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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 03 2014 04:15 GMT
#95701
He's not a bad 1v1 hero but I wouldn't include him in that list. He'd probably go along with heroes like QoP and Weaver as "pretty good but have a few defined weaknesses that keep them from being that top tier of 1v1 heroes".
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 03 2014 05:39 GMT
#95702
On February 03 2014 12:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.

It's hard to designate an overall "best" laner, because within the best few, it can come down to counterpicking with regard to who beats who. Contenders include Bear, Bane, Brood, OD, SD, and Viper, who are all basically must-ban/pick status in tournament 1v1, and on an individual level it's hard to definitively call one of them better than the others depending on matchups.

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On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.

Viper is probably best solo safe lane, but he does want a solo. He's not stable enough solo or dual off-lane if the enemy trilanes.

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On February 03 2014 09:32 teddyoojo wrote:
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say

OD vs Bear, Brood, and Viper are all even or better for the other side depending on the situation (e.g. Bottle-Crow or Soul Ring allowed, OD gets crushed by Brood once Spiderlings reach critical mass because he has zero AoE to manage them).

SM isn't on that list anymore?

Interesting.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
February 03 2014 06:19 GMT
#95703
On February 03 2014 14:39 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 12:44 TheYango wrote:
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.

It's hard to designate an overall "best" laner, because within the best few, it can come down to counterpicking with regard to who beats who. Contenders include Bear, Bane, Brood, OD, SD, and Viper, who are all basically must-ban/pick status in tournament 1v1, and on an individual level it's hard to definitively call one of them better than the others depending on matchups.

On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.

Viper is probably best solo safe lane, but he does want a solo. He's not stable enough solo or dual off-lane if the enemy trilanes.

On February 03 2014 09:32 teddyoojo wrote:
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say

OD vs Bear, Brood, and Viper are all even or better for the other side depending on the situation (e.g. Bottle-Crow or Soul Ring allowed, OD gets crushed by Brood once Spiderlings reach critical mass because he has zero AoE to manage them).

SM isn't on that list anymore?

Interesting.


He probably forgot to mention it. But then again, Yangobot doesn't forget...
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 03 2014 07:19 GMT
#95704
On February 03 2014 12:13 Targe wrote:
I tried just playing and ignoring rank, I lost 300 mmr :/

Lately it's just been Lycan only for solo q, I don't see why I don't just force myself to play when I'm just idling tho

That's why it's not really a good idea to build MMR with stompy tactics. Jungle AFK split push lycan might win a ton of games without having to worry about the skill of your team... but if you raise your MMR by a lot, you'll be screwed when you want to play real heroes anyway since you've "faked" your MMR increase and you haven't actually improved to that level.

Better to just play the game the way you enjoy it, then work on improving second hand. Having a high MMR is a reward, it should not be a goal, being good at the game should be the goal.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
February 03 2014 07:25 GMT
#95705
On February 03 2014 09:39 LeLoup wrote:
I used to until I just started to only play Phoenix. Its about playing the game for fun and figuring out what is fun for you.

Finally having a favorite hero to play that can't be immediately counterpicked is refreshing to say the least.

Windranger says hi.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 07:40:14
February 03 2014 07:32 GMT
#95706
On February 03 2014 07:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
Can't you say the same about OD? Except for the TPing part, just bottle crow and take runes against the guy then it's all good?


Not really. The thing is, even though Viper is probably gonna have a little bit more damage than you, you can still farm with your skills and bottle crow the mana you lost/harass you've taken.
Against OD, though, not only you are gonna have less damage, but even less mana to use your skills.

edit: Sure, if you are in a hypothetical 1v1 situation with no runes and no bottle crow, we can all agree that Viper is one of the best, but a situation like this never happens so I wouldn't consider Viper a "nightmare" in the laning stage.
Good ? Yes. Nightmare ? No.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
February 03 2014 07:54 GMT
#95707
God this game turns me into a foaming at the mouth pants on head retarded rager, I really need to figure out how to play for fun and stop being a douche to everyone when they don't play good.

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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 03 2014 08:33 GMT
#95708
I love playing spectre. It's so fun to realize you have 33 assists at the end of the game
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
February 03 2014 08:43 GMT
#95709
synderen joining dotacinema and casting with sunsfan!
the dotacinema tournament debut is awesome too since its on captains draft lol
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
February 03 2014 08:50 GMT
#95710
Sunsfan returns to casting? I don't remember him casting games. :o
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
February 03 2014 08:51 GMT
#95711
me too. it should be a tricast with reaves.
all reaves just have to do are the hero voices
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 03 2014 08:54 GMT
#95712
I think a tourney with top teams playing Ability Draft would be hilarious. Get all the top teams like Alliance, DK, Na`Vi, etc together for a weekend to play Ability Draft, rofl.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
February 03 2014 08:56 GMT
#95713
I would imagine the best place to do it would be none other than the international. Kind of have an "all-stars" esque match in Ability Draft for a day, maybe replacing or adding on top of the one v one mid tournament and all stars thing.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
February 03 2014 08:57 GMT
#95714
armlet bug with tb, demons stream, when you make a replica it gives the illusion more hp than you have
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 03 2014 08:57 GMT
#95715
On February 03 2014 17:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
I would imagine the best place to do it would be none other than the international. Kind of have an "all-stars" esque match in Ability Draft for a day, maybe replacing or adding on top of the one v one mid tournament and all stars thing.

I think that would be fun. They could do so much trash talk during the draft, it would be amazing. It could be during the all-stars match imo.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
February 03 2014 09:01 GMT
#95716
On February 03 2014 17:57 run.at.me wrote:
armlet bug with tb, demons stream, when you make a replica it gives the illusion more hp than you have

not a bug.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 03 2014 09:04 GMT
#95717
On February 03 2014 17:57 run.at.me wrote:
armlet bug with tb, demons stream, when you make a replica it gives the illusion more hp than you have

It's supposed to be like that, armlet affects illusions and they keep the HP gain even if you toggle it off after spawning them. This is why you always have to toggle it on as Chaos Knight before ulti.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
February 03 2014 09:08 GMT
#95718
On February 03 2014 18:04 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 17:57 run.at.me wrote:
armlet bug with tb, demons stream, when you make a replica it gives the illusion more hp than you have

It's supposed to be like that, armlet affects illusions and they keep the HP gain even if you toggle it off after spawning them. This is why you always have to toggle it on as Chaos Knight before ulti.


no, his illusions are spawning with MORE than his armlet toggled on (i.e with armlet toggled on, he has 200 hp, uses illusion spell, illusion has 400 hp)

i know how armlet works and using it with illusion spells like phantasm etc, this is a bug
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
February 03 2014 09:10 GMT
#95719
Wow how could i have missed the dota 2 reporter on youtube until now? This is so great, I can't believe it.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 03 2014 09:11 GMT
#95720
On February 03 2014 18:08 run.at.me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 18:04 Tobberoth wrote:
On February 03 2014 17:57 run.at.me wrote:
armlet bug with tb, demons stream, when you make a replica it gives the illusion more hp than you have

It's supposed to be like that, armlet affects illusions and they keep the HP gain even if you toggle it off after spawning them. This is why you always have to toggle it on as Chaos Knight before ulti.


no, his illusions are spawning with MORE than his armlet toggled on (i.e with armlet toggled on, he has 200 hp, uses illusion spell, illusion has 400 hp)

i know how armlet works and using it with illusion spells like phantasm etc, this is a bug

Rofl, armlet just went from shit tier to awesome tier on TB, I guess it will be fixed more or less immediately though.
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