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gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 00:53:50
September 08 2013 00:51 GMT
#76421
Soulring is a situationally good pickup for PL due to exactly the things chrobbus pointed out, instead of theorizing about stuff you should play the game and try to not suck

edit: if your lane is free you dont go pt either
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 08 2013 00:56 GMT
#76422
Tranqs are needed for laning unless they are giving it to you for free... Getting Treads provides no lane regen. Am I being trolled here?
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 08 2013 00:59 GMT
#76423
On September 08 2013 09:33 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 09:19 trinxified wrote:
Is soul ring standard for PL when you don't have CM/KotL (or any mana early-game givers) in your lineup?

I think Soul Ring is only okay on PL if he doesn't have KotL or if he's laning against a squishy hero with no nuke. Soul ring on PL kinda requires him to get tranquils which are terrible.


Do you say that tranqs are terrible on PL or in general? I don't like them either because of their recent nerf that removes a lot of movespeed but they are required for hard carries that don't have Battle Fury build up on them.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 08 2013 01:03 GMT
#76424
ixmike88 never failed in surprising me with his music choice.... wow.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 08 2013 01:05 GMT
#76425
On September 08 2013 09:56 trinxified wrote:
Tranqs are needed for laning unless they are giving it to you for free... Getting Treads provides no lane regen. Am I being trolled here?

i clarified they aren't needed if they're giving it to you for free. after the nerf, i don't think its the go to since pt is much better at creating illusions or w.e.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 01:13:56
September 08 2013 01:08 GMT
#76426
On September 08 2013 10:03 NB wrote:
ixmike88 never failed in surprising me with his music choice.... wow.

OMFG i was going to go to bed, then i read this and turned on ixmike stream and NOW I GET TO SEE RTZ INVOKER HOLY GOD YA

but hes not streaming
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 08 2013 01:14 GMT
#76427
On September 08 2013 10:08 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 10:03 NB wrote:
ixmike88 never failed in surprising me with his music choice.... wow.

OMFG i was going to go to bed, then i read this and turned on ixmike stream and NOW I GET TO SEE RTZ INVOKER HOLY GOD YA

but hes not streaming

rtz streams off and on like fear.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 01:36 GMT
#76428
On September 08 2013 09:37 Chrobbus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 09:24 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:19 trinxified wrote:
Is soul ring standard for PL when you don't have CM/KotL (or any mana early-game givers) in your lineup?

No.

Soul ring is trash on PL honestly.


Lmao. How do you reach that conclusion? You're one of those _always out of mana_ hardcarry PL types in the pubs. Someone comes to gank and you can't pop the hero because you're rushing your relic/manta or whatever. As far as I see it, even with a kotl, soul ring can in many circumstances guarantee you an early kill in addition to marking you as an additional threat (no one is truly afraid of a PL that has no mana, plus he's a more promising target than someone who's got the mana for escape). Hence, soulring is not a trash item on PL and it synergizes extremely well with tranquil boots in your buildup to lategame items.

I have an 80% WR on PL
over 41 games
i think i know what the fuck i'm doing. Soul ring is SHIT on PL
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
September 08 2013 01:45 GMT
#76429
unless ur 1v1 why would u get a soulring on pl? either ur freefarming or the lane is hard (and i assume you dont want to sac life for mana when the lane is hard)
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 01:46:54
September 08 2013 01:46 GMT
#76430
On September 08 2013 10:36 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 09:37 Chrobbus wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:24 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:19 trinxified wrote:
Is soul ring standard for PL when you don't have CM/KotL (or any mana early-game givers) in your lineup?

No.

Soul ring is trash on PL honestly.


Lmao. How do you reach that conclusion? You're one of those _always out of mana_ hardcarry PL types in the pubs. Someone comes to gank and you can't pop the hero because you're rushing your relic/manta or whatever. As far as I see it, even with a kotl, soul ring can in many circumstances guarantee you an early kill in addition to marking you as an additional threat (no one is truly afraid of a PL that has no mana, plus he's a more promising target than someone who's got the mana for escape). Hence, soulring is not a trash item on PL and it synergizes extremely well with tranquil boots in your buildup to lategame items.

