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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
November 10 2013 20:28 GMT
#86321
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 10 2013 20:32 GMT
#86322
On November 11 2013 05:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.

I have a K-god SF win rate on my smurf, u sayin im no programer?
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
November 10 2013 20:51 GMT
#86323
On November 11 2013 05:32 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 05:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.

I have a K-god SF win rate on my smurf, u sayin im no programer?

Try getting that winrate somewhere which isn't the normal bracket

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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
November 10 2013 20:52 GMT
#86324
On November 11 2013 05:51 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 05:32 Targe wrote:
On November 11 2013 05:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.

I have a K-god SF win rate on my smurf, u sayin im no programer?

Try getting that winrate somewhere which isn't the normal bracket


And that's a reason why win rate doesn't mean anything on its own.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 20:59:46
November 10 2013 20:57 GMT
#86325
We regret to announce that we have decided to remove Steven 'Korok' Ashworth from our DotA 2 roster with immediate effect. We will be looking for a new DotA 2 player to secure our attendance at MLG Columbus.

A statement will follow in the next few minutes.

"With Korok busy with school and regrettably missing the trip to Korea, he will be leaving the team. He's still a prolific player and I'll miss him as a person, but unforunately he will no longer be part of the team and I wish him the best of luck in whatever he pursues in the future."



http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/DotA-2/4193/Korok-removed-from-Team-Dignitas-DotA-2/[
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 21:00:21
November 10 2013 21:00 GMT
#86326
Huh.

I feel like something we didn't hear about happened.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 21:01:07
November 10 2013 21:00 GMT
#86327
just saw that. wat

/e

"With Korok busy with school and regrettably missing the trip to Korea, he will be leaving the team. He's still a prolific player and I'll miss him as a person, but unforunately he will no longer be part of the team and I wish him the best of luck in whatever he pursues in the future."
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
November 10 2013 21:01 GMT
#86328
Updated with statement.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 10 2013 21:02 GMT
#86329
On November 11 2013 05:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.

Yeah true, but it depends on the MM system the game is running though.
- If the game uses system, where it tries to guess your MMR after games and match you with people that are higher than your rank, then sure. If you're plat and have sub-50% against diamond players, then you're still better than a plat that have over 50% winrate against gold players.
- If the system matchs you with people at your rank, then there's nothing to be proud of that sub-50% winrate.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
November 10 2013 21:09 GMT
#86330
On November 11 2013 06:02 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 05:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.

Yeah true, but it depends on the MM system the game is running though.
- If the game uses system, where it tries to guess your MMR after games and match you with people that are higher than your rank, then sure. If you're plat and have sub-50% against diamond players, then you're still better than a plat that have over 50% winrate against gold players.
- If the system matchs you with people at your rank, then there's nothing to be proud of that sub-50% winrate.

There's just too many factors involved, and that's why Firebolt is right in that winrate doesn't matter much on its own. But in certain situations it can matter a bit, although there are still too many variables.
Administrator
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 10 2013 21:10 GMT
#86331
all this still wont sway me from my quest for 50%
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
November 10 2013 21:43 GMT
#86332
On November 11 2013 06:09 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 06:02 canikizu wrote:
On November 11 2013 05:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Well it does and it doesn't, right. Truly good players will have at least 55% or higher if they don't always stack, and that's just a fact (look at the list of pro players on DB). But that doesn't mean having 50% or less makes you bad. Same as having 70%, it doesn't mean you're a progamer.

Yeah true, but it depends on the MM system the game is running though.
- If the game uses system, where it tries to guess your MMR after games and match you with people that are higher than your rank, then sure. If you're plat and have sub-50% against diamond players, then you're still better than a plat that have over 50% winrate against gold players.
- If the system matchs you with people at your rank, then there's nothing to be proud of that sub-50% winrate.

There's just too many factors involved, and that's why Firebolt is right in that winrate doesn't matter much on its own. But in certain situations it can matter a bit, although there are still too many variables.


Which is why its stupid that some inhouse leagues have so much focus on win% *cough tl cough*
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
November 10 2013 21:49 GMT
#86333
Wait what since when did TLIH place any emphasis on winrate percentages?
Moderator
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 21:58:14
November 10 2013 21:57 GMT
#86334
On November 11 2013 06:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Wait what since when did TLIH place any emphasis on winrate percentages?


I haven't checked in a while because I was so annoyed at the time. So if its changed, then its all well. But at the time there was a requirement at 55% winratio and most games in very high to get in. Which is stupid to say the least.
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 22:01:46
November 10 2013 21:59 GMT
#86335
I guess people assume that your legendary winrate percentages mean people pay attention to and care about everyone else's?

-edit- whoa. That seems like an insane requirement. I wonder how many people are above 55%, in very high, and affiliated with TL. It seems like TLIH's have a hard enough time getting a game going with the requirements being "sign up for it".
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
DeltaX
Profile Joined August 2011
United States287 Posts
November 10 2013 21:59 GMT
#86336
I thought it was the invite IXDL thing that wanted 55% winrate. The TL one has always been just show up and play.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
November 10 2013 22:00 GMT
#86337
On November 11 2013 06:57 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 06:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Wait what since when did TLIH place any emphasis on winrate percentages?


I haven't checked in a while because I was so annoyed at the time. So if its changed, then its all well. But at the time there was a requirement at 55% winratio and most games in very high to get in. Which is stupid to say the least.

that's NEL
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
November 10 2013 22:07 GMT
#86338
wait is NEL only 55%? I remember seeing that EEL is 65
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
November 10 2013 22:08 GMT
#86339
On November 11 2013 06:57 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 06:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Wait what since when did TLIH place any emphasis on winrate percentages?


I haven't checked in a while because I was so annoyed at the time. So if its changed, then its all well. But at the time there was a requirement at 55% winratio and most games in very high to get in. Which is stupid to say the least.

We have one rule - don't be a dick. We will not hesitate to kick you.

There is no skill prerequirement.


There has never been a winrate prerequirement.
Moderator
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 10 2013 22:13 GMT
#86340
I'm in TLIH guys, there is no requirement
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
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