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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 23:18:47
February 02 2014 23:18 GMT
#95681
On February 03 2014 08:12 trifecta wrote:
new drow silence is pretty legit


You can do your homework or laundry and still be back vefore timer runs out
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 02 2014 23:27 GMT
#95682
Your standards for good laners have to be pretty damn high, if you don't consider Viper one of the best. :D
super gg
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
February 02 2014 23:53 GMT
#95683
OD is probably the best overall laner.
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
February 02 2014 23:58 GMT
#95684
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.


in mid only right? i feel he's terrible in the side lanes. i really like laning with leshrac. he has long range, fast movement without boots and very strong killing spells.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
February 03 2014 00:22 GMT
#95685
On February 03 2014 08:58 Tsutchie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.


in mid only right? i feel he's terrible in the side lanes. i really like laning with leshrac. he has long range, fast movement without boots and very strong killing spells.

eh I suppose, safe lane OD is not a bad option either especially if you're going dodging an uncomfortable match up which is rare for the hero.i'm not calling od the most versatile laner but you pick him, place him in a lane and more often than not does his job.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 03 2014 00:32 GMT
#95686
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2014 00:34 GMT
#95687
why do i have so much ladder fear in this game, jesus its not like my mmr is respectable anyways
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
February 03 2014 00:37 GMT
#95688
On February 03 2014 09:34 Targe wrote:
why do i have so much ladder fear in this game, jesus its not like my mmr is respectable anyways


Same, but I'm feeling better lately when I started to not care as much. Ladder fear = lose easily.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 03 2014 00:39 GMT
#95689
I used to until I just started to only play Phoenix. Its about playing the game for fun and figuring out what is fun for you.

Finally having a favorite hero to play that can't be immediately counterpicked is refreshing to say the least.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
February 03 2014 00:57 GMT
#95690
On February 03 2014 09:34 Targe wrote:
why do i have so much ladder fear in this game, jesus its not like my mmr is respectable anyways

Cause you fear sliding further into the dark abyss
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
February 03 2014 01:31 GMT
#95691
On February 03 2014 09:39 LeLoup wrote:
I used to until I just started to only play Phoenix. Its about playing the game for fun and figuring out what is fun for you.

Finally having a favorite hero to play that can't be immediately counterpicked is refreshing to say the least.


never played phoenix before. quit dota 1 long before he came out. amazing hero. really fun to play, strong 4 actives.. hooray
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 03 2014 02:19 GMT
#95692
eesama sinned today, he solod rosh and dropped his quelling blade on the ground instead of selling it
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2014 03:13 GMT
#95693
I tried just playing and ignoring rank, I lost 300 mmr :/

Lately it's just been Lycan only for solo q, I don't see why I don't just force myself to play when I'm just idling tho
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
February 03 2014 03:16 GMT
#95694
i only played dota over the weekend. gained 400 mmr. lost 100 in my last 4 games in
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
February 03 2014 03:17 GMT
#95695
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
February 03 2014 03:20 GMT
#95696
I was having some anxiety, but that was before I resigned myself to picking Drow every game and forcing myself into mid by any means available. I play her well, and people at 2600 MMR have no idea what counterpicking is. I played against a Terrorblade mid last game for fucks sake. I demolished him 3 times only to have a Zeus who ran up to high ground to have a look see instead of playing from across the river. Destroyed him too. I hate playing her because she's so easy and she is very good at split pushing against bad teams. And I despise rat dota. But, it's unfortunately an easy way to (almost) guarantee victory for me. I think I'm like 9-2 in the last ~3 days. Oh well. I'll use new heroes and play more captain's mode when I'm higher up I guess.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
February 03 2014 03:21 GMT
#95697
On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.


I play him mid sometimes and you're right. He's way better lurking around and picking people off after a few levels.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 03:51:07
February 03 2014 03:44 GMT
#95698
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.

It's hard to designate an overall "best" laner, because within the best few, it can come down to counterpicking with regard to who beats who. Contenders include Bear, Bane, Brood, OD, SD, and Viper, who are all basically must-ban/pick status in tournament 1v1, and on an individual level it's hard to definitively call one of them better than the others depending on matchups.

On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.

Viper is probably best solo safe lane, but he does want a solo. He's not stable enough solo or dual off-lane if the enemy trilanes.

On February 03 2014 09:32 teddyoojo wrote:
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say

OD vs Bear, Brood, and Viper are all even or better for the other side depending on the situation (e.g. Bottle-Crow or Soul Ring allowed, OD gets crushed by Brood once Spiderlings reach critical mass because he has zero AoE to manage them).
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 03 2014 03:59 GMT
#95699
On February 03 2014 12:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.

It's hard to designate an overall "best" laner, because within the best few, it can come down to counterpicking with regard to who beats who. Contenders include Bear, Bane, Brood, OD, SD, and Viper, who are all basically must-ban/pick status in tournament 1v1, and on an individual level it's hard to definitively call one of them better than the others depending on matchups.

Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.

Viper is probably best solo safe lane, but he does want a solo. He's not stable enough solo or dual off-lane if the enemy trilanes.

Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 09:32 teddyoojo wrote:
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say

OD vs Bear, Brood, and Viper are all even or better for the other side depending on the situation (e.g. Bottle-Crow or Soul Ring allowed, OD gets crushed by Brood once Spiderlings reach critical mass because he has zero AoE to manage them).


I get the feeling you can add Phoenix to that list. Fire Spirits is just so strong in every instance that I have a hard time believing that he wouldnt at least go even against a large number of heroes.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 03 2014 04:04 GMT
#95700
On February 03 2014 12:59 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 12:44 TheYango wrote:
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.

It's hard to designate an overall "best" laner, because within the best few, it can come down to counterpicking with regard to who beats who. Contenders include Bear, Bane, Brood, OD, SD, and Viper, who are all basically must-ban/pick status in tournament 1v1, and on an individual level it's hard to definitively call one of them better than the others depending on matchups.

On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.

Viper is probably best solo safe lane, but he does want a solo. He's not stable enough solo or dual off-lane if the enemy trilanes.

On February 03 2014 09:32 teddyoojo wrote:
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say

OD vs Bear, Brood, and Viper are all even or better for the other side depending on the situation (e.g. Bottle-Crow or Soul Ring allowed, OD gets crushed by Brood once Spiderlings reach critical mass because he has zero AoE to manage them).


I get the feeling you can add Phoenix to that list. Fire Spirits is just so strong in every instance that I have a hard time believing that he wouldnt at least go even against a large number of heroes.


His base stats are very poor; I doubt he'd do very well in 1v1.
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