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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 27 2014 20:24 GMT
#115501
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 27 2014 20:26 GMT
#115502
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
June 27 2014 20:26 GMT
#115503
i love clusterfucks
u gotta farm
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 20:27 GMT
#115504
I mean everybody wanted a statement as to what was going on. Fnatic's statement wasn't really the best but everybody wanted info.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 27 2014 20:27 GMT
#115505
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

ok
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 27 2014 20:28 GMT
#115506
On June 28 2014 05:05 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Nice I was right, but I didn't go nearly far enough. I thought fnatic just did a shitty job, but it turns out they were trying to mess with the rules and they threw era under the buss to do it. Shitty organization for a sub par team.


Also holy shit how stupid is fnatic leadership. They tried to sick a lynch mob on valve, knowing that valve had all of that ready to counter punch with? It also seems that fnatic leadership did this because they take a cut of the prize money, which the good organizations like liquid or eg do not. Fucking retarded and slimy on their part, hope this means reddit stops felating them.

Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure. When ex-NAR got their offer from EG, it had EG taking a cut out of the teams tournament winnings in the deal.
super gg
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:30:58
June 27 2014 20:28 GMT
#115507
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
June 27 2014 20:37 GMT
#115508
On June 27 2014 23:59 Comeh wrote:
Watching purge's coaching sessions is like a lessons on how to focus on things not important about dota at all.

Well, his mmr is higher than yours. Maybe you should take notes

huehue
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 27 2014 20:37 GMT
#115509
On June 28 2014 05:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.

Dude, what? Fnatic said: "Era unfortunately can't play and we have to use a standin, but Valve won't let us." When what actually happened was that Era can and wants to play, but he got kicked from the team, because the rest of the team and management thinks they can do better without him. That's a massive difference.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:43:03
June 27 2014 20:42 GMT
#115510
On June 28 2014 05:37 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.

Dude, what? Fnatic said: "Era unfortunately can't play and we have to use a standin, but Valve won't let us." When what actually happened was that Era can and wants to play, but he got kicked from the team, because the rest of the team and management thinks they can do better without him. That's a massive difference.
Actually, Fnatic said this:

It is Era’s goal to participate in The International (and our hope); we support Era and hope to see him play alongside us.

Going back and reading that statement is pretty funny.
Once you Goblak...
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 27 2014 20:45 GMT
#115511
On June 28 2014 05:42 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:37 cecek wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.

Dude, what? Fnatic said: "Era unfortunately can't play and we have to use a standin, but Valve won't let us." When what actually happened was that Era can and wants to play, but he got kicked from the team, because the rest of the team and management thinks they can do better without him. That's a massive difference.
Actually, Fnatic said this:

It is Era’s goal to participate in The International (and our hope); we support Era and hope to see him play alongside us.

Going back and reading that statement is pretty funny.

Well that's that then, if Fnatic is really unwilling to go to TI4 with Era than that statement is nothing but a bold faced lie.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:50:52
June 27 2014 20:49 GMT
#115512
? they are playing with era. They just aren't happy about ti cuz era can't practice and could be a basket case in seattle for all they know.

Fnatic the players at least would fucking love to be their normal 5 and have the last month have been bootcamp practice and know that era wont have a mental breakdown in seattle. This isn't some elaborate plan to ditch era lol.
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 27 2014 20:52 GMT
#115513
On June 28 2014 05:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 05:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:18 teapoted wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.

hm.
if fnatic released the statement for the purpose of getting people to complain to valve on their behalf then that is super lame.
But im not sure we can be certain that was their intent.


Yes we can. Going to reddit it like that has only one purpose, to whip up a lynch mob to get what you want. No other reason to release that bullshit statement.

Ummm, apparently posting a press release on your website is now "Going to reddit" okay dude. Like no matter what they do you can construe it as "going to reddit" by that criteria. They literally just said "hey this is whats up: we want to play with excalibur because we can't use era properly, he isn't mentally well. Valve wont let us. We sad". And no, you can't contest that "But era is fine" when he can't practice all summer, and "was fine" for DH bucharest too.

Edit: holy shit jaaasper calm the fuck down. you have some weird ass ideas about all the organizations.


