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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
February 03 2014 09:14 GMT
#95721
Im watching Demons stream right now and i still dont understand how this is a bug. His illusion has the same maximum HP as the main hero does with armlet toggled on.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
February 03 2014 09:23 GMT
#95722
On February 03 2014 18:14 Kuroeeah wrote:
Im watching Demons stream right now and i still dont understand how this is a bug. His illusion has the same maximum HP as the main hero does with armlet toggled on.



test it in a lobby game and come back with your findings
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
February 03 2014 09:52 GMT
#95723
On February 03 2014 18:23 run.at.me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 18:14 Kuroeeah wrote:
Im watching Demons stream right now and i still dont understand how this is a bug. His illusion has the same maximum HP as the main hero does with armlet toggled on.



test it in a lobby game and come back with your findings


I just did, don't see any bug.

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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 11:06:29
February 03 2014 11:05 GMT
#95724
armlet active increases str stat

illusions inherit stats
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 03 2014 11:33 GMT
#95725
On February 03 2014 15:19 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 14:39 Comeh wrote:
On February 03 2014 12:44 TheYango wrote:
On February 03 2014 08:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
OD is probably the best overall laner.

It's hard to designate an overall "best" laner, because within the best few, it can come down to counterpicking with regard to who beats who. Contenders include Bear, Bane, Brood, OD, SD, and Viper, who are all basically must-ban/pick status in tournament 1v1, and on an individual level it's hard to definitively call one of them better than the others depending on matchups.

On February 03 2014 12:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Is Viper mid still a thing? Viper mid always feels like a waste, the hero doesn't need a lot of levels i'd rather have viper solo-offlane or in a duo-lane with a support that has a good disable, he has a lot of early kill potential by putting him mid that kinda goes to waste.

Viper is probably best solo safe lane, but he does want a solo. He's not stable enough solo or dual off-lane if the enemy trilanes.

On February 03 2014 09:32 teddyoojo wrote:
well od basically beats everyone except razor so i guess its a fair thing to say

OD vs Bear, Brood, and Viper are all even or better for the other side depending on the situation (e.g. Bottle-Crow or Soul Ring allowed, OD gets crushed by Brood once Spiderlings reach critical mass because he has zero AoE to manage them).

SM isn't on that list anymore?

Interesting.


He probably forgot to mention it. But then again, Yangobot doesn't forget...

I forgot. Knew I left out someone by count.
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run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
February 03 2014 12:24 GMT
#95726
On February 03 2014 18:52 Jaeger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 18:23 run.at.me wrote:
On February 03 2014 18:14 Kuroeeah wrote:
Im watching Demons stream right now and i still dont understand how this is a bug. His illusion has the same maximum HP as the main hero does with armlet toggled on.



test it in a lobby game and come back with your findings


I just did, don't see any bug.

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no, you're doing it wrong- you have max HP already so the illusion can't possibly gain more than max hp

- get health to 200 (or noticeably low)
- activate armlet
- create illusion
- illusion will have more HP than you when casted the illusion spell.

Not game breaking, your illusion just gets a free ~250 hp (unless it's % based but can't confirm)

I'd do it myself but have deleted dota until feb 10th coz exams

Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2014 13:02 GMT
#95727
On February 03 2014 16:19 Tobberoth wrote:
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On February 03 2014 12:13 Targe wrote:
I tried just playing and ignoring rank, I lost 300 mmr :/

Lately it's just been Lycan only for solo q, I don't see why I don't just force myself to play when I'm just idling tho

That's why it's not really a good idea to build MMR with stompy tactics. Jungle AFK split push lycan might win a ton of games without having to worry about the skill of your team... but if you raise your MMR by a lot, you'll be screwed when you want to play real heroes anyway since you've "faked" your MMR increase and you haven't actually improved to that level.

Better to just play the game the way you enjoy it, then work on improving second hand. Having a high MMR is a reward, it should not be a goal, being good at the game should be the goal.

yes cos i buffed my placement mmr with solo lycan games
-______-
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 03 2014 14:09 GMT
#95728
On February 03 2014 22:02 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 16:19 Tobberoth wrote:
On February 03 2014 12:13 Targe wrote:
I tried just playing and ignoring rank, I lost 300 mmr :/

Lately it's just been Lycan only for solo q, I don't see why I don't just force myself to play when I'm just idling tho

That's why it's not really a good idea to build MMR with stompy tactics. Jungle AFK split push lycan might win a ton of games without having to worry about the skill of your team... but if you raise your MMR by a lot, you'll be screwed when you want to play real heroes anyway since you've "faked" your MMR increase and you haven't actually improved to that level.

