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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote: It is, actually. The two illusions hitting stuff can be quite a bit of deeps, depending on what smaller items you got before. Unless there are stout shields. Or any AOE at all in which case you have no illusions | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
Linkens is way better. It lets you stay on the map, makes you significantly harder to kill, and lets you use your main early/mid damage source, SPELLS more Like, riddle me why Weaver doesn't rush Manta if its so fucking good, he suffers from a lot of the same problems that Mirana does. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
For example, I'd take Drums + Yasha + Bottle over Linkens any day. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
Thats why it bothers me, Linkens is the better choice if you want a fully completed item | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
don't upgrade yasha until you have a couple other items edit: i haven't seen a manta first mirana in as far as i can remember so like a few weeks at least edit2: i also haven't watched any matches tho | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
I don't think weaver is the same story, linkins synergizes well with his time lapse and is a hero that benefits from having regen sustainability which helps his case. i don't really see how weaver and mirana are identical honestly. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:53 Firebolt145 wrote: I'm not calling for a full Manta. I never said Manta was so fucking good. I'm saying there are other options than Manta, especially if you're considering an early game Manta. For example, I'd take Drums + Yasha + Bottle over Linkens any day. why not diffusal? it's an item that synergizes very well with mirana in both build up and what it does. | ||
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GtC
United States546 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:51 Shaella wrote: if the enemy has a PMS and you have manta, you're lucky if your illusions hit like 5 damage Linkens is way better. It lets you stay on the map, makes you significantly harder to kill, and lets you use your main early/mid damage source, SPELLS more Like, riddle me why Weaver doesn't rush Manta if its so fucking good, he suffers from a lot of the same problems that Mirana does. Sure, don't disagree that a first-item Linken's is overall more useful than a first-item Manta. But in the context of one teamfight, arguing that Linken's gives you more damage than Manta is ludicrous. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:57 Kuroeeah wrote: why not diffusal? it's an item that synergizes very well with mirana in both build up and what it does. I had forgotten to mention Diffusal, which is actually what I always rushed on her back when I played her as a carry. Definitely a very valid choice. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:58 GtC wrote: Well, if you throw in a diffusal, manta does quite a lot of damage. Also, manta first on any hero is generally not a good idea, whereas Linken's frequently is, as they fulfill diametrically differing roles, so why are we even comparing the two items?... Manta+Diffu doesn't work like that on ranged heros nice try. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:58 GtC wrote: Well, if you throw in a diffusal, manta does quite a lot of damage. Also, manta first on any hero is generally not a good idea, whereas Linken's frequently is, as they fulfill diametrically differing roles, so why are we even comparing the two items?... feedback only works on melee illusions | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
if you really wanna do dps tho yasha deso is the way to go or mom crystalis mirana's item and skill build are both pretty flexible | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 05 2013 16:04 Dead9 wrote: it adds a bunch of agility lol if you really wanna do dps tho yasha deso is the way to go or mom crystalis mirana's item and skill build are both pretty flexible With a Shadowblade, this is the SingSing build on every hero ever. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
THAT SAID I support Diffu on Mirana cause its good damage and helps you gank | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:56 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't know if i like it either but i don't see how you can refute something as bad when almost every single top team goes for the first position mirana. people watch games where mirana is thrown off her momentum and say "well first position mirana sucks". if she does suck there, why the fuck is she being consistently picked as a one position all the time? I don't think weaver is the same story, linkins synergizes well with his time lapse and is a hero that benefits from having regen sustainability which helps his case. i don't really see how weaver and mirana are identical honestly. That's the real question, I think it's mostly because mirana scales decently with farm and does not need babybsitting like those who scales better with farm like AM or spectre for exemple. She's also a decent fighter with XP only so she can still help his team to achieve objectives while going for greedy builds like midas into linken. She fits into the current meta. She also does not reveal the draft as she can be part of any lane be it agressive tri or solo safe or whatever. | ||
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