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CSN
Profile Joined February 2009
United States175 Posts
June 08 2009 03:50 GMT
#3281
On June 08 2009 12:40 unknown.sam wrote:
with the lakers up 2-0 the championship is pretty much theirs...my research tells me only about 3-4 (correct me if i'm wrong) have come back from 0-2 down to win in the finals. so history is definitely on the lakers' side


the lakers dont need history... they got kobe.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 08 2009 04:02 GMT
#3282
Hey everyone ... my cousin and I are going to be holding weekly podcasts talking about NBA stuff next season. We're doing a few for the Finals and this offseason as well.

We've just finished our first this morning (putting it up a bit late, sorry). I apologize in advance for my shitty mic and my voice sounds a bit monotone T_T!

But give it a listen if you want (~23 mins).

Podcast 1 : HERE

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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 08 2009 04:54 GMT
#3283
On June 08 2009 12:40 unknown.sam wrote:
with the lakers up 2-0 the championship is pretty much theirs...my research tells me only about 3-4 (correct me if i'm wrong) have come back from 0-2 down to win in the finals. so history is definitely on the lakers' side


I heard that teams up n points with n minutes remaining have an 80% chance of winning from the MIT stat conference. After watching the clippers lose a huge lead to the cavs, I figured out the obvious problem with this statistic (though one game doesn't disprove it): it's a correlation masquerading as causation.

A better team is more likely to win the game, and they're more likely to be up n points with n minutes remaining. Of course the clippers had a better chance of winning from being up however many points, but I doubt it would be 80% if they faced the cavs from that situation over and over again. Just like a better team is more likely to win game 1 of a series and more likely to have home court advantage, and Phil Jackson's uber-teams were more likely to win game 1s.

In this case, this is a realistic prediction: Orlando has to go 4-1 to win, and the lakers are likely to be the better team (and therefore have a greater chance of winning the first two games). Of course if Orlando wins 2 at home (I'd give this less than a 50% chance of happening), and convincingly, this all changes. I'm mentioning this because I hate the fake historic statistics announcers pull out, like the celtics game 7 stats and so on.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 08 2009 05:10 GMT
#3284
Yup. A lot of those stats are useless anyway because those take into the account the eras before free agency and expansion - so you had "super" teams the likes of which you'd never have these days that could easily keep winning. It's very rare to have 2 or even 3 superstars on a team for 6-7 years straight.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 06:40:02
June 08 2009 06:36 GMT
#3285
On June 08 2009 14:10 Ace wrote:
Yup. A lot of those stats are useless anyway because those take into the account the eras before free agency and expansion - so you had "super" teams the likes of which you'd never have these days that could easily keep winning. It's very rare to have 2 or even 3 superstars on a team for 6-7 years straight.

okay let's forget about the nba in it's earlier years and focus on the last 10 nba finals where a team went up 2-0 in the finals.

1999
SAS 2-0 ----> eventual champions

2000
LAL 2-0 ----> eventual champions

2002
LAL 2-0 ----> eventual champions

2005
SAS 2-0 ----> eventual champions

2006
MAVS 2-0 ----> last team to lose series after going up 2-0

2007
SAS 2-0 ----> eventual champions

2008
BOS 2-0 ----> eventual champions

2009
LAL 2-0 ----> ???


so you can see that 6 of the past 7 championships in the past 10 years have gone to the team that went up 2-0. now i know it doesn't mean jack and it certainly isn't concrete evidence as to who will win this year's crown, but it's just interesting to note. and if you want to play the percentages history says the lakers have the better chance of claiming the Larry O'Brien Trophy.



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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 08 2009 06:44 GMT
#3286
how about they will win because they're vastly better? lol.

Farmar and Vujacic are still sucking, Shannon Brown is playing limited minutes, and Bynum isn't being very effective.

Odom and Gasol have been outstanding... Fisher, Walton, and Ariza have been very solid. Kobe has been Kobe.

that's all the Lakers need.

imagine if the rest of their bench wasn't playing like garbage. even IF Orlando wasn't playing horribly, they wouldn't stand a chance.
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Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
June 08 2009 06:52 GMT
#3287
On June 08 2009 12:50 CSN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 12:40 unknown.sam wrote:
with the lakers up 2-0 the championship is pretty much theirs...my research tells me only about 3-4 (correct me if i'm wrong) have come back from 0-2 down to win in the finals. so history is definitely on the lakers' side


the lakers dont need history... they got kobe.


Hmm they had kobe today and they almost lost. Good thing the magic isn't very good.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 08 2009 07:56 GMT
#3288
Gasol's the one who has been unexpectedly shutting down Howard, albeit with help. There's no way Orlando can win against a team as good as the lakers with a marginalized Howard.
People have been looking to Bynum as the answer, but imagine what would happen if the lakers had Bynum and Kwame Brown.

I kind of want to watch USA vs Spain again to see if he matched up with Howard.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 14:18:29
June 08 2009 12:36 GMT
#3289
Watching D12 in the post is so aggrevating BECAUSE of Shaq. What happens when you give the ball to Shaq (old or young) within 3 feet of the hoop. He goes up and dunks it and no one on the planet can fucking stop him. We've all see than power move. What happens when Dwight gets it down there? 30% of the time he does that move, the rest of the time he dicks around, holding the ball way too low, and comes up without any power. Usually he gets a foul called so it's ok, but he gets nothing when a team like the Lakers plays great D and blocks/strips the ball.

EDIT: This is what Dwight needs to learn to do.




