EPTI am new to the scene (never followed Dota1) so I dont know if the recent drama is a good indicator for what it will be like going forward.
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
I am new to the scene (never followed Dota1) so I dont know if the recent drama is a good indicator for what it will be like going forward. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
Or they could do something like LoL ranked games. Or they could come up with something completely different. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 09 2012 13:19 NB wrote: i doubt they will because having non-hidden mmr just bring out more bragging therefore reduce the quality of the community which will ultimately kill the game. But not having one is really a pain in the ass atm... I honestly cannot imagine them not implementing ranked gameplay. If they don't put one in I'd start calling dota2 more casual than LoL. Putting hurt feelings over competitive play for those who want it. The MM system we have now is pretty much exactly like LoL normal games, and I'd rather not play those for the rest of my life. Setting up inhouse leagues is time consuming and not as accessible to everyone either. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: I honestly cannot imagine them not implementing ranked gameplay. If they don't put one in I'd start calling dota2 more casual than LoL. Putting hurt feelings over competitive play for those who want it. The MM system we have now is pretty much exactly like LoL normal games, and I'd rather not play those for the rest of my life. Setting up inhouse leagues is time consuming and not as accessible to everyone either. no, they could just make up fake rank system like sc2 and hidden MMR. who are calling sc2 is more casual than LoL? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Utaheka
Denmark124 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: I honestly cannot imagine them not implementing ranked gameplay. If they don't put one in I'd start calling dota2 more casual than LoL. Putting hurt feelings over competitive play for those who want it. The MM system we have now is pretty much exactly like LoL normal games, and I'd rather not play those for the rest of my life. Setting up inhouse leagues is time consuming and not as accessible to everyone either. Dota 2 more casual than LoL? Doubt it. Dunno if you have key or whatnot, or have played all dota-like games, but DotA is definitely the hardest of all three. (Only counting hon, lol, dota2). And the ranked system is already implented in the MMR. If you want to play "normal games", like in lol, you'll probably have to play custom games. Yes, there are certain inhouse leagues atm (Wouldn't count TL as one, since it's like playing pubs to be honest), but there's still NADL, but unless you know people, it's hard to get in there. Anywho, I think they shouldn't be going for ranked games like in LoL. Because in LoL, people have a tendency to be complete jerkoffs saying "I got this solo carry" shit, and if it doesn't go their way they rage alot. I don't think we want that in Dota2. Meanwhile, sadly, the HoN communtiy is dying, so therefore all the crybabies are joining DotA 2. - You all know it's true. And I'm not trying generalize all DotA players, because it's ofcourse not everybody who's whining, some does know how to behave, but still, sadly, the majority of the DotA community tends to whine alot. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 09 2012 11:07 NB wrote: was trying to snipe singsing... he is now in game 5 mins and i still dont have a single match... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P7Inb.png) dude, you forget AP xD (sing only queue on AP, SD) edit:oh shit sry he queued sd rd last night XD | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 09 2012 15:05 Utaheka wrote: Dota 2 more casual than LoL? Doubt it. Dunno if you have key or whatnot, or have played all dota-like games, but DotA is definitely the hardest of all three. (Only counting hon, lol, dota2). And the ranked system is already implented in the MMR. If you want to play "normal games", like in lol, you'll probably have to play custom games. Yes, there are certain inhouse leagues atm (Wouldn't count TL as one, since it's like playing pubs to be honest), but there's still NADL, but unless you know people, it's hard to get in there. Anywho, I think they shouldn't be going for ranked games like in LoL. Because in LoL, people have a tendency to be complete jerkoffs saying "I got this solo carry" shit, and if it doesn't go their way they rage alot. I don't think we want that in Dota2. Meanwhile, sadly, the HoN communtiy is dying, so therefore all the crybabies are joining DotA 2. - You all know it's true. And I'm not trying generalize all DotA players, because it's ofcourse not everybody who's whining, some does know how to behave, but still, sadly, the majority of the DotA community tends to whine alot. Lolwut, normal games have their own hidden MMR. They work EXACTLY like the dota 2 MM. You can queue with anyone, 2 to 5 people if you want, and it tries to match you to an equal total MMR. And how is dota harder than any of them? You can't make that claim unless you're literally at the top of each game, which I don't think anyone here can say that. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:33 NB wrote: no, they could just make up fake rank system like sc2 and hidden MMR. who are calling sc2 is more casual than LoL? In the case of getting rid of a visible ranked system how is that any different? SC2 is probably the most "elitist" when it comes to even amateur level competitive play and people make fun of "bronze level" tactics, etc all the time. In any case, ELO never came close to killing LoL. If you don't have it in you to deal with that shit you can play normals and everyone is happy. | ||
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Slythape
