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On April 21 2009 11:48 sixghost wrote:
I'd like to emphasize how bad Vinny del Negro is again. 2 Games in a row the bulls have been without a timeout upon recieving the ball with less than 2 seconds left in the game.
Well he drew up some clutch plays for Gordon to tie the game, it was unfortunate for the Bulls that Doc Rivers set up a even better play.
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unfortuante that gay ray couldnt miss a shot down the stretch more than anything... altho the final play was nice
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This Ray Allen vs Ben Gordon duel brings up the hot hand research.
But are you aware that roughly one zillion studies, including a recent one that was extremely rigorous, find that there is literally no such thing as being hot?
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-90/Hot-and-Heavy--About-NBA-Shooting.html
Even with their clean methodology, sometimes I still find myself second guessing their results (more when shooters miss everything than when they hit 75%).
Hopefully TL is more educated than the typical poster on espn such as
"This article is largely what is wrong with the statistical revolution in basketball: it ignores qualitative evidence while focussing on the sort of uber-nerdery that still misses the point."
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Rondo isn't looking much like the best defensive point guard against Rose.
Wait, this is all you have to say about Rondo after he goes for 19 points, 16 assists, 12 rebounds, 5 steals and only 2 turnovers? His defense hasn't been up to snuff, agreed, but Rose is a tough guard when you only have 0.5 ankles to work with :O.
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Good read, yeah I learned in stats about something like being hot. However, I think the numbers fail to realize the mental aspect of the players.
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On April 21 2009 12:07 il0seonpurpose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2009 11:48 sixghost wrote:
I'd like to emphasize how bad Vinny del Negro is again. 2 Games in a row the bulls have been without a timeout upon recieving the ball with less than 2 seconds left in the game. Well he drew up some clutch plays for Gordon to tie the game, it was unfortunate for the Bulls that Doc Rivers set up a even better play.
I think you overestimate Vinny's role in that play. The last 3 baskets he scored weren't even plays. Rose just gave the ball to Ben and he did whatever he wanted.
It's still inexcusable to not have a timeout there. 2 seconds left and the ball at half court is a world of difference from having to inbound it at the baseline. Especially with Ben hitting everything he threw up that game.
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Well how are coaches expected to know when and when not to call a timeout then? I'm not so sure it's Negro's fault, I think he called timeouts at the right time (except the last play of course)
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agreed. He never really let Boston get their momentum going by calling crucial timeouts, and "just giving the ball to Ben Gordon" wasn't all that happened - he did catch some NICE screens on a few set plays.
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On April 21 2009 14:02 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I'm not so sure it's Negro's fault,
man... I'm such a racist T___T! but really though, the kid in me is lol'ing
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serious response though... you know Vinny is rookie coach because of the amounts of time outs he calls. however there are a few ways you can think of it:
(1) Chicago is a pretty young team so he doesn't trust them to play through difficult stretches without guidance
(2) He is a young coach and feels more comfortable having the team together to give instructions more often than not.
Either way, if you look at pro coaches such as Phil Jackson or Popovich, they almost always have 2-3 timeouts at the end of games just in case. Although you can probably credit his calling of timeouts to helping them stay in the game like they did, it ended up back firing on them because he ran out.
If he had a timeout that game was winnable, or coulda at least tied it.
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On April 21 2009 14:34 Xeris wrote:
serious response though... you know Vinny is rookie coach because of the amounts of time outs he calls. however there are a few ways you can think of it:
(1) Chicago is a pretty young team so he doesn't trust them to play through difficult stretches without guidance
(2) He is a young coach and feels more comfortable having the team together to give instructions more often than not.
Either way, if you look at pro coaches such as Phil Jackson or Popovich, they almost always have 2-3 timeouts at the end of games just in case. Although you can probably credit his calling of timeouts to helping them stay in the game like they did, it ended up back firing on them because he ran out.
If he had a timeout that game was winnable, or coulda at least tied it.
All I can think about is how perfect D'Antoni would have been with Rose, Gordon, and Chicago's young bigs.
Not that he did a bad job this year in NYC, but lol Duhon
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On April 21 2009 12:27 igotmyown wrote:This Ray Allen vs Ben Gordon duel brings up the hot hand research. But are you aware that roughly one zillion studies, including a recent one that was extremely rigorous, find that there is literally no such thing as being hot? http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-90/Hot-and-Heavy--About-NBA-Shooting.htmlEven with their clean methodology, sometimes I still find myself second guessing their results (more when shooters miss everything than when they hit 75%). Hopefully TL is more educated than the typical poster on espn such as "This article is largely what is wrong with the statistical revolution in basketball: it ignores qualitative evidence while focussing on the sort of uber-nerdery that still misses the point."
there has been similar analysis done in baseball to disprove the "clutch" hitter theory. While I acknowledge the possibilty that there is something that the formula is missing and therefore, creating a built in bias, I think it is much more likely that our own human psychology is responsible for these perceptions such as hot hand or clutch player.
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Weren't the Bulls out timeouts at the end of the game?
edit: oh. oops.
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On April 21 2009 22:06 warding wrote:
Weren't the Bulls out timeouts at the end of the game?
that's the point of the last page of the thread..
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so where are all the laker nut riders at? lol
LA vs. Cleveland....crash course to Quicken Arena
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LA vs Cleveland is going to be orgasmic as well lol. I wanna see a rematch of BOS vs LA though, Cleveland vs LA can wait for next season haha.
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On April 21 2009 23:18 FreeZEternal wrote:
LA vs Cleveland is going to be orgasmic as well lol. I wanna see a rematch of BOS vs LA though, Cleveland vs LA can wait for next season haha.
bos vs la isn't gonna happen.
cle vs la is the inevitable finals matchup, as good as other playoff matchups could be. lakers winning it all in the end of course 
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On April 21 2009 23:18 FreeZEternal wrote:
LA vs Cleveland is going to be orgasmic as well lol. I wanna see a rematch of BOS vs LA though, Cleveland vs LA can wait for next season haha.
no way, boston vs LA when boston is healthy (if KG ever gets healthy)
I wouldn't want this to be like the 86 celtics where they destroyed the league, but the lakers had a million injuries and weren't at full strength for the whole season
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