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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
May 16 2012 00:25 GMT
#11221
[image loading]

Hmmm....
Dear Sixsmith...
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 16 2012 05:53 GMT
#11222
So right after IG gets their invite, there's team drama

basically Chuan generally complains whenever they lose, and after their game last night he posted something to the effect of

无奈,无助 [image loading]

which roughly translates to "can't do anything, no help"

there are rumors that either he's going to leave the team for Zenith or IG is going to fire him and get somebody who can actually play as a team. Basically the current IG has Zhou, who's used to playing standard first position, and 3 of the best 2nd positions (430,YYF,Chuan) in the world, and Faith.

but this shit doesn't work when u've got 3 people all trying to play second position

1. Zhou's carry is left vulnerable for much of the game
2. Shit farm distribution means that everybody fails if the laning phase doesn't go well
3. Faith becomes useless fodder due to having to support alone
4. Teamfights turns into people running the fuck away and KSing instead of winning

Basically a dream team of some of the best talent in DotA playing like a bunch of pubs because 0 teamplay
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 16 2012 06:16 GMT
#11223
T_T ig
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
May 16 2012 06:44 GMT
#11224
They shouldn't have been invited in the first place ._. aren't DK LGD WE and a couple other teams generally performing better than them anyways?
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 16 2012 06:50 GMT
#11225
They were invited because
1) stable roster (the only other stable team over the past year was DK)
2) lots of large names
3) they did when SMM (one of the biggest DotA tournies last year)
4) the owner has a lot of financial strength and pull in the scene
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 16 2012 08:06 GMT
#11226
no it doesnt add 35% to your tidebringer, thank you very much for asking


ehm, yes it does, you splash for 135% dmg
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 16 2012 08:10 GMT
#11227
On May 16 2012 17:06 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
no it doesnt add 35% to your tidebringer, thank you very much for asking


ehm, yes it does, you splash for 135% dmg

It stacks independently, it just adds bfury cleave on top of tidebringer in its smaller aoe. Check out cleave stacking.
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 16 2012 08:26 GMT
#11228
On May 16 2012 17:10 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 17:06 cilinder007 wrote:
no it doesnt add 35% to your tidebringer, thank you very much for asking


ehm, yes it does, you splash for 135% dmg

It stacks independently, it just adds bfury cleave on top of tidebringer in its smaller aoe. Check out cleave stacking.


This. You splash 100% damage in the tidebringer 500 aoe, and 135% in the bfury 225 aoe on a tidebringer attack.
super gg
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 09:30:13
May 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#11229
On May 16 2012 14:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
So right after IG gets their invite, there's team drama

basically Chuan generally complains whenever they lose, and after their game last night he posted something to the effect of

无奈,无助 [image loading]

which roughly translates to "can't do anything, no help"

there are rumors that either he's going to leave the team for Zenith or IG is going to fire him and get somebody who can actually play as a team. Basically the current IG has Zhou, who's used to playing standard first position, and 3 of the best 2nd positions (430,YYF,Chuan) in the world, and Faith.

but this shit doesn't work when u've got 3 people all trying to play second position

1. Zhou's carry is left vulnerable for much of the game
2. Shit farm distribution means that everybody fails if the laning phase doesn't go well
3. Faith becomes useless fodder due to having to support alone
4. Teamfights turns into people running the fuck away and KSing instead of winning

Basically a dream team of some of the best talent in DotA playing like a bunch of pubs because 0 teamplay

That explains why they used to run 4-core.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2727 Posts
May 16 2012 09:29 GMT
#11230
I havent played dota too much last months, specially last patches. it is QW invoker still teh best invoker? I see they changed him (buffs and nerfs).
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 16 2012 09:35 GMT
#11231
On May 16 2012 18:29 haitike wrote:
I havent played dota too much last months, specially last patches. it is QW invoker still teh best invoker? I see they changed him (buffs and nerfs).

There is no 'best' invoker.
It's very situation dependant, sometimes i'd prefer exort quas over quas wex and so on.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
May 16 2012 10:11 GMT
#11232
E/Q invoker is being played more than Q/W by the top teams at the moment (Dendi, Pajkatt among others). They can really make use of sunstrike early with good team coordination. It doesn't mean it's 'better' though. For example, Q/W is a lot harder to kill than an E/Q invoker and you just have to time tornado/EMP, it's not as if the dmg/mana burn was nerfed.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 12:27:09
May 16 2012 12:09 GMT
#11233
gonna restream chinese dota1 soon.

iG vs for.love in SW7

http://www.twitch.tv/cinco__es


* watching OSL at the same time
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 16 2012 12:36 GMT
#11234

Dota 2 LORE power metal song. Pretty damn epic, I wish there were lyrics tho, I don't understand everything. :D
super gg
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 16 2012 13:29 GMT
#11235
so to get into nadl you need to know people there ? or how does that work
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
May 16 2012 13:31 GMT
#11236
Star series session two will start in 1 hour and 30 minutes
zNation [17:00 CET]Virtus.Pro
Darer [19:00 CET]mtw
SWYC [20:00 CET]DTS
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 16 2012 13:35 GMT
#11237
On May 16 2012 22:29 cilinder007 wrote:
so to get into nadl you need to know people there ? or how does that work

you become more known.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
May 16 2012 15:00 GMT
#11238
On May 16 2012 21:09 rabidch wrote:
gonna restream chinese dota1 soon.

iG vs for.love in SW7

http://www.twitch.tv/cinco__es


* watching OSL at the same time

So is this ForLove a real competitor, or was iG just messing up the first game?

How do the Chinese teams rate leshrac or tide? Are TC and siren high priority picks? Why? It's kinda hard to find anything relating to the cn scene, but I'm really interested to see what kind of stuff they are bringing to the international.
So zen.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 15:13:48
May 16 2012 15:11 GMT
#11239
On May 17 2012 00:00 SQWKZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 21:09 rabidch wrote:
gonna restream chinese dota1 soon.

iG vs for.love in SW7

http://www.twitch.tv/cinco__es


* watching OSL at the same time

So is this ForLove a real competitor, or was iG just messing up the first game?

How do the Chinese teams rate leshrac or tide? Are TC and siren high priority picks? Why? It's kinda hard to find anything relating to the cn scene, but I'm really interested to see what kind of stuff they are bringing to the international.

iG messed up the first game badly, ForLove is a 3rd tier chinese team but iG has to focus on 2 games while ForLove just 1. Naga is not a conventional pick but she works sometimes for teams that like to force teamfights on teams with mediocre teamfight. TC is a pretty well known pick now but uncommon against a lot of lineups. Leshrac is pretty decently rated in Dota1 (Dota2 he is a stronger pick), similar to Tide.

iG has a very good possibility of losing the 3rd game, but TV broadcast schedule killed the stream lol
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 16 2012 15:14 GMT
#11240
ForLove and NA are 2 top up and coming teams, ForLove is definitely reasonably good but are overshadowed by NA, who's beat almost all the major teams cept DK at this point. Though tbh its really just iG playing really poorly, interteam drama + playing DotA2 at the same time + shit lineups

TC is a high pick, siren is something that people have tried from time to time, but its never been standard
lesh is rarely played, Tide is usually neglected in favor of stuff like TC
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
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