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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:10 GMT
#76441
I think my results speak for themselves.

Also the fact that the only team i've ever seen build soul ring on PL in a pro game is fnatic because fnatic
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
September 08 2013 02:11 GMT
#76442
your results is 41 pub games with pl?

lol
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:12 GMT
#76443
On September 08 2013 11:11 Shadowpostin wrote:
your results is 41 pub games with pl?

lol

80% winrate
whats yours
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 02:15:13
September 08 2013 02:13 GMT
#76444
Maxing Juxtapose ASAP just doesn't make sense to me. Unless it's total free farm, which doesn't happen often in pubs. Your illusions die so fast and also deal very little damage that early game. Also, you're not really attacking several times since you're suppose to just last hit and deny. You don't want to push out lanes like that.
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 02:17:23
September 08 2013 02:16 GMT
#76445
you are that delusional to think that 80% winrate over 42 games in pubs with PL makes you qualified to classify an item as SHIT without a shadow of a doubt..
idk what my winrate with PL is,doesn't even matter,this is just 2 opinions against each other so I guess nothing will come out of it
its 65%*
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 08 2013 02:16 GMT
#76446
Were the majority of the games played when qb impacted illusions or post nerf?
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 02:19:27
September 08 2013 02:18 GMT
#76447
On September 08 2013 11:16 Kuroeeah wrote:
Were the majority of the games played when qb impacted illusions or post nerf?

http://dotabuff.com/players/33136694

http://dotabuff.com/players/33136694/matches?hero=phantom-lancer&game_mode=&match_type=real

I don't remember how long ago the QB fix was.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:19 GMT
#76448
On September 08 2013 11:16 Kuroeeah wrote:
Were the majority of the games played when qb impacted illusions or post nerf?

post

You still max spear first, its just you max jux afterwards for the farm power
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
September 08 2013 02:20 GMT
#76449
On September 08 2013 11:19 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 11:16 Kuroeeah wrote:
Were the majority of the games played when qb impacted illusions or post nerf?

post

You still max spear first, its just you max jux afterwards for the farm power

that's another thing,everyone I know off maxes doppelwalk after lance.
I even remember aui saying it's way more efficient.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 08 2013 02:20 GMT
#76450
QB effecting PL was so hilariously dumb

Ahhh good times.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 02:21:26
September 08 2013 02:20 GMT
#76451
On September 08 2013 11:19 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 11:16 Kuroeeah wrote:
Were the majority of the games played when qb impacted illusions or post nerf?

post

You still max spear first, its just you max jux afterwards for the farm power


Skip doppelwalk? Leaving it at Level 1 is 150 mana, I don't know how you're getting that much mana. Unless you aren't using Lance at all?

I max dopplewalk for the cooldown and mana decrease. It's almost essential to survive lanes in pubs.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 08 2013 02:24 GMT
#76452
This hardcore PL discussion oh god... must run away..
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:25 GMT
#76453
one point in dopple. I don't need much mana because as PL my main focus is farming like mad. If i have to fight things have gone wrong and its going to be a hard game.

Maxing Juxtapose out is super important, because at level 11, your second point in phantom edge makes it so your image generation goes off the scale, and you can start to independently push waves with your images, it also lets you proxy farm the jungle
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 02:32:48
September 08 2013 02:29 GMT
#76454
what are you on about dude,there is no way you can effectively proxy farm the jungle and push the lanes with your clones at lvl 11 rofl.You need at least a couple of solid items before you can do that,the illusions are frail as fuck and do no damage otherwise,even creeps can out last hit them.
I honestly see little use in maxing anything other than doppelwalk after lance,unless it's the god of all easy lanes I guess
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 08 2013 02:29 GMT
#76455
On September 08 2013 11:25 Shaella wrote:
one point in dopple. I don't need much mana because as PL my main focus is farming like mad. If i have to fight things have gone wrong and its going to be a hard game.

Maxing Juxtapose out is super important, because at level 11, your second point in phantom edge makes it so your image generation goes off the scale, and you can start to independently push waves with your images, it also lets you proxy farm the jungle


This build depends if your team mates can handle 4v5 for a while. In most cases, pubs can't be trusted like this. And nobody will just let you farm like that in a lane. Either every game your lane partner(s) are super awesome or the offlaner(s) are total shit.

I get what you're saying though. Maxed out Jux by level 11 is pretty nice but it's hardly a safe build.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:33 GMT
#76456
On September 08 2013 11:29 Shadowpostin wrote:
what are you on about dude,there is no way you can effectively proxy farm the jungle and push the lanes with your clones at lvl 11 rofl.You need at least a couple of solid items before you can do that,the illusions are frail as fuck and do no damage otherwise

You can. Simply by the strength of having 8 clones at that level that are constantly generating more clones at a fantastic rate.

On September 08 2013 11:29 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 11:25 Shaella wrote:
one point in dopple. I don't need much mana because as PL my main focus is farming like mad. If i have to fight things have gone wrong and its going to be a hard game.

Maxing Juxtapose out is super important, because at level 11, your second point in phantom edge makes it so your image generation goes off the scale, and you can start to independently push waves with your images, it also lets you proxy farm the jungle


This build depends if your team mates can handle 4v5 for a while. In most cases, pubs can't be trusted like this. And nobody will just let you farm like that in a lane. Either every game your lane partner(s) are super awesome or the offlaner(s) are total shit.

I get what you're saying though. Maxed out Jux by level 11 is pretty nice but it's hardly a safe build.

Its worked for me for plenty of games. In pubs.

You just alter your build depending on situation.
Yasha if you're super safe
Drums if you need stability and extra safety
Diffu if its gone tits up and you need to help NOW
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
September 08 2013 02:36 GMT
#76457
I just actually pick KotL if my team has a PL. I'm not good at KotL tho. I think Tranquils are bad in general. Maybe situational but if you chase someone with damage over time like Lesh or Jakiro, you won't catch him.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:36 GMT
#76458
On September 08 2013 11:36 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I just actually pick KotL if my team has a PL. I'm not good at KotL tho. I think Tranquils are bad in general. Maybe situational but if you chase someone with damage over time like Lesh or Jakiro, you won't catch him.

PL shouldn't really be chasing people down. Just should farm.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
September 08 2013 02:40 GMT
#76459
On September 08 2013 11:36 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 11:36 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I just actually pick KotL if my team has a PL. I'm not good at KotL tho. I think Tranquils are bad in general. Maybe situational but if you chase someone with damage over time like Lesh or Jakiro, you won't catch him.

PL shouldn't really be chasing people down. Just should farm.

Tell that to majority of pub players :D
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:44 GMT
#76460
On September 08 2013 11:40 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 11:36 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 11:36 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I just actually pick KotL if my team has a PL. I'm not good at KotL tho. I think Tranquils are bad in general. Maybe situational but if you chase someone with damage over time like Lesh or Jakiro, you won't catch him.

PL shouldn't really be chasing people down. Just should farm.

Tell that to majority of pub players :D

well yeah.
thats why they think they need soul ring -.-
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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