Better to just play the game the way you enjoy it, then work on improving second hand. Having a high MMR is a reward, it should not be a goal, being good at the game should be the goal.

yes cos i buffed my placement mmr with solo lycan games
-______-

The way you wrote your post made it sound like it, I assumed you had used Kwarks solo lycan build, then lost MMR when you stopped caring and played other heroes. Sorry if my assumption somehow offended you.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
February 03 2014 14:15 GMT
#95729
Targe is just tsundere
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 03 2014 14:19 GMT
#95730
did u kno that meepo manta illusions have more hp than normal meepo
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2014 14:20 GMT
#95731
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 03 2014 14:22 GMT
#95732
On February 03 2014 23:20 Targe wrote:
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.

we all know u 6pooled ur way to 50% dont try to hide it
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 14:24:12
February 03 2014 14:23 GMT
#95733
On February 03 2014 23:20 Targe wrote:
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.

I'd say that's a pretty fitting comparison, yeah, doesn't mean it's condescending. It's meant to help cheesing sc2 players who get frustrated when they can't continue improving because their MMR is inflated.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2014 14:27 GMT
#95734
On February 03 2014 23:22 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:20 Targe wrote:
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.

we all know u 6pooled ur way to 50% dont try to hide it

can u see my wraith icon? :p

I aggressive 2 raxed MKP style TvP every game but other than that no cheese

Tobberoth the lycan thing is an experiment to see what happens if I boost my mmr significantly, its similar to other people's plan of levelling me or kollin a smurf to 4k then seeing what happens after we're given control.

11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 03 2014 14:32 GMT
#95735
i was just thinking, i signed up for teamliquid about 2 1/2 years ago, i tried to look for my very first post (which probably wouldve been something very very important, something important enough to make me sign up) but i dont think theres a way for me to find out
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 03 2014 14:35 GMT
#95736
On February 03 2014 23:27 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:20 Targe wrote:
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.

we all know u 6pooled ur way to 50% dont try to hide it

can u see my wraith icon? :p

I aggressive 2 raxed MKP style TvP every game but other than that no cheese

Tobberoth the lycan thing is an experiment to see what happens if I boost my mmr significantly, its similar to other people's plan of levelling me or kollin a smurf to 4k then seeing what happens after we're given control.


If anyone actually does that powerleveling, you should stream when you start playing on it, would actually be really interesting to watch.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
February 03 2014 14:51 GMT
#95737
On February 03 2014 23:27 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:20 Targe wrote:
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.

we all know u 6pooled ur way to 50% dont try to hide it

can u see my wraith icon? :p

I aggressive 2 raxed MKP style TvP every game but other than that no cheese

Tobberoth the lycan thing is an experiment to see what happens if I boost my mmr significantly, its similar to other people's plan of levelling me or kollin a smurf to 4k then seeing what happens after we're given control.


Ooh I might try to take you up on this offer.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 03 2014 15:10 GMT
#95738
On February 03 2014 23:35 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:27 Targe wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:20 Targe wrote:
You wrote it as if you were on some high horse similar to how macro players write about cheese in the sc2 forums.

we all know u 6pooled ur way to 50% dont try to hide it

can u see my wraith icon? :p

I aggressive 2 raxed MKP style TvP every game but other than that no cheese

Tobberoth the lycan thing is an experiment to see what happens if I boost my mmr significantly, its similar to other people's plan of levelling me or kollin a smurf to 4k then seeing what happens after we're given control.


If anyone actually does that powerleveling, you should stream when you start playing on it, would actually be really interesting to watch.

will do
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
February 03 2014 15:11 GMT
#95739
How viable do y'all think Ember Spirit basher is? Adds decent dmg, is cheap, and you have an aoe bash chance every 6 seconds. I haven't really tried it yet on him because I prefer deso -> crit but was thinking that basher might be really useful in games where you need a little more lockdown.
#1 Flash Fan
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 03 2014 15:16 GMT
#95740
On February 03 2014 05:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 04:25 synapse wrote:
what do you guys think about buffing the ranged stats on stuff like basher/abyssal and stout/vanguard? obv having the same stats as for melee would be dumb, but right now NOBODY buys them on ranged heroes... maybe 15% stun chance instead of 10%? something like that

That sort of goes against the express purpose of the items.

The whole function of Stout Shield is to help close the gap in laning strength between ranged and melee because of how fundamentally being ranged is such an enormous advantage in lane. That's WHY Melee stout is so much better.

Also, this discussion on Vlad's vs. Blink is stupid. There are games where the correct play is to farm. There are games where the correct play is to go kill people. The item choice corresponds to these, and it's utterly pointless to argue which is better or worse in a vacuum because without the context of a game, both are acceptable first items.

not saying to have them be the same stats, maybe like 12 or 13 damage block instead of 10. ranged would never buy stout at 10 dmg block, and it would obviously be broken at 20 dmg block, there has to be a middle ground where it's situationally good right?
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