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[Q] Bisu Hotkeys?

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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
June 03 2009 02:07 GMT
#1
Anyone know what hotkeys Bisu uses? I feel very uncomfortable with using 0 or 9 for Nexus, it just seems "awkward"

Is it recommended to hotkey observers? How about HT's or DT's? Robo Facility?

How many hotkeys are usually enough for a P army? 1~4?
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Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
June 03 2009 02:12 GMT
#2
his hotkeys are interesting.

he changes them a lot. but correct me if i'm wrong, i think he uses 1 for scouting probe and 2 for probe doing building. he hotkeys with 2 a lot. also i think his first gateway is on 3 (i'm doing this off memory i can't be sure) later on he changes and has 4-9 gates and 0 the natural nexus. he also uses 5 for stargate and 6 for robo pvz. like i said he changes his hotkeys and his multitasking is amazing because of it.
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Sets
Profile Joined February 2009
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 02:45:15
June 03 2009 02:42 GMT
#3
All I know is that he starts off with 4 on nexus. Later on he keeps 6~9 as gateways. Everything else depends on the game.

For a max protoss army, you would need up to 5, but that's assuming you're going to hotkey your entire army.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
June 03 2009 03:15 GMT
#4
4 at nexus?
Yeah go Bisu! I knew I wouldn't have to switch to 0nexus when I playe toss
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
June 03 2009 03:25 GMT
#5
0/9 nexus is sooo nice T_T
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 03 2009 03:32 GMT
#6
check out his replay that's still on the left hand sidebar.

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Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
June 03 2009 04:32 GMT
#7
I always used 4 for Nexus (most likely cuz i copied bisu)
I find that it is really good early game because i can just keep my hand on my left side.
Instead of pressing P, u just click the probe icon after pressing 4.

When mid game comes (or when i get my 2nd nexus), i'll start using 9/10 for nexus.
but early game, i find 4 is not bad

1-2 = units/scouting
3 = robo early on then into units too
4 = nexus (later mid game becomes units too)
5-8 = gateways

late game, you should use F2-F4
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
June 03 2009 05:04 GMT
#8
he uses 5 for observer in pvt/pvp
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Everywhere
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States97 Posts
June 03 2009 06:20 GMT
#9
I would've thought that the only logical reason for using 4 for Nexus is because they were using DVORAK. 0-9 seems much more intuitive otherwise.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 06:43:37
June 03 2009 06:31 GMT
#10
0 and 9 nexus sucks. i explained some of bisu's hotkey in -_-'s guide.

I saw some Bisu fpvod and I realized he uses F keys for his expansions and he doesn't even hotkey any other nexuses other than the main (4). What he does is do 4p then F key to some natural or some other expo, click the nexus and press p.


The rest of his hotkeys can be looked up in his replays.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 03 2009 06:58 GMT
#11
Wait, so you arent considered a total noob for clicking the probe icon?

Thank god.
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Everywhere
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States97 Posts
June 03 2009 06:58 GMT
#12
On June 03 2009 15:31 Kentor wrote:
0 and 9 nexus sucks. i explained some of bisu's hotkey in -_-'s guide.

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I saw some Bisu fpvod and I realized he uses F keys for his expansions and he doesn't even hotkey any other nexuses other than the main (4). What he does is do 4p then F key to some natural or some other expo, click the nexus and press p.


The rest of his hotkeys can be looked up in his replays.


Fairly certain 0p9p is faster than 4pF3clickp, as well as much more useful when you have to build probes while micro-ing (no screen change necessary for 0p9p). Completely disregarding 0 9 nexus because you found a comfortable setup is...unwise.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 07:20:58
June 03 2009 07:06 GMT
#13
The problem with 0 and 9 is precisely that it makes you reluctant to change the screen. You make the probes but you forget to send them to mine. Also since you already have the F keys set up, it's great for transferring workers and storm dodging etc. Also 0 and 9 keys are way too far from your F keys in general. Double tapping 0 or 9 purely to change screens is also bad because you have to bring your hand out of position, not to mention you are deselecting whatever you had selected. Also 0, and 9 for that matter, can be put to greater use; for example, Stork uses 0 for robotics, and I bet he does 0 o for observers. So no, it is not unwise to disregard 0 and 9 nexus at all.
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
June 03 2009 07:11 GMT
#14
On June 03 2009 16:06 Kentor wrote:
The problem with 0 and 9 is precisely that it makes you reluctant to change the screen. You make the probes but you forget to send them to mine. Also since you already have the F keys set up, it's great for transferring workers and storm dodging etc. Also 0 and 9 keys are way too far from your F keys in general. So no, it is not unwise to disregard 0 and 9 nexus at all.


I was about to say that. And I know it since I changed from 09 to using the F keys and 4 for my initial nex.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 03 2009 09:41 GMT
#15
Use 0 and 9 if you're comfortable with it. We don't have Bisu's 350-400APM, so don't think you can pull off his hotkey setup...or that you'd even benefit at all from trying.

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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
June 03 2009 09:44 GMT
#16
A key thing to hotkeys is that you need to shift them around throughout the game in a way that maximizes the APM you have available. This really does vary depending on your individual play style and comfort. I wouldn't bother trying to copy the exact keys a progamer uses but rather understand the way they think about using hotkeys and try to replicate the thought processes.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
June 03 2009 12:26 GMT
#17
stork and jangbi use 4 as nexus aswell

so yea.........
bisu fanboy
ChoboOv
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada126 Posts
June 03 2009 14:08 GMT
#18
Use hot keys that are comfortable to you. It doesn't matter what someone else uses as they may have a different play style and maybe more comfortable using different keys in specific situations.

Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 03 2009 14:09 GMT
#19
I like using '0' for my main nexus just because it's close to the 'p' button, every other race I play I use '4'. As for obs, HTs, and DTs, depends on the situation. If you're harassing with DTs then hotkey them by themselves, if you're going all in and not using them to kill workers then you can just group them with army. I like keeping my HTs in with the rest of the army instead of separate hotkeys, during battle it's easier, for me, to look for my HTs so I can get a location on them before I move/storm. In late game it's difficult to have enough hotkeys, again this is for e, to have separate ones for HTs so I don't bother. Also, HTs -> Archons makes it easier to send archons without sending in the rest of my HTs. Obs, if you have decent APM include them in the army and just double or ctrl click them to move them out of danger/into mine fields. You can always separate hotkey to make sure they're safe though.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
June 03 2009 14:35 GMT
#20
On June 03 2009 21:26 fearus wrote:
stork and jangbi use 4 as nexus aswell

so yea.........

jangbi uses 1
Just use whatever feels most comfortable.
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Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
June 03 2009 14:38 GMT
#21
It's absolutely pointless to try and change the hotkeys you are used to, since it'll just scew your play so badly. As PH pointed out, Bisu's hotkeys work for Bisu, mine work for me and yours probably work for you.
I use 8p9p0p just because I'm used to it. 3-7 are gates, 1-2 (later 3, 4 and 5 (possibly 6)) are units.
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PrinceOfControl
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway159 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-03 14:57:10
June 03 2009 14:54 GMT
#22
1 units
2 observer/units
3 observer/units
4 nexus/units
5-9 gateway
0 robo

but yeah, use whatever fits for you ~
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