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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 27 2014 19:49 GMT
#115481
is era actually ok though

I can't imagine fnatic would dick around with one of the most stable rosters in dota/hon and have something insignificant and retarded as basis for doing so
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2014 19:50 GMT
#115482
You underestimate the power of money.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
June 27 2014 19:50 GMT
#115483
Hah so everyone's suspicions were confirmed rofl. Stay sketchy esports orgs.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 19:55:33
June 27 2014 19:51 GMT
#115484
The one thing which is sort of missing though is that there's only one email from Era. And after that point they 'say' they got Era's consent. Now obviously, you can get any teenager's consent by saying that they're jeopardizing the chances for 4 of his friends, but it does seem weird to me.

So has the situation changed since mid-june to the point where Fnatic released their statement? Who knows.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 27 2014 19:52 GMT
#115485
Oh, it will absolutely hurt their reputation, there's no question at all.
super gg
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2014 19:54 GMT
#115486
Yeah, I think Valve stepped in at that point and said that it was era or nothing. Bullying a teenager into letting Excalibur play would be pretty easy for an team, especially one with the issues Era is having.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:01:21
June 27 2014 19:56 GMT
#115487
On June 28 2014 04:52 cecek wrote:
Oh, it will absolutely hurt their reputation, there's no question at all.

It's real dumb of Fnatic to release a statement without mentioning any of this. It obviously wouldn't look as pretty for them as their statement did, but I don't think this situation would be that damaging to Fnatic if they were honest. If they said that they don't think they can play with him and they disagree with Valve's decision, they would look like a professional org making a sound decision. Some people would be against it, some would be for it. Now everyone is against them.

Like trying to cover up the truth against Valve is... fanatically stupid.

Even though I'm still curious about what's happened the past 2 weeks that led to that post being made. Especially after Hanni said they would play with him. Whatever happened, the decision to make that post... I don't get it.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 27 2014 20:00 GMT
#115488
I think Fnatic gambled on Valve not going public with this. I'm honestly pretty shocked that Valve did this move. I don't think they've ever done anything similar to this, as far as I know, Valve always remained quiet and didn't explain their decisions, let alone actually go public with e-mail conversations and stuff.
super gg
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
June 27 2014 20:02 GMT
#115489
Yeah when valve actually makes a public statement, you know you done fucked up
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:07:43
June 27 2014 20:05 GMT
#115490
Nice I was right, but I didn't go nearly far enough. I thought fnatic just did a shitty job, but it turns out they were trying to mess with the rules and they threw era under the buss to do it. Shitty organization for a sub par team.


Also holy shit how stupid is fnatic leadership. They tried to sick a lynch mob on valve, knowing that valve had all of that ready to counter punch with? It also seems that fnatic leadership did this because they take a cut of the prize money, which the good organizations like liquid or eg do not. Fucking retarded and slimy on their part, hope this means reddit stops felating them.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 20:07 GMT
#115491
I'm not sure people realize how badly era scumbagged his team here.

I mean, I'd probably do the same thing in his shoes plus he's just a kid, but he's really scumbagging them. "Hi I ditched you for LANs on less than a weeks notice multiple times, plus I can't participate in your expensive bootcamp that you set up for us, so basically we can't practice well or anything and who knows if I'll be a mental wreck or a human being in Seattle, but I'm still making you play with me". He has the right, but its really fucking not fair to his team. Not that any of this is fair to him either but shit happens when you get ill.

From fnatic the organizations perspective, they weren't firing the kid they just wanted to have a 5-man roster for more than 2 weeks before the 10-fucking-million-dollar tournament. Hell, they really can't be sure the kid won't be a basket case flying all the way to seattle. Thats really not too much to ask. More than a million bucks in prize money will be handed out this june, do you think it's fair to Fnatic the team and the organization to be hamstrung from pursuing that money because Era can't travel?

