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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Confuse
2238 Posts
That said, my candidate is Pudge, as he has had almost no success outside of being played by Dendi, where suddenly he does really really well. Sure anyone and their grandma can land hooks with pudge in high queue and feel, wow what an easy dude, but at professional level? There's only one guy known for it. Pudge's skill cap is infinite as it primarily relies on mind games and understanding of your opponents. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:07 Confuse wrote: The hardest hero discussion is kind of irrelevant unless the hero can be played at a high level, I don't really know why people talk about meepo (who can't be played competitively, realistically) and invoker (who many high level players do just fine with). That said, my candidate is Pudge, as he has had almost no success outside of being played by Dendi, where suddenly he does really really well. Sure anyone and their grandma can land hooks with pudge in high queue and feel, wow what an easy dude, but at professional level? There's only one guy known for it. Pudge's skill cap is infinite as it primarily relies on mind games and understanding of your opponents. That level of mind gaming is far from exclusive to Pudge even though the design of the hero makes the whole aspect easily apparent to people watching. My problem with Pudge having an infinite skill cap is how dependent he is on gaining an advantage. If Pudge were to fall behind, hook easily becomes a double edged sword. You either show dominance or getting being dominated, there isn't an in between. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:14 aintz wrote: navis pudge and chen is pretty next level. i remember the noob rootgaming players tried to do it in a match and failing 12304102847102498times what do you expect? dendi is known for being one of the best and prob only pudge users competitively and puppey has the same reputation for being one of the best chen players in the world. I don't know if i'd argue whether puppey has a better chen than akke but given that both players live up to their reputation in terms of playing their signature heroes you can only expect them to play it right. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On September 08 2013 04:58 rabidch wrote: the hardest hero is tiny, cuz hes made of rocks The muscles of Axe > Tiny | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
I agree. that shit is the hardest substance in tha game | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:46 EmilA wrote: Kotl sounds like he is rock hard 24/7 laughing so hard at this was imagining his voice and its so true | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On September 08 2013 04:58 rabidch wrote: the hardest hero is tiny, cuz hes made of rocks thanks for the insight eric | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Pugna. Seriously. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:46 Shaella wrote: I agree. that shit is the hardest substance in tha game I disagree, i am quite sure that Axe's beard is substantially harder than even his muscles. He is not the king of beards for nothing. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:07 Confuse wrote: The hardest hero discussion is kind of irrelevant unless the hero can be played at a high level, I don't really know why people talk about meepo (who can't be played competitively, realistically) and invoker (who many high level players do just fine with). Doesn't the fact that almost nobody (notail comes very close) can play meepo at high level makes the hero really hard? And realistically, meepo can be played competitively, why wouldn't he be? | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
Easy to shut down/gank As good as his strengths are, he's still.too easily abused to be picked. Maybe if he didn't have such weak base damage he could be played comfortably in a 1v1 matchup. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 08 2013 07:07 ArcticRaven wrote: Trash lane presence Easy to shut down/gank As good as his strengths are, he's still.too easily abused to be picked. Maybe if he didn't have such weak base damage he could be played comfortably in a 1v1 matchup. giving meepo more base damage might make him too extreme. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On September 08 2013 07:00 thOr6136 wrote: Doesn't the fact that almost nobody (notail comes very close) can play meepo at high level makes the hero really hard? And realistically, meepo can be played competitively, why wouldn't he be? he really cant unless ur doing some heavy cheese with him or duo mid u just send some aggro tri and hes done | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On September 08 2013 07:00 thOr6136 wrote: Doesn't the fact that almost nobody (notail comes very close) can play meepo at high level makes the hero really hard? And realistically, meepo can be played competitively, why wouldn't he be? Because teams don't like taking chances, some times they work out like Meepo, some times they fall flat on their face like Viper. It's not about if a hero can be played competitively, it's a matter of if teams are comfortable enough running that hero, like Wisp for Chinese teams at TI3 for example. Some heroes are good in some metas and terrible in others. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
And yes, i understand that people don't like to take chances and do specific strategies around one hero that may or may not work, i was simply trying to make him think about the statement he made,that the hero is not viable :p (in my opinon every hero is viable) Btw dual mid is a terrible idea, he needs levels more then anything in the early game. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
And it's really rare that opposing team doesn't have either, though single target burst is more "comfortable" for meepo since he'll survived it alot better later than he would mass aoe which just gimps him harder and harder as game progresses. | ||
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