I have an 80% WR on PL
over 41 games
i think i know what the fuck i'm doing. Soul ring is SHIT on PL


How are you staying in lane and how are you fending off the offlaner? I noticed you're also power treads start up too.
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 01:51:54
September 08 2013 01:47 GMT
#76431
soul ring is not SHIT on PL.....
in fact soul ring/tranqs is the best thing you can get if you are sorta loosing control of your lane,which is not uncommon in pubs when there's a 2v2 situation.
it's also ok if the hardlaner has a lot of regen and you don't have a kotl supporting you
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Souone
Profile Joined July 2012
Brazil470 Posts
September 08 2013 01:52 GMT
#76432
Someone needs to call Aui and get a definitive answer to end this PL discussion.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 01:52 GMT
#76433
On September 08 2013 10:46 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 10:36 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:37 Chrobbus wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:24 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:19 trinxified wrote:
Is soul ring standard for PL when you don't have CM/KotL (or any mana early-game givers) in your lineup?

No.

Soul ring is trash on PL honestly.


Lmao. How do you reach that conclusion? You're one of those _always out of mana_ hardcarry PL types in the pubs. Someone comes to gank and you can't pop the hero because you're rushing your relic/manta or whatever. As far as I see it, even with a kotl, soul ring can in many circumstances guarantee you an early kill in addition to marking you as an additional threat (no one is truly afraid of a PL that has no mana, plus he's a more promising target than someone who's got the mana for escape). Hence, soulring is not a trash item on PL and it synergizes extremely well with tranquil boots in your buildup to lategame items.

I have an 80% WR on PL
over 41 games
i think i know what the fuck i'm doing. Soul ring is SHIT on PL


How are you staying in lane and how are you fending off the offlaner? I noticed you're also power treads start up too.

that was just the latest game, tho you can do some tread swapping and get some extra mileage out of the mana you have

I usually just get tranquils, all PL has to do is farm, the pressure isn't on PL to kill, but for the other team to kill him

On September 08 2013 10:47 Shadowpostin wrote:
soul ring is not SHIT on PL.....
in fact soul ring/tranqs is the best thing you can get if you are sorta loosing control of your lane,which is not uncommon in pubs when there's a 2v2 situation.


It is shit on PL. it is 800 gold of worthless past laning phase. It contributes nothing to your ability to farm in any way.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
September 08 2013 01:52 GMT
#76434
so if you are losing control of the lane the best thing to do is trade hp for mana? tranqs are fine but seriously soul ring in a losing lane, i dont get that logic. a soul ring costs 150 hp and give you 1 free nuke, your nuke doesnt even do more than 150damage until lvl 7....
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 01:54 GMT
#76435
On September 08 2013 10:52 aintz wrote:
so if you are losing control of the lane the best thing to do is trade hp for mana? tranqs are fine but seriously soul ring in a losing lane, i dont get that logic. a soul ring costs 150 hp and give you 1 free nuke, your nuke doesnt even do more than 150damage until lvl 7....

exactly. So dumb. Spirit lance needs to be 100% maxed before the trade is worth it. Plus a lot of people will just jump on ur ass right as you use the soul ring cuz u just nuked yourself.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
September 08 2013 01:55 GMT
#76436
On September 08 2013 10:52 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 10:46 trinxified wrote:
On September 08 2013 10:36 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:37 Chrobbus wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:24 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:19 trinxified wrote:
Is soul ring standard for PL when you don't have CM/KotL (or any mana early-game givers) in your lineup?

No.

Soul ring is trash on PL honestly.


Lmao. How do you reach that conclusion? You're one of those _always out of mana_ hardcarry PL types in the pubs. Someone comes to gank and you can't pop the hero because you're rushing your relic/manta or whatever. As far as I see it, even with a kotl, soul ring can in many circumstances guarantee you an early kill in addition to marking you as an additional threat (no one is truly afraid of a PL that has no mana, plus he's a more promising target than someone who's got the mana for escape). Hence, soulring is not a trash item on PL and it synergizes extremely well with tranquil boots in your buildup to lategame items.