Well given that they excluded a ton of very relevant things in that statement, such as that they had kicked him despite the fact that he was cleared to play, I'm pretty certain that statement was purely intended to whip up a lynch mob, and you have some weird ass ideas about how the world works if you don't realize that. And why do you think nar choose navi? Because eg offered them a deal with only a cut of the prizepool as a one tourney deal, rather than the sponsorship they give their main team. Liquid doesn't take a cut, EG doesn't take a cut from their main team, Navi doesn't take a cut, alliance doesn't take a cut. I can't think of a single western sponsor who takes a cut of players winnings that is held as one of the top organizations to play for. Sponsors who do that tend to get their teams or players poached by the teams I just mentioned. Era was fine for most of the summer, fnatic had just kicked him because they thought that excalibur gave them a better shot at winning based on talent.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 27 2014 20:53 GMT
#115514
i fucking said to wait before going ham on valve
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 20:53 GMT
#115515
On June 28 2014 05:53 Targe wrote:
i fucking said to wait before going ham on valve

What? it was obvious only the retards were going ham on valve.
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 27 2014 20:54 GMT
#115516
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Well that is ironic isn't it.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 20:59 GMT
#115517
On June 28 2014 05:52 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Well given that they excluded a ton of very relevant things in that statement, such as that they had kicked him despite the fact that he was cleared to play, I'm pretty certain that statement was purely intended to whip up a lynch mob, and you have some weird ass ideas about how the world works if you don't realize that. And why do you think nar choose navi? Because eg offered them a deal with only a cut of the prizepool as a one tourney deal, rather than the sponsorship they give their main team. Liquid doesn't take a cut, EG doesn't take a cut from their main team, Navi doesn't take a cut, alliance doesn't take a cut. I can't think of a single western sponsor who takes a cut of players winnings that is held as one of the top organizations to play for. Sponsors who do that tend to get their teams or players poached by the teams I just mentioned. Era was fine for most of the summer, fnatic had just kicked him because they thought that excalibur gave them a better shot at winning based on talent.

? They excluded ONE thing: Era originally emailed va,lve and asked to play.
Show me copies of contracts indicating that EG/TL/Na'Vi don't take a cut from prizes won. Or really any proof.
Era was FUCKING NOT FINE. He ditched them for D2L finals, "Came back" for dreamhack bucharest, then ditched them for The summit (beginning of june). How is puking every day and flying home sick less than 6 weeks before the most important tournament starts (as well as missing multiple other very important tournaments) "Fine"? he only said he was fine because he'd kill to play in TI, like any pro. Sure maybe he was recovering but even then its too late you can't just miss all the prep for TI and be "fine" you've already fucked your team. THERES 0 CHANCE IN HELL A TEAM DUMPS A PLAYER 4 DAYS BEFORE A TOURNAMENT ON SKILL GROUNDS.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 21:05:33
June 27 2014 20:59 GMT
#115518
On June 28 2014 05:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? they are playing with era. They just aren't happy about ti cuz era can't practice and could be a basket case in seattle for all they know.

Fnatic the players at least would fucking love to be their normal 5 and have the last month have been bootcamp practice and know that era wont have a mental breakdown in seattle. This isn't some elaborate plan to ditch era lol.
Well it is a plan to ditch Era. It isn't elaborate though.
? They excluded ONE thing: Era originally emailed va,lve and asked to play.
Excluding one thing which is the entire reasoning for the others argument is much more important than 100 small things.

It's like "yeah I slept with this girl and I haven't called her, she's really angry about it, I don't know why". Turns out she got pregnant and has been raising a child on her own for 3 years. I'm only excluding 1 thing.

And Fnatic says a lot of things in that statement which just aren't true or are completely out of context. It would have to take someone with very poor reading comprehension to read both things and think that it's all above board except that one missing bit.
Once you Goblak...
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 27 2014 21:04 GMT
#115519
I mean regardless of what you think or which side of the debate you're on, that was a pretty important fact to deliberately exclude wasn't?
Sn0_Man
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Last Edited: 2014-06-27 21:05:45
June 27 2014 21:04 GMT
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And fnatic sat down, worked it out, and era agreed that they should play with excalibur.
So from their perspective that was a moot point.

I aint saying their article was good, I agreed with teapot way back when it was leaving something out clearly. But from fnatic's perspective they got permission and now it is "oh too late we said era decides but now we decide"
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