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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:36:48
November 08 2013 23:33 GMT
#86041
I'm most curious what the hots business model is going to be. I think it's definitely going to free to play, I can't see the game being successful as a pay to play. Do you people think they're going to be selling heroes? Is there going to be a progression system like in lol with the runes and stuff? Or are they going to just stick to cosmetics?

Kind of strange that they take items, gold and exp away from the game, but still describe some heroes as supports.

Also, another company makes a game of the genre. Invents it's own term for it again. :D Jesus, this is just hilarious.
super gg
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
November 08 2013 23:34 GMT
#86042
On November 09 2013 08:32 Animzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 08:12 cecek wrote:
Is there a VOD of the hots segment somewhere?

No items, no lasthitting AND globally shared exp gain, that's wild. I feel like just one of those aspects would've made the game much more casual (not meaning that in a bad way), all three at the same time sounds insane. It seems like they basically took the whole economy away from the genre.


Where did you get this info?

Apparently Purge played 5 games and said that. Someone quoted it here like 2/3 pages ago.
super gg
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:40:43
November 08 2013 23:37 GMT
#86043
On November 09 2013 08:33 cecek wrote:
Kind of strange that they take items, gold and exp away from the game, but still describe some heroes as supports.

Why is that strange? Their definition of "support" probably falls in line with the healer classes in WoW arena--heroes with defensive/supportive abilities and disables not meant to be primary damage dealers in fights.

EDIT: In fact, to someone who's not familiar with the genre and the low-farm implications of the word "support" in LoL/DotA/HoN, this understanding of the term is actually probably more intuitive.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:43:24
November 08 2013 23:39 GMT
#86044
Even if you take gold/exp away from Dota and you'd balance that out by having heroes gain more stats naturally you'd have supports and carries. Supports in that sense are more commonly referred to as utility heroes in Dota though.

It's obviously not as deep of a system but you're still fulfilling similar roles depending on if the abilities are balanced as such.

It can certainly work. Although as Purge pointed out after playing a couple of games it sort of brings up issues with things like comebacks. Without this really asymmetric character growth which Dota has and the ability to focus attention on specific heroes when they are needed it makes comebacks very difficult.
Once you Goblak...
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
November 08 2013 23:40 GMT
#86045
On November 09 2013 08:32 Darkren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 08:22 Kishin2 wrote:
Is the TL Dota 2 GD thread strictly for the TL Dota 2 community to discuss Dota 2 related topics? Or is the TL Dota 2 GD thread to discuss topics from the perspective of the TL Dota 2 community?

The top of the thread states:
"Do not post off-topic pictures and videos here. Use the pictures thread and video thread. QQ also belongs in the QQ Thread. Don't forget the Good moments and Your best moments threads."
There's no mention of off-topic discussion being restricted, but specifically pictures and videos.


When they makes rules they expect the community to have a brain and not be retarded morons who can only read rules and not draw rationnal statements

heroes of storm is a blizzard moba, that is unveiled at blizzcon

We have a blizzcon thread

We have a summary of day 1 blizzcon

We have a heroes of the storm thread

How do you manage to click on dota 2 general discussion to ask a question about another game that is already being covered in atlest 3 threads??????????

I mean i guess we could talk about Paris Hilton, because if she starts playing dota that would be HOT



What? Maybe I want to know the opinion of the community who play Dota on something?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:42:55
November 08 2013 23:42 GMT
#86046
I consider HotS on-topic enough given the relevance of the game to others in the genre. It makes sense to discuss the game in a context where others in the discussion will be familiar with the genre, compared to the Blizzcon thread.

Conan O'Brien casting WoW is a different story.
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:45:07
November 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#86047
Can someone translate the gist of this video?



teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
November 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#86048
On November 09 2013 08:42 TheYango wrote:
I consider HotS on-topic enough given the relevance of the game to others in the genre. It makes sense to discuss the game in a context where others in the discussion will be familiar with the genre, compared to the Blizzcon thread.

