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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
September 07 2013 15:24 GMT
#76361
invoker is definitely the hardest hero to play well. meepo is a joke in comparison. and did somebody say puck is hard! lol the only reason that hero is hard is if you played hon and keeps thinking that pressing q again after casting orb tps you to it, dont know how many times i failed like that in the beginning.
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 15:29:18
September 07 2013 15:27 GMT
#76362
Max invoke and agha is the most fun to play.
Pressing keys fast and throwing shit and stuff feels so good.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
September 07 2013 15:39 GMT
#76363
On September 08 2013 00:24 aintz wrote:
invoker is definitely the hardest hero to play well. meepo is a joke in comparison. and did somebody say puck is hard! lol the only reason that hero is hard is if you played hon and keeps thinking that pressing q again after casting orb tps you to it, dont know how many times i failed like that in the beginning.


Invoker in Dota 2 is not hard to play. You can macro every spell to a single key.
secret - never again
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 07 2013 15:43 GMT
#76364
without macro. Invoker is hard cuz you can't mindlessly spam spells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
September 07 2013 15:59 GMT
#76365
On September 08 2013 00:39 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 00:24 aintz wrote:
invoker is definitely the hardest hero to play well. meepo is a joke in comparison. and did somebody say puck is hard! lol the only reason that hero is hard is if you played hon and keeps thinking that pressing q again after casting orb tps you to it, dont know how many times i failed like that in the beginning.


Invoker in Dota 2 is not hard to play. You can macro every spell to a single key.


even then you have to count in cd and cast time and proper cast timing is not very easy. theres a big difference between medicore invokers and good invokers.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
September 07 2013 16:01 GMT
#76366
On September 08 2013 00:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 18:29 ChunderBoy wrote:
Did anyone else get added by 12 Malaysians over one night on Steam?
Edit: another one just added me...


truly the prince of dota

I only get random friend requests from russians


I went to town for a few hours came back and suddenly 7 more invites...
All of them have only Dota 2 as a game on Steam and around 20 hours in it...
Is there some new scam/bots thing going on, or did Malaysians suddenly get access to Dota 2 and are adding top players?
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
September 07 2013 16:01 GMT
#76367
On September 08 2013 00:43 Erasme wrote:
without macro. Invoker is hard cuz you can't mindlessly spam spells


wat

how is eul sunstrike meteor dfb hard
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 07 2013 16:03 GMT
#76368
On September 08 2013 01:01 greggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 00:43 Erasme wrote:
without macro. Invoker is hard cuz you can't mindlessly spam spells


wat

how is eul sunstrike meteor dfb hard

discussion is about useful invoker, not high bracket random invoker
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
September 07 2013 16:04 GMT
#76369
On September 08 2013 01:01 greggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 00:43 Erasme wrote:
without macro. Invoker is hard cuz you can't mindlessly spam spells


wat

how is eul sunstrike meteor dfb hard


You should try to avoid doing that combo as much as possible.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 16:06:23
September 07 2013 16:05 GMT
#76370
Did anyone get free items today? I woke up and there was a little letter icon in the right corner (a first, for me), saying that I had new items. Checked and got a rubleine chest and the mythical NP treants.

I always wanted those, so I'm happy :D
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 07 2013 16:06 GMT
#76371
On September 08 2013 01:05 TALegion wrote:
Did anyone get free items today? I woke up and there was a little letter icon in the right corner (a first, for me), saying that I had new items. Checked and got a riftshadow chest and the mythical NP treants.

I always wanted those, so I'm happy :D

You prolly got them in your last game and it didn't show
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 07 2013 16:06 GMT
#76372
On September 08 2013 01:05 TALegion wrote:
Did anyone get free items today? I woke up and there was a little letter icon in the right corner (a first, for me), saying that I had new items. Checked and got a riftshadow chest and the mythical NP treants.

I always wanted those, so I'm happy :D

it doesnt give u free items, it reminds u of the new items u recieved lately
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 07 2013 16:27 GMT
#76373
On September 08 2013 01:01 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 00:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On September 07 2013 18:29 ChunderBoy wrote:
Did anyone else get added by 12 Malaysians over one night on Steam?
Edit: another one just added me...


truly the prince of dota

I only get random friend requests from russians


I went to town for a few hours came back and suddenly 7 more invites...
All of them have only Dota 2 as a game on Steam and around 20 hours in it...
Is there some new scam/bots thing going on, or did Malaysians suddenly get access to Dota 2 and are adding top players?

did you win some rare items during a high viewed game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
September 07 2013 16:28 GMT
#76374
On September 08 2013 01:06 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 01:05 TALegion wrote:
Did anyone get free items today? I woke up and there was a little letter icon in the right corner (a first, for me), saying that I had new items. Checked and got a riftshadow chest and the mythical NP treants.

