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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 22 2009 07:33 GMT
#2061
he doesn't need to take every shot... Fisher has hit 3904853490 big shots in his career, especially for a role player. Kobe trusts him more than anyone else on the team, and he gave Fisher a wide open look but it didn't go in. as Kobe said, he'll live with Fisher taking that shot.
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 22 2009 07:38 GMT
#2062
Nobody should be angry or surprised at the play at the end. It would all be on stuff that allowed them to get into that situation in the first place.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 22 2009 07:40 GMT
#2063
On May 22 2009 16:38 MYM.Testie wrote:
Nobody should be angry or surprised at the play at the end. It would all be on stuff that allowed them to get into that situation in the first place.



yep.. I had a banquet to go to tonight, but I was able to watch the first quarter and was thinking to myself "ahhh Lakers are playing very strong, I can leave and eat in peace now" ... then my friend text's me "nuggets win" - quite disappointing, although I'm sorta glad I didn't get to watch the game because I would have no doubt been pissed.
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Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
May 22 2009 10:28 GMT
#2064
What happened in the final seconds?? I didn't watch the end.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 22 2009 14:46 GMT
#2065
On May 22 2009 14:46 BalliSLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2009 14:19 Jibba wrote:
On May 22 2009 14:12 BalliSLife wrote:
I don't know if you guys read the article yesterday but george karls son played for the lakers for one season last year or something and he did spill some secrets on what to do to beat them.


curious?

Outscore them in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters combined.

+ Show Spoiler +
I doubt he "gave" them anything that was useful.


HA, too bad you're WRONG! that very thing that he spilled actually worked tonight as i'm looking through the stats, as long as enough people beg me here, i will eventually give it out.

source it
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-22 14:59:08
May 22 2009 14:57 GMT
#2066
http://slamonline.com/online/news-rumors/the-wire/2009/05/stop-snitching-coby-karl/

I would be shocked if he told them anything they didn't already know, besides the Mickey Mouse thing. It's not like the Lakers have a different offense than what they've been running for the past 160+ games, and George and Phil already know what the other does, plus defensive assignments are totally different this year with the roster changes.

The "stats" are that Lamar Odom has been playing terribly, which he has been known to do.
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
May 22 2009 15:27 GMT
#2067
Looks too familiar... Pistons vs Lakers anybody?
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13433 Posts
May 22 2009 15:37 GMT
#2068
Melo is such a monster on the off boards.

Kobe has really impressed with his clutch shooting this series, but he really needs some help down the stretch.

Go Nuggets!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
May 22 2009 15:43 GMT
#2069
What Kobe needs is a Pippen +_+a
Myst-
Profile Joined May 2009
United States96 Posts
May 22 2009 16:04 GMT
#2070
Odom, Gasol, Fisher are all good players but they're too fucking inconsistent. If Odom played up to his potential EVERY game, then the Lakers would be a much tougher team to beat.

Kobe trusts Fisher the most and I'm sure he had no problem with him taking the last shot(Fisher, Rick Fox are two of my favorite Lakers, ever).

As for the East, the so called "experts" picked the hyped Cavs/Lebron over the Magic. Lebron is the best player in the league, but he can't do it alone. Cleveland doesn't match-up well with Orlando, at all. Lebron can guard anyone on the floor, but the rest of his team can't.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 22 2009 16:22 GMT
#2071
On May 23 2009 00:43 FreeZEternal wrote:
What Kobe needs is a Pippen +_+a


You mean a Shaq :-)

Just teasing, very enjoyable series though. Since I am not a diehard fan of either team I can just kick back and enjoy!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 22 2009 16:23 GMT
#2072
On May 22 2009 23:57 Jibba wrote:
http://slamonline.com/online/news-rumors/the-wire/2009/05/stop-snitching-coby-karl/

I would be shocked if he told them anything they didn't already know, besides the Mickey Mouse thing. It's not like the Lakers have a different offense than what they've been running for the past 160+ games, and George and Phil already know what the other does, plus defensive assignments are totally different this year with the roster changes.

The "stats" are that Lamar Odom has been playing terribly, which he has been known to do.

