EPTIn terms of pure DPS efficiency, going smaller items like drums, yasha, mael, and small crit is better. But DPS doesn't win games.
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LAN-f34r
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In terms of pure DPS efficiency, going smaller items like drums, yasha, mael, and small crit is better. But DPS doesn't win games. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
what caused defense of the hand of midas legends in china | ||
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LAN-f34r
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:35 Shaella wrote: >linkens is a farming item What. Linken is a farming item, period. It's useful for things other than farming after you've used it as one, but you don't spend 1750 gold on regen stats and expect it to be a combat item until the farming power of 150% mana regen and 6 HP regen has paid for itself. Mana and HP regen are almost zero value as combat stats except on particular heroes or in extremely high amounts, so the stats have to turn into increased farm before the item pulls its weight in a real fight. On November 05 2013 16:11 Shaella wrote: tbh, Mirana isn't a great hero for Manta anyways. Manta's good on Mirana for the same reason it becomes good on most lategame Agi carries--because a lot of the time to break base, you simply have to use illusions to siege safely. Also, you generally won't pair Linken with BKB, so it's often the case that you'll use Manta to handle things that you want either BKB or Manta for. Most of those are covered by Diffusal use on self, though, so generally this use does't come out until you're out of Diffusal charges. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 05 2013 17:33 FinestHour wrote: so i stopped watching comp games for a long time what caused defense of the hand of midas legends in china midas wins games didnt i tell you this already the more midases you have the more guaranteed net worth you have | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On November 05 2013 18:14 FinestHour wrote: ya my bad i forgot i barely make midas in superior moba Your 20 min midas isn't as useful I assume. Gotta keep the feeding down. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Still more relevant to dota than the irc channel. Since I am boring I am only interested in Dota and nothing else, I don't visit tl.dota anymore. You can discuss everything except dota there. Get LoL and CS:GO pickup groups in tl.dota or talk about really random stuff. Why exactly is it advertised at the top of this thread again? We could just as well link to the health&fitness subforum. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3473 Posts
On November 05 2013 18:49 TheKefka wrote: what you guys think about skadi first on stuff like morph and weaver? Not as good as a farming item compare to linken. Worse dps then anything else. Other team carry hasnt hit hard enough for the slow to worth while. Too expensive as a tank-up first item as the int and mana are completely wasted. So in the end, yeah buildingr skadi first is not a good idea. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On November 05 2013 18:49 TheKefka wrote: what you guys think about skadi first on stuff like morph and weaver? Very bad. Skadi is slot efficient but not cost efficient at all so you don't get it early. | ||
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Mouzone
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dfs
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Huruid
Sweden22 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On November 05 2013 19:12 dfs wrote: How can you call a 5175 gold item a farming item when the only thing it gives you "to improve farm" is the 150% mana and 5 HP regen from the 1750 gold component? Lets you spam your nuke. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On November 05 2013 18:37 Mataza wrote: This thread. Still more relevant to dota than the irc channel. Since I am boring I am only interested in Dota and nothing else, I don't visit tl.dota anymore. You can discuss everything except dota there. Get LoL and CS:GO pickup groups in tl.dota or talk about really random stuff. Why exactly is it advertised at the top of this thread again? We could just as well link to the health&fitness subforum. Nobody is stopping you from asking any dota question in irc. I answer pretty much any questions in it. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On November 05 2013 18:49 TheKefka wrote: what you guys think about skadi first on stuff like morph and weaver? If it's effectively your BKB/Linkens replacement I think it's great, more so on Morphling tho. On Weaver I think it's a lot weaker simply because Linkens -> Deso gives you all the fighting and survivability stats that you need while 2outof Urn/Aquila/Drum/Medallion gives you all the quick midgame power you need. On Morphling it's an item that kind of does the same Linkens does just worse (speeds up your farm, makes splitpushing safer) while it also does the same as BKB does just worse (makes you more tanky in fights - both against autoattacks and burst) while ALSO enabling you to chase and kite very effectively early on. Sure, technically Skadi is an item bought more for slot than for cost efficiency but on Agi heroes (and obviously even more so on Morph) it is cost efficient enough to consider it when it can replace other less efficient items when they don't suit the game strongly enough. The conditions you want for it are: a) I would love the splitpush/farm power that Linkens gives but I'd be fine to do that stuff safely if I were a bit tankier. b) I would love the stronger teamfight BKB gives me but the immunity isn't that valuable this game. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 05 2013 19:12 dfs wrote: How can you call a 5175 gold item a farming item when the only thing it gives you "to improve farm" is the 150% mana and 5 HP regen from the 1750 gold component? That's a third of the item's value. More on heroes for whom Intelligence is only a farming stat because their in-fight mana usage is not high enough to count Intelligence as a combat stat. 2k gold invested in non-combat stats is a lot at your first item timing. It's less by your second major item which is when the majority of Linken's users expect to "kick in" (e.g. Morphling at Linken+E-Blade/Manta, Weaver at Linken+Deso). | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On November 05 2013 18:37 Mataza wrote: This thread. Still more relevant to dota than the irc channel. Since I am boring I am only interested in Dota and nothing else, I don't visit tl.dota anymore. You can discuss everything except dota there. Get LoL and CS:GO pickup groups in tl.dota or talk about really random stuff. Why exactly is it advertised at the top of this thread again? We could just as well link to the health&fitness subforum. Because it is a place for the TL dota community to congregate and discuss anything they want to at all. | ||
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