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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 28 2013 12:24 GMT
#74561
On August 28 2013 20:01 StoRm_res wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 19:56 739 wrote:
Single rule

1. You pull single stack of creeps when You want to push the lane
2. You pull the double stack of creeps when You dont want to push the lane

Exception: you can deny a whole creep wave using a single alpha wolf camp



in 3v1 u pretty much always single pull and pull second camp (and third for radiant)
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
August 28 2013 12:26 GMT
#74562
On August 28 2013 19:54 Sbrubbles wrote:
Question: when you're support, is there any reason to stack creeps before pulling if there's nothing that will prevent you from doing a pull-through? I see plenty of people who do that, but I'm guessing it's because they aren't sure of the pull-through timing (especially on dire side).


Single stack pullthrough feels much better. You actually kill two camps instead of getting the odd ogre and a centaur baby and the entire wave is still denied. Also less risk of the odd what-ever-nuke from somebody contesting the pull gets several creeps.


Pull through gets 10/10 from EmilA.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 28 2013 12:29 GMT
#74563
whenever i see any pro thats streaming queuing with sheever they seem to be losing
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 28 2013 12:30 GMT
#74564
I seriously don't get how you can pull any camp but the easy pull camp as radiant, game too hard TT
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
August 28 2013 12:31 GMT
#74565
On August 28 2013 21:30 Targe wrote:
I seriously don't get how you can pull any camp but the easy pull camp as radiant, game too hard TT


Easy pull as dire is like 10x times easier...
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 28 2013 12:35 GMT
#74566
On August 28 2013 21:31 Gheizen64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 21:30 Targe wrote:
I seriously don't get how you can pull any camp but the easy pull camp as radiant, game too hard TT


Easy pull as dire is like 10x times easier...

both easy pulls are pretty easy tbh
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
August 28 2013 13:10 GMT
#74567
They were easy before they reworked the creep tethering, now you can only do it with half the camps.
Obscenely easy if you're wisp though.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 28 2013 13:27 GMT
#74568
Pull through is better but riskier, especially if you're own. It's easy to screw up if you're not 100% sure what you're doing, and if you do screw up then you've just given the enemy offlaner a ton of XP and made your carry very unhappy.
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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
August 28 2013 13:31 GMT
#74569
Is it time to duel?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
August 28 2013 13:53 GMT
#74570
pull through with radiant is easy, it's infinitely harder on dire
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
August 28 2013 13:55 GMT
#74571
its not only harder with dire, its also much easier for the offlaner to screw with the pull.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 28 2013 14:23 GMT
#74572
On August 28 2013 22:27 Firebolt145 wrote:
Pull through is better but riskier, especially if you're own. It's easy to screw up if you're not 100% sure what you're doing, and if you do screw up then you've just given the enemy offlaner a ton of XP and made your carry very unhappy.

How does exp interact when opposing champs are near the same natural camp? Is it a binary state of who which side gets the last hit(creep or hero)? Also, if we do a pull through, how can we prevent the offlaner from soaking up that exp, or spot that they are going to try for it?

Its always the little details that get me in dota.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 14:33:35
August 28 2013 14:25 GMT
#74573
Pull XP is completely binary. So long as neutrals last-hit your creeps and you or your creeps last hit the neutrals, the offlaner gets NOTHING no matter where he is.

The flip side to that being if the offlaner can snipe a creep from your pull he gets all the XP (and gold) and you get none. Also denying your creeps actually gives him XP whereas letting the neuts kill them doesn't (the balance being that if you time your last-hit perfectly he can't last-hit it himself so you ensure he doesn't get full gold/xp).
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 28 2013 14:26 GMT
#74574
Sn0_Man got it all pretty much.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 28 2013 14:30 GMT
#74575
Thanks, that is good to know. I have learn to stop assuming I know how something works in Dota 2 and just ask instead. Since I play support so much, pulling is sort of my thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dmcRedgrave
Profile Joined August 2013
United States25 Posts
August 28 2013 15:00 GMT
#74576
I'm sure I'm late to the party but has anyone else seen the supposed leaked 6.79 patchnotes?

UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED

http://pastebin.com/BpiEBqeP
Watch me stream Dota 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426477
Altsa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Finland990 Posts
August 28 2013 15:02 GMT
#74577
On August 29 2013 00:00 dmcRedgrave wrote:
I'm sure I'm late to the party but has anyone else seen the supposed leaked 6.79 patchnotes?

UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED

http://pastebin.com/BpiEBqeP


Well late indeed, saw it over a week ago. Nevertheless, one of those changelogs I´d hope to be even partially true
AoD
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 28 2013 15:03 GMT
#74578
There already was a thread about this, you need to be quite gullible to believe that, the english used is below normal standard, some changes make no sense at all, and many cannot be implemented in wc3.

It is fake
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
August 28 2013 15:03 GMT
#74579
On August 29 2013 00:02 Altsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 00:00 dmcRedgrave wrote:
I'm sure I'm late to the party but has anyone else seen the supposed leaked 6.79 patchnotes?

UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED

http://pastebin.com/BpiEBqeP


Well late indeed, saw it over a week ago. Nevertheless, one of those changelogs I´d hope to be even partially true


The treant change would be interesting, I've always wanted to see more day/night impacts.
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 28 2013 15:26 GMT
#74580
hmmm I like how Blitz set aside his academic career to pursue progaming. Always fucking love people who can and willing to do such. I hope him all the best in Korea but alot of rumors has been saying that [A] is also going over there for the $$$
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