LOL. wonder if they used space jam
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 22 2009 16:33 GMT
#2073
On May 23 2009 01:04 Myst- wrote:
Lebron is the best player in the league, but he can't do it alone. Cleveland doesn't match-up well with Orlando, at all. Lebron can guard anyone on the floor, but the rest of his team can't.

Hold on a second. The Magic won by 1 point in a final possession game, with Mo Williams shooting under 33% and one of the worst coaching jobs ever by Mike Brown, while the Magic played a great game. People are talking as if the Cavs are screwed, when if anything they underperformed in that game besides Blackhole 'Bron.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
May 22 2009 16:34 GMT
#2074
Lamar plays poorly off the bench. Fisher was a good player. Gasol's pretty consistent, although he sometimes he just rips off 10 offensive putbacks.

I think Ariza's consistent, in terms of fastbreaks and steals. Vujacic and Walton are consistently mediocre. You're not asking them to wake up, you're asking them to have one of their best games of the season.

Bynum and Farmar are the inconsistent ones. Shannon brown's a mystery but seems good.
Myst-
Profile Joined May 2009
United States96 Posts
May 22 2009 16:52 GMT
#2075
On May 23 2009 01:33 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2009 01:04 Myst- wrote:
Lebron is the best player in the league, but he can't do it alone. Cleveland doesn't match-up well with Orlando, at all. Lebron can guard anyone on the floor, but the rest of his team can't.

Hold on a second. The Magic won by 1 point in a final possession game, with Mo Williams shooting under 33% and one of the worst coaching jobs ever by Mike Brown, while the Magic played a great game. People are talking as if the Cavs are screwed, when if anything they underperformed in that game besides Blackhole 'Bron.


Most players will tell you; A loss is a loss. Who gives a fuck about the margin. I didn't say the Cavs were screwed, just that they don't match up well. Who can guard Lewis, Howard and Turkuglu? Lebron can't guard all 3.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-22 17:02:34
May 22 2009 16:57 GMT
#2076
On May 23 2009 01:52 Myst- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2009 01:33 Jibba wrote:
On May 23 2009 01:04 Myst- wrote:
Lebron is the best player in the league, but he can't do it alone. Cleveland doesn't match-up well with Orlando, at all. Lebron can guard anyone on the floor, but the rest of his team can't.

Hold on a second. The Magic won by 1 point in a final possession game, with Mo Williams shooting under 33% and one of the worst coaching jobs ever by Mike Brown, while the Magic played a great game. People are talking as if the Cavs are screwed, when if anything they underperformed in that game besides Blackhole 'Bron.


Most players will tell you; A loss is a loss. Who gives a fuck about the margin. I didn't say the Cavs were screwed, just that they don't match up well. Who can guard Lewis, Howard and Turkuglu? Lebron can't guard all 3.
And who can guard Lebron and Williams? The point is the Cavs shot uncharacteristically poorly, besides Lebron, and still almost won the game. If Williams' shot goes in, the tune around here is totally different.
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Eniram
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Sudan3166 Posts
May 22 2009 17:05 GMT
#2077
On May 23 2009 01:52 Myst- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2009 01:33 Jibba wrote:
On May 23 2009 01:04 Myst- wrote:
Lebron is the best player in the league, but he can't do it alone. Cleveland doesn't match-up well with Orlando, at all. Lebron can guard anyone on the floor, but the rest of his team can't.

Hold on a second. The Magic won by 1 point in a final possession game, with Mo Williams shooting under 33% and one of the worst coaching jobs ever by Mike Brown, while the Magic played a great game. People are talking as if the Cavs are screwed, when if anything they underperformed in that game besides Blackhole 'Bron.


Most players will tell you; A loss is a loss. Who gives a fuck about the margin. I didn't say the Cavs were screwed, just that they don't match up well. Who can guard Lewis, Howard and Turkuglu? Lebron can't guard all 3.

Cleveland is actually the favorite in this series.
You can like take a newb to like water, but you cant like make a newb drink. Ya know? - Jeremy
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 22 2009 17:10 GMT
#2078
On May 23 2009 01:34 igotmyown wrote:
Lamar plays poorly off the bench. Fisher was a good player. Gasol's pretty consistent, although he sometimes he just rips off 10 offensive putbacks.

