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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
September 23 2013 04:30 GMT
#79161
On September 23 2013 13:22 NB wrote:
hmmm, somehow i cant log on to ixdl and it said invalid PW. I used the same user name and pw to logon to ixdl forum just fine? >.>

Same thing here. I think ixdl might be dead. Mike spilled coffee on the server or something.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 23 2013 04:47 GMT
#79162
On September 23 2013 13:23 FinestHour wrote:
wait is the patch change where u get more items based on ur account level live already


Tomorrow. You'll see a symbol beside the XP bar.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 05:27:29
September 23 2013 05:26 GMT
#79163
On September 23 2013 13:05 Kuroeeah wrote:
The way the system works now incentivizes you to play more to get more items. I think it's fine the way it is for now.


Honestly the way Valve works it's likely going to be like level 20 or something before you max out your item rarity unless they do something surprising like "item find" per level or something.

Tomorrow. You'll see a symbol beside the XP bar.


Is it actually more items? I was under the impression it was only item rarity unlocking i.e a level 1 can't get rares
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
September 23 2013 05:27 GMT
#79164
Valve should implement quests where the reward is a battle bonus/xp.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 23 2013 05:59 GMT
#79165
iono from the wording my interpretation was u have a higher chance of getting drops
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 23 2013 06:25 GMT
#79166
On September 23 2013 14:59 FinestHour wrote:
iono from the wording my interpretation was u have a higher chance of getting drops

was a higher chance of getting better drops
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Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
September 23 2013 06:46 GMT
#79167
On September 23 2013 15:25 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 14:59 FinestHour wrote:
iono from the wording my interpretation was u have a higher chance of getting drops

was a higher chance of getting better drops


This is what I assumed, you are just less likely to get commons the higher you are.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
September 23 2013 06:48 GMT
#79168
I only keep getting shitty commons, which seems to be kinda unfair :D
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
September 23 2013 06:50 GMT
#79169
On September 23 2013 10:12 Daaktard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 09:32 trinxified wrote:
Well it's annoying that when you do a good job at supporting but then still get the blame when your carry player doesn't do well. Nice way to get an escape goat.

The usual pub-sense. When your team wins, the carry player will ask, "commend plz" because they wrecked the enemy as if they did it on their own. When you lose, the carry player will say, "no wards gg or support feeder", while really there are wards but they got no map awareness and also you died for them because they are careless.


I don't even remember the last time I've seen a "commend plz" actually. The first few months after commends were implemented it was everywhere, but now, nothing.

Btw, when people try out for teams, look for new players etc, what's the hardest role to fill? The most important role to find a good player on? The most demanding role?

What are your guys experiences with this in amateur tmm games?

I am actually very curious about this.

I think support is quite rare. I know 4 guys that can play any farming position roughly as good as me, but only one of them is worth 2 dimes playing suppor on more than 1 hero.

It's fascinating to see players worse than myself telling me supports just ward and stack neutrals.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 07:30:25
September 23 2013 07:24 GMT
#79170
On September 23 2013 15:50 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:12 Daaktard wrote:
On September 23 2013 09:32 trinxified wrote:
Well it's annoying that when you do a good job at supporting but then still get the blame when your carry player doesn't do well. Nice way to get an escape goat.

The usual pub-sense. When your team wins, the carry player will ask, "commend plz" because they wrecked the enemy as if they did it on their own. When you lose, the carry player will say, "no wards gg or support feeder", while really there are wards but they got no map awareness and also you died for them because they are careless.


I don't even remember the last time I've seen a "commend plz" actually. The first few months after commends were implemented it was everywhere, but now, nothing.

Btw, when people try out for teams, look for new players etc, what's the hardest role to fill? The most important role to find a good player on? The most demanding role?

What are your guys experiences with this in amateur tmm games?

I am actually very curious about this.

I think support is quite rare. I know 4 guys that can play any farming position roughly as good as me, but only one of them is worth 2 dimes playing suppor on more than 1 hero.

It's fascinating to see players worse than myself telling me supports just ward and stack neutrals.