Conan O'Brien casting WoW is a different story.
It was like a 5 minute thing, most people wouldn't have seen it otherwise, they obviously found it funny. Then when it's over everyone moves on to something else, I don't see the point of being salty about it.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
November 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#86049
What I mean is, I think they took all the stuff (items, lasthits, etc.) away, because it makes the game seem more complex and harder to get into. (that might be wrong, it's just my assumption) And they keep the hero "roles" in. I mean, if I wanted to make the dota genre more casual friendly, role differentiation would be one of the first things out. Especially before items and the gold system altogether.

I dunno if that actually makes sense.
super gg
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
November 08 2013 23:45 GMT
#86050
On November 09 2013 08:44 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 08:42 TheYango wrote:
I consider HotS on-topic enough given the relevance of the game to others in the genre. It makes sense to discuss the game in a context where others in the discussion will be familiar with the genre, compared to the Blizzcon thread.

Conan O'Brien casting WoW is a different story.
It was like a 5 minute thing, most people wouldn't have seen it otherwise, they obviously found it funny. Then when it's over everyone moves on to something else, I don't see the point of being salty about it.



just wait for conan to make his appearance on the HOTS panel and ohhhhhhhhh boy it will be our time to talk all about how great conan is.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:46:14
November 08 2013 23:45 GMT
#86051
On November 09 2013 08:44 cecek wrote:
What I mean is, I think they took all the stuff (items, lasthits, etc.) away, because it makes the game seem more complex and harder to get into. (that might be wrong, it's just my assumption) And they keep the hero "roles" in. I mean, if I wanted to make the dota genre more casual friendly, role differentiation would be one of the first things out. Especially before items and the gold system altogether.

I dunno if that actually makes sense.

Sure, well that's something that LoL already did isn't it?
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
November 08 2013 23:46 GMT
#86052
On November 09 2013 08:44 SilverStar wrote:
Can someone translate the gist of this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw5iyS_Uk38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cow5wx3ymdo

It's an interview with Kuroky from starladder autotuned to make it sound like a song? I don't speak russian, but that's what it looks like to me.
super gg
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9381 Posts
November 08 2013 23:46 GMT
#86053
http://blog.dota2.com/2013/11/not-my-best-work/
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
November 08 2013 23:46 GMT
#86054
Valve responds to no Diretide : Link
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
November 08 2013 23:46 GMT
#86055
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/2013/11/not-my-best-work/
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 08 2013 23:47 GMT
#86056
?

last hitting isnt fun its quite boring hard to teach and master and monotonous in any game and they seem clear on making it the #1 casual friendly game that you can play with any idiot friend
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
November 08 2013 23:47 GMT
#86057
new heroes yay

+ Show Spoiler +
pls be true
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
November 08 2013 23:48 GMT
#86058
I'll probably play Heroes of the Storm because of the plethora of sword heroes Blizzard will surely have. I saw an abomination with meat hook in the gameplay video though. It's pretty irritating to me that they actually decided to put that skill on that model.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
November 08 2013 23:48 GMT
#86059
First, we’re going to ship Diretide with the next update. The rest of the update we’ve been working on is in final testing, and as each of us finish up our work on it, we’ve been jumping over to Diretide. Second, we’re pretty sure the update that we’ve been working on for a couple of months is going to be pretty significant. In addition, we’ve made a few changes to Diretide that we think makes it more fun than before. And while we always want the community to tell us exactly how we’re doing, this is probably a good time to stop cc’ing innocent car manufacturers with your messages.

Paying attention to what is happening in the community around Dota 2 is one of the most important aspects of what we do at Valve. And while we are clearly not mistake-proof, hopefully it is useful for us to walk everyone through our process for recognizing and then fixing our mistakes.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee so excited! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 23:50:27
November 08 2013 23:50 GMT
#86060
Tomorrow on Kotaku "Valve bends to pressure from Volvo to release Diretide."
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