I think Ariza's consistent, in terms of fastbreaks and steals. Vujacic and Walton are consistently mediocre. You're not asking them to wake up, you're asking them to have one of their best games of the season.

Bynum and Farmar are the inconsistent ones. Shannon brown's a mystery but seems good.


Lamar is definitely less impressive when coming off the bench, but he can do better than whathe's been doing. He doesn't have to score 20 pts or anything, but more than 10 pts with solid playmaking, rebounding, and defense isn't out of the question.

Fisher may be getting older, but people's expectations aren't totally out of line. He was playing quite well during the regular season, and only started slumping at the end. The Lakers just need him to play defense, initiate the offense (and ensure that he doesn't have to take anymore desperation 3s with the shotclock running out), and make open 3's.

Gasol is pretty consistent, but he really should be able to be more effective in the post against the Denver bigs. He doesn't necessarily have to score everytime, but he should be able to create for his teammates rather effectively since he has such a height advantage and can look right over Nene/KMart. I'm disappointed by the lack of non-putback scoring from Gasol because I know he can do better. I think the Lakers need to get him more touches and not go away from him as soon as he turns the ball over once or twice so he can get a rhythm going.

Ariza's been pretty consistent, and I don't have many complaints against him.

Sasha needs to start making his shots again. Maybe not like he was last year (that was just insane really), but at least be able to make the wide open shots that he got last game. He also needs to learn to play defense without slapping at the ball so damn much. Oftentimes the Lakers will play solid defense and force the Nuggets into a bad spot, only to have Sasha bail them out by being overaggressive on a player who has nowhere to go or is about to take a low-percentage shot. But really the most important part is that he's got to start making shots again. The Lakers need that 3pt shooting to keep defenses from collapsing the paint.

Walton is doing about what I'd expect from him. 3-4 assists per game, while working hard on both ends sounds about right. I wish he would shoot better, but he's never been a great shooter aside from that one season where he was one of the league leaders in 3pt shooting for 1/2 of the season (before injury). I would expect him to make open shots though, and he hasn't for the most part.

Bynum needs to wake the fuck up and get his head in the game. He constantly looks lost and allows himself to get frustrated too easily. The problem with him seems to be that his energy on defense is reliant on how his offense is going. However, he hasn't been able to score effectively from the post in the entire playoffs, so he's looking very lackluster on defense. It may be that he's still limited from recovering from his knee injury and still not being used to the brace, but he needs to just focus on rebounding and defending well. If he can shut down the paint even a little bit, the Nuggets' offense would suffer significantly. In the last game, I feel like the Lakers guards were doing a poor job of feeding the post. If Bynum or Gasol are being fronted, just lob the ball over their heads. Both of them are so tall that they're guaranteed to be the first ones to the ball and they'll be in a great position only 4-5 feet from the basket with their defender on their back.

Phil's PG usage still puzzles me. Farmar was playing pretty well in the first half last game, but then he barely played in the second half. I understand that Billups is a bad matchup for him, but Kobe was guarding him anyway and J.R. hasn't done much but shoot 3's, which Jordan should be able to do a decent job of defending. Brown has been solid, and brings a lot of energy for the Lakers (which they're lacking a lot in the playoffs). Both have done a pretty good job of knocking down open jumpshots, which is why I think the Lakers need to find a way to get them on the floor more.
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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 22 2009 17:12 GMT
#2079
On May 23 2009 01:57 Jibba wrote:And who can guard Lebron and Williams? The point is the Cavs shot uncharacteristically poorly, besides Lebron, and still almost won the game. If Williams' shot goes in, the tune around here is totally different.


To be fair, Lebron was having an AMAZING night as well, so it's not like everything for the Cavs was par aside from MoWill and Delonte. If the Magic can slow Lebron even a little (like they did multiple times during the regular season) and continue to make his teammates struggle (again like they did multiple times during the regular season), they have a great shot at winning the series.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 22 2009 17:33 GMT
#2080
did they stop lebron then, or lebron just wasn't playing fully. if his midrange shots are falling, he will get 40+ points on 55%+ shooting. orlando MUST lock down the other scoring options. either that or tire out lebron in some way
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