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On May 01 2012 00:09 flamewheel wrote:
Priestess is just... a subpar hero. She fit the need for a right-clicking hero with pushing/ganking/mobility capabilities. Now there are just much better heroes in the pool.
(I just don't like Potm competitively anymore).
this, everything she does is subpar, especially her laning, and her ganking, unless you land good arrows (3+ seconds). which is plain unreliable.
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
cus it feels like a LONG time since i saw potm, aL picked it up against mith-trust right now (and doing decently with potm), but i see her being not picked in favor of more push/gank heroes... it's not like potm doesnt have pushing power though? maybe just not as strong?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
needs a lot of items do actually do some damage in the lategame.
Manta+atleast 1 damage item pretty much, where she is outshined by others who can deal much more damage.
More then often she will also need a BKB.
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On May 01 2012 00:14 konadora wrote:
cus it feels like a LONG time since i saw potm, aL picked it up against mith-trust right now (and doing decently with potm), but i see her being not picked in favor of more push/gank heroes... it's not like potm doesnt have pushing power though? maybe just not as strong?
she's mostly picked because she can carry a little in late game and has pretty good nukes along with leap, the problem is after she uses her 2 nukes if she isnt well farmed she doesnt do that much
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
ahh okay, then what are better alternatives? i see a lot of riki
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Well, I can agree with a lot of what has been stated above. I haven't personally, but has anyone explored what else POTM can do. I was thinking in terms of maybe a semi like support role. WR is good to get Mek and etc. How well can potm perform with a Mek or maybe grab a Orchid? Can she perform as good with a sheep maybe then a daedlus or MKb?
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On May 01 2012 00:24 konadora wrote:
ahh okay, then what are better alternatives? i see a lot of riki
I think Riki is just a phase. Slardar is really underestimated, he will come out more now. I also mean in more of a damage role instead of intiate. I want to see more of the whole FnaticMSI Slardar Dazzle lane. I remember one tournement Loda played Slardar and kebap played dazzle the entire tourney.
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On May 01 2012 00:24 konadora wrote:
ahh okay, then what are better alternatives? i see a lot of riki
nuke wise, qop, storm, lina (now popular in chinese scene), batrider, tc,
carry wise, morphling, dk, slardar, even bounty hunter, ck, TB(???)
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I don't think Mirana is necessarily a bad hero, but the fact that her skill set and mediocre stat gain makes for a rather unreliable right clicker in the late game compared to some other Gankers that evolve into semi carry late game. Her skill set is great for map control, helping gank, rune control etc (even when missing arrows), but simply, she needs way too much farm to be effective in the later mid game, which means time she won't be ganking.
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on PoTM, i used to run her as a roamer more than a farm carry. Max out arrow before starfall for dmg/mana cost early game and combine with some sort of disable (rashta mid, VS/ES side lane) and you got yourself an easy kill. Running PoTM as a farming semi carry is just a huge huge investment since it requires a ton of items just to survive teamfight. Viper/weaver could be a much better replacement in that case imo.
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United States47024 Posts
On May 01 2012 02:09 NB wrote:
on PoTM, i used to run her as a roamer more than a farm carry. Max out arrow before starfall for dmg/mana cost early game and combine with some sort of disable (rashta mid, VS/ES side lane) and you got yourself an easy kill. Running PoTM as a farming semi carry is just a huge huge investment since it requires a ton of items just to survive teamfight. Viper/weaver could be a much better replacement in that case imo.
PotM as a roamer is very hit or miss. While there's a good argument for it being the most effective way to play her, the fact that she really only has a single unreliable disable, coupled with her level- and item-dependence midgame means that your roaming has to have good effectiveness to make it worthwhile (compared to other roamers that are either more reliable or whose development is more easily recoverable if ganks fail). This means that in a competitive setting, a) teams need to put a significant amount of effort into picking teams that can help set up PotM's ganks, and b) the enemy team still has a lot of room to play very carefully knowing that if PotM doesn't make anything happen, it will be very hard for her to recover.
She has usefulness, but I think she's quite situational given the number of factors that are needed to maximize her effectiveness.
