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On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster.
In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out.
Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode.
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On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode.
Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be.
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On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode.
AP is kind of a bad game mode. If you want to do silly strats, then go AR or SD or maybe even LP. Hell, you can even get away with it in AP, CM, or RD if you queue with friends. Won a game as solo mid Dazzle in CM a couple days ago.
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On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be.
Introduce EM mode.
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On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode.
Will that be available for AP pick?
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On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be.
People can take picks however seriously they want to. They could just play as 5 to not rely on random teammates.
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Chaos Knight says goodbye and disconnects with intent to abandon after I kill courier a couple minutes in, in addition to their horrible draft and CK Wisp Medusa trilane, and we get firstblood before he abandons, but he does abandon (by which point it's 3-0) and no stats are recorded. What?
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On September 23 2013 22:29 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode. Will that be available for AP pick?
EM was a modifier that could be applied to pretty much any mode. Gave bonus gold, xp and weakened towers. can't remember if it modified anything else..
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On September 23 2013 22:42 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:29 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode. Will that be available for AP pick? EM was a modifier that could be applied to pretty much any mode. Gave bonus gold, xp and weakened towers. can't remember if it modified anything else..
Whoooooooosh.
Tell me, what does EM stand for?
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On September 23 2013 22:43 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:42 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:29 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode. Will that be available for AP pick? EM was a modifier that could be applied to pretty much any mode. Gave bonus gold, xp and weakened towers. can't remember if it modified anything else.. Whoooooooosh. Tell me, what does EM stand for?
Easy mode or am I wrong?
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On September 23 2013 22:47 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:43 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:42 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:29 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode. Will that be available for AP pick? EM was a modifier that could be applied to pretty much any mode. Gave bonus gold, xp and weakened towers. can't remember if it modified anything else.. Whoooooooosh. Tell me, what does EM stand for? Easy mode or am I wrong?
EM mode.
Easy mode mode.
AP pick.
All pick pick.
He was making fun of you.
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Some people want to try hard in pubs others dont. Thats why the most successful moba atm has optional ranked mode for pubs who want to try hard.
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On September 23 2013 22:48 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:47 EnumaAvalon wrote:On September 23 2013 22:43 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:42 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:29 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode. Will that be available for AP pick? EM was a modifier that could be applied to pretty much any mode. Gave bonus gold, xp and weakened towers. can't remember if it modified anything else.. Whoooooooosh. Tell me, what does EM stand for? Easy mode or am I wrong? EM mode. Easy mode mode. AP pick. All pick pick. He was making fun of you.
I really should get some sleep. Hahaha! Man! My brain is soup right now.
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I really hope they don't add em. Aside from breaking the MM algorithm, it will also increase queue times (more modes to split the player base across).
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On September 23 2013 22:48 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:47 EnumaAvalon wrote:On September 23 2013 22:43 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:42 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:29 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:23 Kipsate wrote:On September 23 2013 22:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 23 2013 22:03 yotis wrote:On September 23 2013 20:42 dfs wrote:
Hard support is not the most rewarding role, but in my opinion its not even supposed to be played in pubs. Pubs are so fucking tryhard nowadays, it's annoying. You can't just pick Chen, go mid and play Dota, unless you want to play 4v5 coz someone will report you and leave to train for TI5 qualifiers.
Pro scene influence over pubs is too strong, unfortunately.
My advice - just pick CM and break faces, rather than support. You will be surprised how good "supports" are at killing shit when they are not wasting their time "babbysitting" AM to farm for 20 minutes so he could farm for another 20 minutes, but faster. In my experience all "AP" games are like this, but when playing other modes, people are more forgiving in terms of lane picks, etc. Recently I enjoyed supporting with akasha, also support gyro all the way :D. But I agree with you, when you just want to have fun, games can be pain. On the other hand, if you actually want to win a game, Chen mid would make me want to pull all my hair out. Edit: maybe they should implement "Let's do stupid sh*t" mode. Or maybe people just need to stop taking pub seriously when they aren't meant to be. Introduce EM mode. Will that be available for AP pick? EM was a modifier that could be applied to pretty much any mode. Gave bonus gold, xp and weakened towers. can't remember if it modified anything else.. Whoooooooosh. Tell me, what does EM stand for? Easy mode or am I wrong? EM mode. Easy mode mode. AP pick. All pick pick. He was making fun of you.
Well, not HIM so much as Kipsate, but there's plenty to go around.
EM was, in my opinion, one of the worst things about DotA Allstars. Never before has a game gotten people so puffed up about being bad at it.
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On September 23 2013 22:53 tauon wrote:
I really hope they don't add em. Aside from breaking the MM algorithm, it will also increase queue times (more modes to split the player base across).
It's really good for people with less time tho. We used to play EM when we wanted a 30 minute game.
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On September 23 2013 22:57 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:53 tauon wrote:
I really hope they don't add em. Aside from breaking the MM algorithm, it will also increase queue times (more modes to split the player base across). It's really good for people with less time tho. We used to play EM when we wanted a 30 minute game.
Doesn't actually shorten game length. People can still defend towers, even if they're weaker, and endgame items just make fights take longer. The only thing that can really shorten game length is skill and draft imbalance.
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On September 23 2013 22:58 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:57 EnumaAvalon wrote:On September 23 2013 22:53 tauon wrote:
I really hope they don't add em. Aside from breaking the MM algorithm, it will also increase queue times (more modes to split the player base across). It's really good for people with less time tho. We used to play EM when we wanted a 30 minute game. Doesn't actually shorten game length. People can still defend towers, even if they're weaker, and endgame items just make fights take longer. The only thing that can really shorten game length is skill and draft imbalance.
It made comebacks really hard. Since a good teamfight will give much much more exp and gold to prevent close games.
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On September 23 2013 23:01 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:58 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:57 EnumaAvalon wrote:On September 23 2013 22:53 tauon wrote:
I really hope they don't add em. Aside from breaking the MM algorithm, it will also increase queue times (more modes to split the player base across). It's really good for people with less time tho. We used to play EM when we wanted a 30 minute game. Doesn't actually shorten game length. People can still defend towers, even if they're weaker, and endgame items just make fights take longer. The only thing that can really shorten game length is skill and draft imbalance. It made comebacks really hard. Since a good teamfight will give much much more exp and gold to prevent close games.
Yeah, and the mode also reduced gold lost from death, making comebacks easier, as well as doubling the time income. Most of what the mode did was forgive people for being awful at lasthitting and going way out of position.
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On September 23 2013 23:07 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 23:01 EnumaAvalon wrote:On September 23 2013 22:58 Acritter wrote:On September 23 2013 22:57 EnumaAvalon wrote:On September 23 2013 22:53 tauon wrote:
I really hope they don't add em. Aside from breaking the MM algorithm, it will also increase queue times (more modes to split the player base across). It's really good for people with less time tho. We used to play EM when we wanted a 30 minute game. Doesn't actually shorten game length. People can still defend towers, even if they're weaker, and endgame items just make fights take longer. The only thing that can really shorten game length is skill and draft imbalance. It made comebacks really hard. Since a good teamfight will give much much more exp and gold to prevent close games. Yeah, and the mode also reduced gold lost from death, making comebacks easier, as well as doubling the time income. Most of what the mode did was forgive people for being awful at lasthitting and going way out of position.
Oh really? I mustn't have noticed that or just forgot it! Man I really need sleep D:
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