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On August 28 2013 20:01 StoRm_res wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 19:56 739 wrote: Single rule
1. You pull single stack of creeps when You want to push the lane 2. You pull the double stack of creeps when You dont want to push the lane Exception: you can deny a whole creep wave using a single alpha wolf camp in 3v1 u pretty much always single pull and pull second camp (and third for radiant)
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On August 28 2013 19:54 Sbrubbles wrote: Question: when you're support, is there any reason to stack creeps before pulling if there's nothing that will prevent you from doing a pull-through? I see plenty of people who do that, but I'm guessing it's because they aren't sure of the pull-through timing (especially on dire side).
Single stack pullthrough feels much better. You actually kill two camps instead of getting the odd ogre and a centaur baby and the entire wave is still denied. Also less risk of the odd what-ever-nuke from somebody contesting the pull gets several creeps.
Pull through gets 10/10 from EmilA.
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whenever i see any pro thats streaming queuing with sheever they seem to be losing
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I seriously don't get how you can pull any camp but the easy pull camp as radiant, game too hard TT
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On August 28 2013 21:30 Targe wrote: I seriously don't get how you can pull any camp but the easy pull camp as radiant, game too hard TT
Easy pull as dire is like 10x times easier...
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On August 28 2013 21:31 Gheizen64 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 21:30 Targe wrote: I seriously don't get how you can pull any camp but the easy pull camp as radiant, game too hard TT Easy pull as dire is like 10x times easier... both easy pulls are pretty easy tbh
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They were easy before they reworked the creep tethering, now you can only do it with half the camps. Obscenely easy if you're wisp though.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
Pull through is better but riskier, especially if you're own. It's easy to screw up if you're not 100% sure what you're doing, and if you do screw up then you've just given the enemy offlaner a ton of XP and made your carry very unhappy.
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pull through with radiant is easy, it's infinitely harder on dire
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its not only harder with dire, its also much easier for the offlaner to screw with the pull.
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On August 28 2013 22:27 Firebolt145 wrote: Pull through is better but riskier, especially if you're own. It's easy to screw up if you're not 100% sure what you're doing, and if you do screw up then you've just given the enemy offlaner a ton of XP and made your carry very unhappy. How does exp interact when opposing champs are near the same natural camp? Is it a binary state of who which side gets the last hit(creep or hero)? Also, if we do a pull through, how can we prevent the offlaner from soaking up that exp, or spot that they are going to try for it?
Its always the little details that get me in dota.
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Pull XP is completely binary. So long as neutrals last-hit your creeps and you or your creeps last hit the neutrals, the offlaner gets NOTHING no matter where he is.
The flip side to that being if the offlaner can snipe a creep from your pull he gets all the XP (and gold) and you get none. Also denying your creeps actually gives him XP whereas letting the neuts kill them doesn't (the balance being that if you time your last-hit perfectly he can't last-hit it himself so you ensure he doesn't get full gold/xp).
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
Sn0_Man got it all pretty much.
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Thanks, that is good to know. I have learn to stop assuming I know how something works in Dota 2 and just ask instead. Since I play support so much, pulling is sort of my thing.
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I'm sure I'm late to the party but has anyone else seen the supposed leaked 6.79 patchnotes?
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http://pastebin.com/BpiEBqeP
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On August 29 2013 00:00 dmcRedgrave wrote:I'm sure I'm late to the party but has anyone else seen the supposed leaked 6.79 patchnotes? UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMED UNCONFIRMEDhttp://pastebin.com/BpiEBqeP
Well late indeed, saw it over a week ago. Nevertheless, one of those changelogs I´d hope to be even partially true
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There already was a thread about this, you need to be quite gullible to believe that, the english used is below normal standard, some changes make no sense at all, and many cannot be implemented in wc3.
It is fake
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On August 29 2013 00:02 Altsa wrote:Well late indeed, saw it over a week ago. Nevertheless, one of those changelogs I´d hope to be even partially true 
The treant change would be interesting, I've always wanted to see more day/night impacts.
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hmmm I like how Blitz set aside his academic career to pursue progaming. Always fucking love people who can and willing to do such. I hope him all the best in Korea but alot of rumors has been saying that [A] is also going over there for the $$$
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