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Morphling is definitely the strongest ranged carry in the game right now IMO
morphling's old weaknesses of taking too long to become powerful has largely been ameliorated by the hilarious buffs combining for +11agi +6str as well as halving the cd on adaptive strike. This combined with the new ability to go aquila + traq boots to get what's essentially perseverance level regen for 1k less opens him up a lot midgame since you no longer have to go null stone first to sustain farm, with those two items you'll outlane almost anything 1v1 and can get a much more coherent midgame, whether it be with fast manta, bkb, or eblade by 25 at latest
also, potm sucks, WR is superior in every way, even if u want to go some silly carry WR is better due to windwalk and base 1.5 attack
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In terms of laning Mirana always goes in the hard lane, and WR is way better than her at it, and has more utility late game with the 8 second cooldown 4 second stun if it lands, potentially on two heroes. WR would be the first hero you would try to replace Mirana with, but like, Leshrac serves better purpose too, and QoP on the side lane, etc.
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On May 01 2012 02:36 Zlasher wrote:
In terms of laning Mirana always goes in the hard lane, and WR is way better than her at it, and has more utility late game with the 8 second cooldown 4 second stun if it lands, potentially on two heroes. WR would be the first hero you would try to replace Mirana with, but like, Leshrac serves better purpose too, and QoP on the side lane, etc.
Leshrac is much different then Potm.
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On May 01 2012 02:20 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 02:09 NB wrote:
on PoTM, i used to run her as a roamer more than a farm carry. Max out arrow before starfall for dmg/mana cost early game and combine with some sort of disable (rashta mid, VS/ES side lane) and you got yourself an easy kill. Running PoTM as a farming semi carry is just a huge huge investment since it requires a ton of items just to survive teamfight. Viper/weaver could be a much better replacement in that case imo. PotM as a roamer is very hit or miss. While there's a good argument for it being the most effective way to play her, the fact that she really only has a single unreliable disable, coupled with her level- and item-dependence midgame means that your roaming has to have good effectiveness to make it worthwhile (compared to other roamers that are either more reliable or whose development is more easily recoverable if ganks fail). This means that in a competitive setting, a) teams need to put a significant amount of effort into picking teams that can help set up PotM's ganks, and b) the enemy team still has a lot of room to play very carefully knowing that if PotM doesn't make anything happen, it will be very hard for her to recover. She has usefulness, but I think she's quite situational given the number of factors that are needed to maximize her effectiveness.
actually i always try to secure a long period disabler when i have potm solo. something like a SD/OD solo mid and ES/VS side lane is perfect for the job. The only problem with this type of play is you need to secure the warding problem from level 1 so it limit you to play safe guard so your long lane often lost... but i do see your point
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On May 01 2012 02:36 Zlasher wrote:
In terms of laning Mirana always goes in the hard lane, and WR is way better than her at it, and has more utility late game with the 8 second cooldown 4 second stun if it lands, potentially on two heroes. WR would be the first hero you would try to replace Mirana with, but like, Leshrac serves better purpose too, and QoP on the side lane, etc.
actually now that you mention it, WR is like the better potm
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
also i just had the weirdest game of my life
on single draft, i randomed skele king, someone on my team had ursa. tried lvl 1 rosh, ursa didnt know how, failed. so behind on exp, i went btm, ursa went top. at bottom lane, i died to drow cm, got pissed cus warlock couldnt support and pull was blocked (as well as us having no courier or wards) so i went jungle and farmed, maxing aura and crit first
18 mins into the game, we're like 15+ kills behind, but we just keep farming. with 10 more mins and taking the rosh, we actually manage to get ahead lol and end game, we were 15+ kills ahead, and i had a rapier lawl.
TLDR: jungling skeleton king is viable
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It's like Naix if you skill level Vamp aura at level 1, just slower.
also
HELLO I AM WEHSING ''MOUZ SINGSING'' YUEN AND I FIGHT BULLS AS A MATADOR FOR A LIVING AND AM COMMUNIST.
FAVOURITE DISH: BOILED CAT.
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Skeleton King always needs a rapier.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:06 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 02:36 Zlasher wrote:
In terms of laning Mirana always goes in the hard lane, and WR is way better than her at it, and has more utility late game with the 8 second cooldown 4 second stun if it lands, potentially on two heroes. WR would be the first hero you would try to replace Mirana with, but like, Leshrac serves better purpose too, and QoP on the side lane, etc. actually now that you mention it, WR is like the better potm
My friend wrote an old DC article talking about how WR basically forced Potm into retirement. Chicks on tigers can't beat barefooted archers.
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