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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2014 17:45 GMT
#115461
Her and earth spirit. I want them both, but we must wait until lord gaben's contest if champions is over.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 27 2014 17:46 GMT
#115462
Fuck earthspirit dude if that hero started to get picked in competitive it might start showing up in my pubs.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
June 27 2014 17:51 GMT
#115463
On June 28 2014 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
Fuck earthspirit dude if that hero started to get picked in competitive it might start showing up in my pubs.

Word i dislike pheonix and earthspirit dumb heroes
我是冠军
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 17:53:50
June 27 2014 17:53 GMT
#115464
I mean if u see a phoenix u just pick silencer and he can't even come to ur lane.

Also people really don't get how easy it is to right click his ulti or somehting.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 27 2014 17:58 GMT
#115465
im glad guillermo del toro keeps getting to make the big dumb movies he loves.
wish hed come out with another pans labyrinth tho.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 27 2014 18:01 GMT
#115466
rofl this comment about dota on the verge is bothering me so much i have no idea why

guy blames valve/if's strict adherence to dota1 mechanics as dota2's biggest weakness, and goes on to say it's 'well balanced', 'overly simple', and 'overly complex' all in one sentence. then at the end as a conclusion he says that dota2 is 'mechanically unrefined'.

site is worse than yt
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 27 2014 18:09 GMT
#115467
On June 28 2014 03:01 andyrau wrote:
rofl this comment about dota on the verge is bothering me so much i have no idea why

guy blames valve/if's strict adherence to dota1 mechanics as dota2's biggest weakness, and goes on to say it's 'well balanced', 'overly simple', and 'overly complex' all in one sentence. then at the end as a conclusion he says that dota2 is 'mechanically unrefined'.

site is worse than yt


Yes, well-balanced means it can't adapt to p2w effectively,
Overly simple limits the amount of circlejerking over its depth,
Overly complex makes it hard to learn

Overall it doesn't have well refined mechanics like gap closers and skillshots.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2014 18:17 GMT
#115468
Blink dagger, ultimate gap closer. Available on every hero.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
June 27 2014 19:19 GMT
#115469
Valve responded to Fnatic.
http://blog.dota2.com/2014/06/6608/
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 27 2014 19:23 GMT
#115470
Yeah, this is all super super messy. It's hard to judge who's right or wrong, imo. At the end of the day, it's Valve's tournament, so it's all up to them. I like how every email is also sent to IceFrog, but he doesn't have a single reply there.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 27 2014 19:24 GMT
#115471
Fnatic didn't tell them about it until May 29th? I thought their bootcamp started in like the beginning of May, and they said he was there "a couple of days late" and left "less than a week later".
Once you Goblak...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 27 2014 19:26 GMT
#115472
On June 28 2014 04:23 cecek wrote:
Yeah, this is all super super messy. It's hard to judge who's right or wrong, imo. At the end of the day, it's Valve's tournament, so it's all up to them. I like how every email is also sent to IceFrog, but he doesn't have a single reply there.


Valve right
Fnatic wrong

It's a pretty obvious separation in that Valve distinguished that EG followed the deadline regarding player swaps way before invites and 2. there has been two lines of communication from parties within Fnatic that conflicted with what they wanted to do.

Valve stuck to their gun: 1. Invite the players, not a team brand and 2. Stuck to their deadline notice regarding player swaps.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 27 2014 19:29 GMT
#115473
As I said from Fnatic's statement. It was clear something was missing from that story.

I didn't expect it to be Era's side though.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 27 2014 19:31 GMT
#115474
The problem also seems to be that Fnatic tried to make it sound like an unanimous decision between everyone that they won't play with Era anymore, but Era actually got kicked from the team. I just hope Era will be alright in the end. I can't imagine having severe panic attacks, depression and anxiety issues while playing for literal millions in a team with 4 people who would rather play with someone else. That could easily end very badly.
super gg
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
June 27 2014 19:32 GMT
#115475
Wow, for shame Fnatic.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 19:41:49
June 27 2014 19:33 GMT
#115476
Although I can understand Fnatic's position, as in any other tournament this would be quite normal and they would just swap a player if they don't think they will perform as well. Putting out that statement ignoring the sentiments from Era is pretty god damn stupid.

But we've known for a very long time that Valve really don't care about the organisation and invite players. To the point where they even pay directly to players and not the organisation. (which dates back to TI1 artstyle drama)

I fucking love this though:

From: Patrik Sättermon [mailto:<removed>]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 12:42 PM
To: Erik Johnson
Cc: Danijel Remus; Sahil Deva; Anne Mathews; Icefrog
Subject: Re: Fnatic Dota 2 - Concern

Dear Erik,

I was meant to reach out to you guys today as I just got back to our headquarters here in London after an extended business trip in Asia.

I strongly believe that the fastest and smoothest way forward is to schedule a Skype call where we can discuss this matter. I do have Dreamhack Summer coming up for me starting tomorrow, but as this matter is urgent, I'm very happy to be flexible around your hours.

Please let me know when is good for you and we take it from there. My Skype details are to be found in the details below.

Best regards,
Patrik Sättermon


From: Erik Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 12:44 PM
To: Patrik Sättermon
Cc: Danijel Remus; Sahil Deva; Anne Mathews; Icefrog
Subject: RE: Fnatic Dota 2 - Concern

I’d prefer e-mail.
Get told.

I hate when people want to skype for business for no apparent reason unless it's a group conference or some shit. Need records of what's said and time to think.
Once you Goblak...
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 27 2014 19:36 GMT
#115477
I am a big fan of valves policy of inviting players and not teams.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
June 27 2014 19:42 GMT
#115478
Era's tweet makes a lot of sense now.

"Not allowed to play any LAN during the summer. I would've loved to, though"
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 27 2014 19:45 GMT
#115479
I wonder if that blog post will hurt fnatics reputation.
Could easily be construed as fnatic trying to fuck over era.
not that I think thats not an oversimplification but im sure some people will see it that way.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2014 19:46 GMT
#115480
Fnatic is fucked folks. This is going to be a blight of them for years. Good on valve.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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