:
I think Era is one of the most unremarkable players in Dota (talking about in-game, not personality).

Because he's not bad by any means. But it's also quite rare for him to really stand out.

He's just sort of invisible. He "plays his role" as they say. He makes some questionable item decisions, but so does the rest of Fnatic, so that's not weird either.

The closest comparison to him is probably Loda. But I think Loda tends to get a lot more done for his team generally. And at the same time to counter-balance that has more failures.

I dunno, I think as far as carries goes, he usually makes pretty decent decisions (IE, when hanni is busy building a skadi on qopi, he realizes his team actually needs an orchid on his naix).
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 27 2014 22:04 GMT
#115535
I don't know, I think Loda is pretty consistent overall even when Alliance was doing poorly. When it comes to Loda's individual failures I can really think of his Lodaspheres (he hasn't even touched Void in years right?) and Lycan play.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 27 2014 22:04 GMT
#115536
On June 28 2014 07:03 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 06:59 teapoted wrote:
I think Era is one of the most unremarkable players in Dota (talking about in-game, not personality).

Because he's not bad by any means. But it's also quite rare for him to really stand out.

He's just sort of invisible. He "plays his role" as they say. He makes some questionable item decisions, but so does the rest of Fnatic, so that's not weird either.

The closest comparison to him is probably Loda. But I think Loda tends to get a lot more done for his team generally. And at the same time to counter-balance that has more failures.

I dunno, I think as far as carries goes, he usually makes pretty decent decisions (IE, when hanni is busy building a skadi on qopi, he realizes his team actually needs an orchid on his naix).

H4nn1 easily is the most recognizable player when it comes to questionable item decisions.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:05:19
June 27 2014 22:05 GMT
#115537
On June 28 2014 07:04 Kuroeeah wrote:
I don't know, I think Loda is pretty consistent overall even when Alliance was doing poorly. When it comes to Loda's individual failures I can really think of his Lodaspheres (he hasn't even touched Void in years right?) and Lycan play.

Remember that time during the end of EE era when Loda built MoM on every carry, and lost a huge amount of games for his team?

Because I remember.

I always remember.
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SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
June 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#115538
I've read the statement from Valve and the chatlog, only thing I'm unsure about is the following :

was Fnatic management aware that Era contacted Valve to tell them he could play ? Did they learn that through Valve's statement ?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:22:12
June 27 2014 22:21 GMT
#115539
On June 28 2014 07:04 Kuroeeah wrote:
I don't know, I think Loda is pretty consistent overall even when Alliance was doing poorly. When it comes to Loda's individual failures I can really think of his Lodaspheres (he hasn't even touched Void in years right?) and Lycan play.
Well when I say failures I don't necessarily mean that he's inconsistent overall.

Loda plays extremely aggressively when he can afford to do so. I think if you compare like Loda and Xboct. They might have as many stupid deaths, but Loda's rarely lost them games, Xboct's lost them several.

I think Loda is the best 'carry player' (as in, he plays his role how it needs to be played for that specific game, not the flashiest, not the best mechanics). But I had to include an insult to his play because otherwise I'd be crucified for saying that on TL.
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 27 2014 22:56 GMT
#115540
On June 28 2014 06:33 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:52 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.


Well given that they excluded a ton of very relevant things in that statement, such as that they had kicked him despite the fact that he was cleared to play, I'm pretty certain that statement was purely intended to whip up a lynch mob, and you have some weird ass ideas about how the world works if you don't realize that. And why do you think nar choose navi? Because eg offered them a deal with only a cut of the prizepool as a one tourney deal, rather than the sponsorship they give their main team. Liquid doesn't take a cut, EG doesn't take a cut from their main team, Navi doesn't take a cut, alliance doesn't take a cut. I can't think of a single western sponsor who takes a cut of players winnings that is held as one of the top organizations to play for. Sponsors who do that tend to get their teams or players poached by the teams I just mentioned. Era was fine for most of the summer, fnatic had just kicked him because they thought that excalibur gave them a better shot at winning based on talent.

i cant believe how dumb you are. Arstyle left navi cuz he didnt want to give them a cut of his winnings
but suuuuure keep arguing like you had any idea

Well given that their contract with Nar'vi doesn't take a cut, and liquid/eg/allinace still don't take a cut, I can't believe how dumb you are. but suuuuuuurrrrrrree keep flaming me like you know anything
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