The biggest issue is that their press release ignored Era's first email to valve. But to be fair, they don't care about that email as they secured era's agreement to let them play and valve said "the player controls who sits in that seat".

The situation is just shit-balls-fuckign-awful for all involved.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 27 2014 20:07 GMT
#115492
On June 28 2014 04:50 Plansix wrote:
You underestimate the power of money.

This works both ways though
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 27 2014 20:07 GMT
#115493
On June 28 2014 05:00 cecek wrote:
I think Fnatic gambled on Valve not going public with this. I'm honestly pretty shocked that Valve did this move. I don't think they've ever done anything similar to this, as far as I know, Valve always remained quiet and didn't explain their decisions, let alone actually go public with e-mail conversations and stuff.
Well I'm guessing they don't trust Fnatic.

Because I'd imagine they would normally just deal with the org, the org would then release another statement saying that it's been resolved.
Once you Goblak...
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:14:17
June 27 2014 20:08 GMT
#115494
there are a few ways to view this situation.
I dont think anyone here is really a scumbag, just a bunch of people acting in what they believed to be their best interests

fnatic offered to compensate era if they played without him, so its not like their complete dicks. and if era has had health problems lately then its natural that his team is worried about him going into the most important tourny of the year. I dont think era is a dick tho. mental health problems can be a bitch.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:14:27
June 27 2014 20:10 GMT
#115495
On June 28 2014 05:08 PassiveAce wrote:
there are a few ways to view this situation.
I dont think anyone here is really a scumbag, just a bunch of people acting in what they believed to be their best interests
No. Fnatic's statement was a scumbag move. It was blatantly misrepresenting the facts.

I don't think their actions previous to it was, necessarily. (although we can't really know the specifics of that)
Once you Goblak...
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:17:12
June 27 2014 20:16 GMT
#115496
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.

like snoman says, whose to say he doesnt have a breakdown on the flight? its a tricky situation for everyone i think.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 20:21:27
June 27 2014 20:18 GMT
#115497
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm saying releasing a statement, looking to cause a shitstorm (because what else would the statement do) to make them change their mind. And in that statement mentioning nothing about the fact that the reason Valve is against it is because Era said he could play. And that they apparently have no medical information saying he can't.

You even have people like SunTzu. Who is apparently an idiot, but still, someone clued into the scene. Tweet about how angry he was that Valve didn't think Mental Illness was serious because why wouldn't they give him the same treatment as Fear. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but that's the kind of sentiment you brew when you don't tell the truth.

Blatant misrepresentation.

~

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fnatic wanting to play with another player. If they should be allowed to or if they handled that situation properly is another question, but I don't think that's 'dickish' at all.
Once you Goblak...
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 27 2014 20:19 GMT
#115498
On June 28 2014 05:16 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its lame for fnatic to seek valves blessing for a replacement after era indicated that he wanted to play, but its not that dickish in the context of era being flaky lately.

like snoman says, whose to say he doesnt have a breakdown on the flight? its a tricky situation for everyone i think.

Well the medical clearance that era provided to valve for starters. It almost looks like fnatic tried to put a forced institutionalization on him, but that has to be me being pissed at the rest of this and mis-interpreting in my anger right?
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 27 2014 20:20 GMT
#115499
ya ur brain is prolly lying to you jasper
maybe u should try and get control of ur emotions
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 27 2014 20:20 GMT
#115500
On June 28 2014 05:00 cecek wrote:
I think Fnatic gambled on Valve not going public with this. I'm honestly pretty shocked that Valve did this move. I don't think they've ever done anything similar to this, as far as I know, Valve always remained quiet and didn't explain their decisions, let alone actually go public with e-mail conversations and stuff.


Valve has actually done things like this before. When they have a PR situation that requires transparency, they basically release everything they can.

I remember there being an issue with SteamGuard scanning local files, or something. Gaben actually posted on Reddit with full explanation of everything that the software did with the system, just short of exact specifics about what would be a red flag.
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