Well that's partly also due to the fact that it's really hard to practice support for all the reason listed by people above me. The environment in pub is just not support friendly. It's why even in low level pub, you tend to find pretty good mid players. That's the one position you are largely independent of others and, because it gets so much glory, is generally coveted by most players.

Edit: To be honest, I actually really want to learn to be a good support, but it's really hard to be able to trust my teammates to do their jobs because even my friends tend to be worse than me. The two friends I play a lot with who are better than me prefer mid (invoker) and random respectively. Because of that, I usually have to play carry, and it can be frustrating because, even with my limited understanding of support, I can still things they're doing wrong, like stacking and pulling and pulling and pulling - and then I have no regen left and its only 2 minutes into the game.

Sorry, this should probably go in the QQ thread...
The Turtle Moves
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
September 23 2013 07:34 GMT
#79171
Supporting in pubs isn't even good practice, at least not most pubs, you are better off trying to be a dedicated support in an IH than trying in pubs.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 23 2013 07:35 GMT
#79172
whats in the green chest anyway are there any cool skins
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 23 2013 07:36 GMT
#79173
here's how i support in pubs
kill shit, because people underestimate you
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 07:40:02
September 23 2013 07:39 GMT
#79174
Here's how I support in pubs:

1) buy courier.
Done.
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
September 23 2013 07:39 GMT
#79175
I think people underestimate how easy it is to 'carry' a game as a support in a low-level game. It is as simple as roaming aggressively during the laning phase with a decent ganking support. It is much easier/more consistent to carry the game as a support in this way than as a heavy farm dependent hero. Where people go wrong is assuming they must play the passive/baby-sitting style of support. Although I agree that mid-game oriented semi-carries are generally strong in pubs of all skill levels.
Road to 6sange
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
September 23 2013 07:43 GMT
#79176
On September 23 2013 16:39 tauon wrote:
I think people underestimate how easy it is to 'carry' a game as a support in a low-level game. It is as simple as roaming aggressively during the laning phase with a decent ganking support. It is much easier/more consistent to carry the game as a support in this way than as a heavy farm dependent hero. Where people go wrong is assuming they must play the passive/baby-sitting style of support. Although I agree that mid-game oriented semi-carries are generally strong in pubs of all skill levels.


The issue is when you pick flexible heroes like windrunner because you don't know what kind of team you're going to get and you don't want to wait until the game has already started and your teammates are still afk. Then, you can't gank very well and there's really not much you can do other than try your best to win the lane. If you pick veno, then sure, by all means, go gank, but with some supports you get, you just can't really do a whole lot.
The Turtle Moves
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 07:54:12
September 23 2013 07:51 GMT
#79177
On September 23 2013 16:24 GtC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 15:50 Mataza wrote:
On September 23 2013 10:12 Daaktard wrote:
On September 23 2013 09:32 trinxified wrote:
Well it's annoying that when you do a good job at supporting but then still get the blame when your carry player doesn't do well. Nice way to get an escape goat.

The usual pub-sense. When your team wins, the carry player will ask, "commend plz" because they wrecked the enemy as if they did it on their own. When you lose, the carry player will say, "no wards gg or support feeder", while really there are wards but they got no map awareness and also you died for them because they are careless.


I don't even remember the last time I've seen a "commend plz" actually. The first few months after commends were implemented it was everywhere, but now, nothing.

Btw, when people try out for teams, look for new players etc, what's the hardest role to fill? The most important role to find a good player on? The most demanding role?

What are your guys experiences with this in amateur tmm games?

I am actually very curious about this.

I think support is quite rare. I know 4 guys that can play any farming position roughly as good as me, but only one of them is worth 2 dimes playing suppor on more than 1 hero.

It's fascinating to see players worse than myself telling me supports just ward and stack neutrals.


Well that's partly also due to the fact that it's really hard to practice support for all the reason listed by people above me. The environment in pub is just not support friendly. It's why even in low level pub, you tend to find pretty good mid players. That's the one position you are largely independent of others and, because it gets so much glory, is generally coveted by most players.

Edit: To be honest, I actually really want to learn to be a good support, but it's really hard to be able to trust my teammates to do their jobs because even my friends tend to be worse than me. The two friends I play a lot with who are better than me prefer mid (invoker) and random respectively. Because of that, I usually have to play carry, and it can be frustrating because, even with my limited understanding of support, I can still things they're doing wrong, like stacking and pulling and pulling and pulling - and then I have no regen left and its only 2 minutes into the game.