Related to that though is Shaq being a douche to Howard.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13418 Posts
June 08 2009 12:41 GMT
#3290
Does/did anyone really expect Orlando would win? They remind me of the Cavs in 2007 who put in a massive effort just to get their but were clearly outmatched by a more battle-hardened and experienced team.

Looks to me like they played their finals vs the Cavs and they're outta juice.

I just hope they can win a game or two.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 08 2009 13:23 GMT
#3291
On June 08 2009 21:41 RowdierBob wrote:
Does/did anyone really expect Orlando would win? They remind me of the Cavs in 2007 who put in a massive effort just to get their but were clearly outmatched by a more battle-hardened and experienced team.

Looks to me like they played their finals vs the Cavs and they're outta juice.

I just hope they can win a game or two.

I thought they had a chance, but I didn't expect Odom to actually contribute much.
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
June 08 2009 14:30 GMT
#3292
On June 08 2009 21:36 Jibba wrote:
Watching D12 in the post is so aggrevating BECAUSE of Shaq. What happens when you give the ball to Shaq (old or young) within 3 feet of the hoop. He goes up and dunks it and no one on the planet can fucking stop him. We've all see than power move. What happens when Dwight gets it down there? 30% of the time he does that move, the rest of the time he dicks around, holding the ball way too low, and comes up without any power. Usually he gets a foul called so it's ok, but he gets nothing when a team like the Lakers plays great D and blocks/strips the ball.

EDIT: This is what Dwight needs to learn to do.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKLmrmAg84


there is a chance dwight could learn this but i fear he is not as physically imposing as shaq was back in the day. dwight is what 6'11 260-280?? shaq is 7'1 and proly 320-350 at that time although i believe he was listed at 315. so size alone dwight is at a pretty big disadvantage and i honestly doubt he'll be able to do what shaq has been doing for practically his whole career. BUT i believe howard will succeed where shaq failed miserably (i.e. FTs)
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72AND10
Profile Joined January 2009
United States93 Posts
June 08 2009 16:37 GMT
#3293
On June 08 2009 21:41 RowdierBob wrote:
Does/did anyone really expect Orlando would win? They remind me of the Cavs in 2007 who put in a massive effort just to get their but were clearly outmatched by a more battle-hardened and experienced team.

Looks to me like they played their finals vs the Cavs and they're outta juice.

I just hope they can win a game or two.


Yeah I don't think anyone really expected Orlando to win. I think it was the ESPN polls that displayed Florida being the only state to think Orlando would win the finals for obvious reasons.

After watching the first two games, I can't agree with you more. Although Orlando says they want to win the championship, it still looks as if they're a team that's only going through the motions. The Lakers are the better, more experienced team and they will simply find a way to win no matter how each game or the series evolves.

On to some of the posts regarding Howard. I doubt he'll ever have the dominance of Shaq. As someone mentioned, he's at a disadvantage when it comes to size. But more importantly, he doesn't have the post moves or the footwork of Shaq either.

Second, Howard isn't a person to "shutdown." If you put a big enough body on him, he will struggle to get his points in the post because his post game is pretty much non-existent. The same way he struggled against Perkins is the same way he'll struggle against the Lakers. Big Z is just a joke of a defender so of course Howard will have his way with him. But when there is a big enough body guarding him, most of Howard's points will come from offensive rebounds or catching the ball deep in the key.
CSN
Profile Joined February 2009
United States175 Posts
June 08 2009 16:58 GMT
#3294
On June 08 2009 15:52 Monoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 12:50 CSN wrote:
On June 08 2009 12:40 unknown.sam wrote:
with the lakers up 2-0 the championship is pretty much theirs...my research tells me only about 3-4 (correct me if i'm wrong) have come back from 0-2 down to win in the finals. so history is definitely on the lakers' side


the lakers dont need history... they got kobe.


Hmm they had kobe today and they almost lost. Good thing the magic isn't very good.



i meant to win the championship not win every game geez
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 08 2009 17:49 GMT
#3295
On June 09 2009 01:58 CSN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 15:52 Monoxide wrote:
On June 08 2009 12:50 CSN wrote:
On June 08 2009 12:40 unknown.sam wrote:
with the lakers up 2-0 the championship is pretty much theirs...my research tells me only about 3-4 (correct me if i'm wrong) have come back from 0-2 down to win in the finals. so history is definitely on the lakers' side


the lakers dont need history... they got kobe.


Hmm they had kobe today and they almost lost. Good thing the magic isn't very good.



i meant to win the championship not win every game geez


this is precisely why Orlando has no chance to win. the Lakers as a team played pretty badly, but Orlando couldn't even capitalize on it and win. If they can't win when LA is playing badly, how can they win when LA plays well (aka Game 1)
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72AND10
Profile Joined January 2009
United States93 Posts
June 08 2009 17:55 GMT
#3296
Even in game 1 LA was average. But they definitely played worse in game 2 :D

And yeah... Kobe's skill, talent, determination, etc. = championship. There's no way he is going to let this opportunity slip out of his hands.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
June 08 2009 17:59 GMT
#3297
How many fucking times did Howard get the goddamn ball stripped in the paint? Fuck.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
72AND10
Profile Joined January 2009
United States93 Posts
June 08 2009 18:05 GMT
#3298
Too many times.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
June 08 2009 18:10 GMT
#3299
yea, eesh
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
June 08 2009 18:51 GMT
#3300
howard only had 1 dunk that whole game, didn't he? and that was his first dunk of the series so far. he needs to be holding the ball higher, like jibba said, and start throwing the damn thing down
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