Malaysia689 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 09 2012 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote: Lolwut, normal games have their own hidden MMR. They work EXACTLY like the dota 2 MM. You can queue with anyone, 2 to 5 people if you want, and it tries to match you to an equal total MMR. And how is dota harder than any of them? You can't make that claim unless you're literally at the top of each game, which I don't think anyone here can say that. The reason dota is considered harder is because it requires more mechanics, such as creep denying, creep stacking/pulling, most items have active abilities, no noob-free tp which can take you back to base whenever, etc. The skills needed on the very top level are very different and at that point, players already know the mechanics well, so saying dota is the hardest actually does make the most sense when you're not playing at the very top. | ||
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Slaptoast
Canada134 Posts
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Utaheka
Denmark124 Posts
On May 09 2012 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote: Normal Games doesn't have MMR lol? Why would it? That people that I know can have +100 wins in normal games and still not be pro, they're far from pro actually.Lolwut, normal games have their own hidden MMR. They work EXACTLY like the dota 2 MM. You can queue with anyone, 2 to 5 people if you want, and it tries to match you to an equal total MMR. And how is dota harder than any of them? You can't make that claim unless you're literally at the top of each game, which I don't think anyone here can say that. I don't think there's any MMR system in Normal games, they're only implented in Ranked. Ofcourse they're levelscaling and scanning through your wins (not loss), but besides that, no. And DotA 2 is harder because of the mechanics, if you don't think it's harder, you clearly never played DotA  . Any LoL player I know will agree on my statement. | ||
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Utaheka
Denmark124 Posts
On May 09 2012 16:35 Tobberoth wrote: Agreed.The reason dota is considered harder is because it requires more mechanics, such as creep denying, creep stacking/pulling, most items have active abilities, no noob-free tp which can take you back to base whenever, etc. The skills needed on the very top level are very different and at that point, players already know the mechanics well, so saying dota is the hardest actually does make the most sense when you're not playing at the very top. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 09 2012 17:03 Utaheka wrote: Normal Games doesn't have MMR lol? Why would it? That people that I know can have +100 wins in normal games and still not be pro, they're far from pro actually. I don't think there's any MMR system in Normal games, they're only implented in Ranked. Ofcourse they're levelscaling and scanning through your wins (not loss), but besides that, no. And DotA 2 is harder because of the mechanics, if you don't think it's harder, you clearly never played DotA . Any LoL player I know will agree on my statement.They 100% do actually. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1009116 and other past posts, etc. They're completely separate from the ranked ELO. They aren't based off # of wins, they're based off wins - losses in the same way every other MMR system is based off of. It would be silly to not have a system like that. Some people are much worse than others after certain # of wins and they'd constantly lose after a certain amount of games because their wins can only go up. In any case, my post was never about which game is harder, but I definitely consider having only non "ranked" games, because people would get butthurt over ratings, a casual game system. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
So yeah, it's definitely there, if you've played LoL for a long time and you're good at it, try to play with a premade team filled with newbs and you'll see the difference in the opponent team. | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
On May 09 2012 17:27 Itsmedudeman wrote: They 100% do actually. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1009116 and other past posts, etc. They're completely separate from the ranked ELO. In any case, my post was never about which game is harder, but I definitely consider having only non "ranked" games, because people would get butthurt over ratings, a casual game system. I don't agree with having only non-ranked games. I know my goal right now is to get decent enough to either get a NADL vouch or at least set up some scrims with talented opponents. The only reason I play TLIH and pubs is to improve mechanics. I don't want to just play the game to play the game. I want to play the game to get better so I can play against tougher opponents. I think the king of quotes, Sing_Sing, said it best on his stream today when he was losing a game terribly, "I don't like games like this they are boring but also don't like stomps, they are even more boring. The best games are close games." If there is just a "normal" mode, there won't be any drive to do shit other than pub-stomp strats ect. Sure, now and then I just want to go stack a pub and crush some newbies but that really isn't where I find joy in the game. Joy is in fierce competition. Joy is in those back-and-forth games where every moment is so intense, the sweat is dripping down your face, because any mistake could cost the game. A pub will rarely give that feeling because you can just say, "Whatever, it was just a pub game." The game needs to mean something and that is what ranked games and rankings and ladders add to it. They give you a reason to fight for a comeback, they give you a reason to hit that queue button again and again. In closing, I am fine with normal games, they are fun and can be exciting or dull. What I really want is a sense of progression, a way to find more challenging opponents, the intensity that competition brings to a game. Even if it is just numbers on a scoreboard and a little prestige, it is something to play for that makes winning important. | ||
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