Sorry, this should probably go in the QQ thread...


I have a friend who "only plays support" and just pulls the camp over and over while I sit in lane getting harassed to death and unable to get last hits.

Whenever I play with him, I just pick the other support and make sure that my other friend who only plays carry is getting his space to farm. At least I am pretty sure that my friend who only plays carry is actually making good use of the space I am creating for him.

Thankfully the friend who plays support that I mentioned earlier responds to pings when I tell him we should try to smoke and go mid or when I think the offlaner is playing too aggressively and is actually killable.

Supporting in solo MM is a whole different monster really and is an experience I rarely enjoy. Unless I'm Rubick and there's lots of good spells to steal.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 07:53:12
September 23 2013 07:52 GMT
#79178
On September 23 2013 16:39 tauon wrote:
I think people underestimate how easy it is to 'carry' a game as a support in a low-level game. It is as simple as roaming aggressively during the laning phase with a decent ganking support. It is much easier/more consistent to carry the game as a support in this way than as a heavy farm dependent hero. Where people go wrong is assuming they must play the passive/baby-sitting style of support.


Yeah, I've had the same experience. If you play something like Bane or Nyx at low levels you can take the game home while the carries are still farming their first item.

On the other hand, most of the time I went to the long lane to "farm", it's always been a 2v2 lane and I've faced so much pressure that every last hit would cost me 10-20% of my hp.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
September 23 2013 07:53 GMT
#79179
On September 23 2013 16:51 rebdomine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 16:24 GtC wrote:
On September 23 2013 15:50 Mataza wrote:
On September 23 2013 10:12 Daaktard wrote:
On September 23 2013 09:32 trinxified wrote:
Well it's annoying that when you do a good job at supporting but then still get the blame when your carry player doesn't do well. Nice way to get an escape goat.

The usual pub-sense. When your team wins, the carry player will ask, "commend plz" because they wrecked the enemy as if they did it on their own. When you lose, the carry player will say, "no wards gg or support feeder", while really there are wards but they got no map awareness and also you died for them because they are careless.


I don't even remember the last time I've seen a "commend plz" actually. The first few months after commends were implemented it was everywhere, but now, nothing.

Btw, when people try out for teams, look for new players etc, what's the hardest role to fill? The most important role to find a good player on? The most demanding role?

What are your guys experiences with this in amateur tmm games?

I am actually very curious about this.

I think support is quite rare. I know 4 guys that can play any farming position roughly as good as me, but only one of them is worth 2 dimes playing suppor on more than 1 hero.

It's fascinating to see players worse than myself telling me supports just ward and stack neutrals.


Well that's partly also due to the fact that it's really hard to practice support for all the reason listed by people above me. The environment in pub is just not support friendly. It's why even in low level pub, you tend to find pretty good mid players. That's the one position you are largely independent of others and, because it gets so much glory, is generally coveted by most players.

Edit: To be honest, I actually really want to learn to be a good support, but it's really hard to be able to trust my teammates to do their jobs because even my friends tend to be worse than me. The two friends I play a lot with who are better than me prefer mid (invoker) and random respectively. Because of that, I usually have to play carry, and it can be frustrating because, even with my limited understanding of support, I can still things they're doing wrong, like stacking and pulling and pulling and pulling - and then I have no regen left and its only 2 minutes into the game.

Sorry, this should probably go in the QQ thread...


I have a friend who "only plays support" and just pulls the camp over and over while I sit in lane getting harassed to death unable to get last hits.

Whenever I play with him, I just pick the other support and make sure that my other friend who only plays carry is getting his space to farm. At least I am pretty sure that my friend who only plays carry is actually making good use of the space I am creating for him.

Supporting in solo MM is a whole different monster really and is an experience I rarely enjoy. Unless I'm Rubick and there's lots of good spells to steal.

THIS.TOTALLY THIS.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 23 2013 08:02 GMT
#79180
Idk, I enjoy solo supporting as CM a lot

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