I always wanted those, so I'm happy :D

it doesnt give u free items, it reminds u of the new items u recieved lately

So, I missed casually getting a mythic I've always wanted? It's a good day.
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
September 07 2013 16:51 GMT
#76375
On September 08 2013 01:01 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 00:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On September 07 2013 18:29 ChunderBoy wrote:
Did anyone else get added by 12 Malaysians over one night on Steam?
Edit: another one just added me...


truly the prince of dota

I only get random friend requests from russians


I went to town for a few hours came back and suddenly 7 more invites...
All of them have only Dota 2 as a game on Steam and around 20 hours in it...
Is there some new scam/bots thing going on, or did Malaysians suddenly get access to Dota 2 and are adding top players?


Prolly new invite trade thingie I guess. And good loot from your inventory
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
September 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#76376
wow, when i logged on I got a message that one of my reports helped and got them to take measures for one individual... first time i got that! I even got a new Report for this week...

It didnt say what they did (ban / warn ?) or whom they did it too but thats really cool to hear that they actually do something with the reports ;D

Reports felt pretty useless in StarCraft 2
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 17:48:24
September 07 2013 17:46 GMT
#76377
On September 08 2013 00:24 aintz wrote:
invoker is definitely the hardest hero to play well. meepo is a joke in comparison. and did somebody say puck is hard! lol the only reason that hero is hard is if you played hon and keeps thinking that pressing q again after casting orb tps you to it, dont know how many times i failed like that in the beginning.

People tend to assess heroes primarily on their mechanical difficulty when honestly this is not even necessarily the most difficult aspect of a hero.

The truly difficult heroes are the ones that have both incredible room for mechanical skill, while also requiring a deep understanding of the game and of the hero to really master. Invoker has both of these aspects, as the sheer number of ways Invoker can be played and the roles he can perform means that in order to have truly mastered the hero, you have to have an understanding of each one of these and how they could potentially fit into every different game.

The flip side of this is a hero like Puck who, while mechanically interesting, has comparatively little variation in role, playstyle, or item selection, and therefore does far less to distinguish players on their understanding of the game.
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
September 07 2013 18:44 GMT
#76378
On September 08 2013 02:46 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 00:24 aintz wrote:
invoker is definitely the hardest hero to play well. meepo is a joke in comparison. and did somebody say puck is hard! lol the only reason that hero is hard is if you played hon and keeps thinking that pressing q again after casting orb tps you to it, dont know how many times i failed like that in the beginning.

People tend to assess heroes primarily on their mechanical difficulty when honestly this is not even necessarily the most difficult aspect of a hero.

The truly difficult heroes are the ones that have both incredible room for mechanical skill, while also requiring a deep understanding of the game and of the hero to really master. Invoker has both of these aspects, as the sheer number of ways Invoker can be played and the roles he can perform means that in order to have truly mastered the hero, you have to have an understanding of each one of these and how they could potentially fit into every different game.

The flip side of this is a hero like Puck who, while mechanically interesting, has comparatively little variation in role, playstyle, or item selection, and therefore does far less to distinguish players on their understanding of the game.

I don't know how "understanding" of the hero is a skill hard to master. It requires knowledge, you say invoker can be played in many ways and thus there's a lot of adaption required from you depending on the game, sure but that's not really something hard to master. That's just a thing you have to learn over time as you play lots of games of DotA.

Mechanical skill is more impressive because there's no real "limit" on it. The number of things Meepo can do compared to other heroes in terms of mechanical skill is unparalleled. Not to mention just as invoker you can play him in different ways depending on the flow of the game.

A lot of people think Meepo for example is hard because he's easy to shut down, lots of heroes counter him, it's hard to place him in a team etc, but that's really not the main issue in learning how to play the hero.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
September 07 2013 19:37 GMT
#76379
The hardest heroes are still in DotA 1. Zet and Kaolin.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 07 2013 19:40 GMT
#76380
Skill Magi is clearly the hardest hero to play well.
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