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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
December 15 2010 08:34 GMT
#261
Can't wait for it to start! Don't even know whom to root for. Many of my favorites are in the same group
Comrade
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden102 Posts
December 15 2010 08:36 GMT
#262
oGs is so over represented lol. Feel bad for them being so clogged up in the same groups except for ensnare.
Fighting capitalist macro everywhere
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
December 15 2010 08:37 GMT
#263
These groups have no balance in them what so ever, I mean some of them players only have to practice 1 match up, you'd think they would try to fix these.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
December 15 2010 08:42 GMT
#264
On December 15 2010 17:37 dRaW wrote:
These groups have no balance in them what so ever, I mean some of them players only have to practice 1 match up, you'd think they would try to fix these.


And that doesn't even matter. If they're truly the best player, they can beat everyone, so it doesn't matter who/what race they face.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
December 15 2010 08:44 GMT
#265
Couldn't GSL have just made groups by seed, through GSL point rankings?
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 15 2010 08:47 GMT
#266
On December 15 2010 17:44 teamsolid wrote:
Couldn't GSL have just made groups by seed, through GSL point rankings?

Possibly but then you would have rigged groups accusations which no doubt will come if this happens.
To make sure there aren't any accusations on GOM they made it public and fair. As you could see on a screenshot of past pages you saw IdrA and other players attending the draw which was based on GSL point rankings.
This is fair and will prevent of any rigging groups by GOM.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
December 15 2010 08:49 GMT
#267
I think even it this isn't random, it's doing a pretty good job.

having more than 1 of each race is more likely to lead to at least 1 of that race from that group surviving, leading to a more interesting Ro16 and above, instead of just having the later rounds be dominated by 1 race.

just my 2c though.
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
December 15 2010 08:51 GMT
#268
Group E & F look fierce!
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 15 2010 08:54 GMT
#269
On December 15 2010 17:49 johanngrunt wrote:
I think even it this isn't random, it's doing a pretty good job.

having more than 1 of each race is more likely to lead to at least 1 of that race from that group surviving, leading to a more interesting Ro16 and above, instead of just having the later rounds be dominated by 1 race.

just my 2c though.

The Ro16 u mean 2nd groupstage right? Although that is a groupstage consisting of 16 players :p
Seems that line implies u think it'll be a single elimination and if ur not then my apologies for this comment and disregard it then :D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
December 15 2010 09:21 GMT
#270
Group F is freaking me out.
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
December 15 2010 09:22 GMT
#271
They system they used to distribute players is similar like that of the champions league in Europe. Top 8 seeds get a group. 9-16 then get seeded then the others are scattered around, they do stop teams from the same country getting put into the same group but with 8 ogs players that wasn't going to happen was it. Every player is playing for themselves regardless of team, so they are drawn as individuals. This drawing method works in the mos prestigious football tournament in the world (other than the world cup) so it surely works for starcraft.
戦いの中に答えはある
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
December 15 2010 09:46 GMT
#272
Anyone know if nada is sick TvP ^_^?
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
December 15 2010 09:50 GMT
#273
i thought that best 3 in code s points, aka first second and third season champion have some benefits for winning?
something like choosing who the play against?
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 15 2010 10:12 GMT
#274
On December 15 2010 18:46 dahornnn wrote:
Anyone know if nada is sick TvP ^_^?


Nada seems to be able to play a very good macro game. That should give him an equal footing against a strong late game race, protoss.
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
December 15 2010 10:30 GMT
#275
so how does this work, I suppose these will be the groups for just the first tournament of 2011? And then they do other groups for other tournaments?
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
December 15 2010 10:32 GMT
#276
Group F is gonna be oGs clan war -_-
Also, how were these groups formed? Random method or what? I'm asking because there are a lot of groups that will be team members vs each other, and that's not cool, because it tends to lead to some freaky mind games, which not a lot of people like to watch.
tertle
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia328 Posts
December 15 2010 10:42 GMT
#277
If you ask me, it doesn't look random.

Looks like they seeded the top 8 players into seperate groups then filled the rest in randomly.
Matrim
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom16 Posts
December 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#278
Yes they seeded the top 8 players into each of the eight groups then randomly populated the rest.

This makes sense. I personally like this as it creates widely differing fields and any other method involves peoples judgement or favouritism in either direction.

Looking forward to it...
But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom
noproblem
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom161 Posts
December 15 2010 10:57 GMT
#279
How is TSL.sSKS (tester) code S? He never made it past the prelims in the last two GSLs. Not saying he doesn't deserve it after his domination of the beta period but it is a little surprising.
(╯°□°)╯︵ du
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 15 2010 11:29 GMT
#280
tester got code S for reaching top 8 in GSL 1. There are multiple players who only did well in 1 GSL and didnt even reach another one, nada is one too for example.

As for the groups, completely random like this with only seeding the top 8 (which are basically the GSL finalists + hongun & ensnare) is the best way to do it. Placing players by race, team or nationality would be fairly rediculous.
Placing by race would mean alot less mirrors and though many might like to watch those they ARE simply a part of the game. THe underrepresented races (P & Z) would basically never face a mirror in the first rounds then which would make it easier for them and it would be a bad way to conceal real player skill. Placing by team would be even more stupid as being in a great team would be too advantageous then, for example if you were in ogs you would automatically evade about 7 players then, playing in a team should never ever give a direct advantage like that.
Finally placing by nationality is silly, it's 90% korean and 10% foreigner anyway. There is no good reason to not let the foreigners run into eachother really.
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