I have an 80% WR on PL
over 41 games
i think i know what the fuck i'm doing. Soul ring is SHIT on PL


How are you staying in lane and how are you fending off the offlaner? I noticed you're also power treads start up too.

that was just the latest game, tho you can do some tread swapping and get some extra mileage out of the mana you have

I usually just get tranquils, all PL has to do is farm, the pressure isn't on PL to kill, but for the other team to kill him

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 10:47 Shadowpostin wrote:
soul ring is not SHIT on PL.....
in fact soul ring/tranqs is the best thing you can get if you are sorta loosing control of your lane,which is not uncommon in pubs when there's a 2v2 situation.


It is shit on PL. it is 800 gold of worthless past laning phase. It contributes nothing to your ability to farm in any way.

what.....dopplewalk spam/lance spam is a pretty important part of PLs farming process,both require mana.If you are under a lot of pressure it's a very useful item.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 01:57:24
September 08 2013 01:56 GMT
#76437
On September 08 2013 10:55 Shadowpostin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 10:52 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 10:46 trinxified wrote:
On September 08 2013 10:36 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:37 Chrobbus wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:24 Shaella wrote:
On September 08 2013 09:19 trinxified wrote:
Is soul ring standard for PL when you don't have CM/KotL (or any mana early-game givers) in your lineup?

No.

Soul ring is trash on PL honestly.


Lmao. How do you reach that conclusion? You're one of those _always out of mana_ hardcarry PL types in the pubs. Someone comes to gank and you can't pop the hero because you're rushing your relic/manta or whatever. As far as I see it, even with a kotl, soul ring can in many circumstances guarantee you an early kill in addition to marking you as an additional threat (no one is truly afraid of a PL that has no mana, plus he's a more promising target than someone who's got the mana for escape). Hence, soulring is not a trash item on PL and it synergizes extremely well with tranquil boots in your buildup to lategame items.

I have an 80% WR on PL
over 41 games
i think i know what the fuck i'm doing. Soul ring is SHIT on PL


How are you staying in lane and how are you fending off the offlaner? I noticed you're also power treads start up too.

that was just the latest game, tho you can do some tread swapping and get some extra mileage out of the mana you have

I usually just get tranquils, all PL has to do is farm, the pressure isn't on PL to kill, but for the other team to kill him

On September 08 2013 10:47 Shadowpostin wrote:
soul ring is not SHIT on PL.....
in fact soul ring/tranqs is the best thing you can get if you are sorta loosing control of your lane,which is not uncommon in pubs when there's a 2v2 situation.


It is shit on PL. it is 800 gold of worthless past laning phase. It contributes nothing to your ability to farm in any way.

what.....dopplewalk spam/lance spam is a pretty important part of PLs farming process,both require mana.If you are under a lot of pressure it's a very useful item.

No. If you're under pressure buy yourself a set of drums.

the most important part of PL's farming is getting juxtapose maxed.

Edit: After spirit lance obviously.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
September 08 2013 02:02 GMT
#76438
right...just that drums is more than double the cost,it's not an item you can just pull out of your ass,where as tranqs/soul ring is.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 08 2013 02:04 GMT
#76439
On September 08 2013 11:02 Shadowpostin wrote:
right...just that drums is more than double the cost,it's not an item you can just pull out of your ass,where as tranqs/soul ring is.

Oh no, you'll have to go down Drums clearly EXTRAVAGANT build up of a bracer.

My -god-

Drums is cheap. Soul ring is shit. Stop buying it


Even if you DO get soul ring, you're waiting until level 7 for the nuke to be worth it. Once you're there, great, you have a soul ring, maybe you can bully them out of lane, but they're likely 6-7 as well and can just go start ganking or -something else-, I guess you can sell it then, but thats still a waste of 400 gold

Spend your money on something better. Hell, build an Aquila if you REALLY need mana. There's so many better options than soul ring.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 02:10:40
September 08 2013 02:09 GMT
#76440
good for you,I disagree
btw i get ring/drums almost every game as well just saying ring is not SHIT as you make it out to be and has its use
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
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