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"Relic, by contrast, has the single best RTS out today, CoH, and now DoWII to boot. They really bring the game world to life, and all the tiny little details, the contextual voiceovers, the mind-blowing graphics and the physics round out incredibly involved and intense gameplay. "
"CantFaketheFunk: Also, consider how much MONEY Blizzard invests into their products these days, and look at SC2. It really doesn't make sense to release slightly-prettier-SC when they have a unique opportunity to leverage their reputation and actually push the genre forward, with assurance of success that Relic never had."
Don't worry, escapist forums just redeemed itself with some guy named Traun
+ Show Spoiler +"Hmmm...Relic or Blizzard.
Blizzard for creting the PC gaming of today.
They popularized ( scratch that, created ) the idea of asymmetrical races in the RTS genre.
They created Diablo 2, a game that redefined RPG gameplay.
They made MMOs popular, there were MMO games, but before WoW there wasn't that much interest in the genre (no, Ultima was still a niche market )
And last, but not least - for making pro-gaming possible.
EDIT: Almost forgot - one beer to Blizzard for creating the most mod-friendly game ever (WC3) and taking care of their modding community (SC2).
Relic had a few fun game, some really good ideas, but nothing that changed things in the grand picture( admittedly they did polished the squad system, oh no, wait...that was Creative Assembly with the Total War series)."
I totally love this post, but most of all, the best thing about blizzard is that they listen to its fans more than most companies.
EDIT: quick question, is there any micro involved in these new games? (DoW/Company of Heroes)
I played the games (nothing seriously, just for a few hours) but all of these games feel so slow and the whole squad system destroys micro. I'm so happy that blizz has already confirmed that they aren't switching to the squad system.
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Registered and voted.
Guys FFS stop this pointless shit. Out community, especially the TL side, is light years away from those noobs in terms of maturity. They have yet to understand that we are actually providing COVERAGE for something that resembles a sport as much as it is a game. It IS balanced, and it IS going strong for ten years.
There is NO discussion in regards as to which is the most successful game, really. It's normal for people to favor what they know and like over what they don't know that well. For people whom Starcraft proved too hard of a game to play decently, there is DoW, and there is Relic. Seriously, my math teacher, who is fucking 40 years old, plays Diablo since it came out. He's marred with children and all that, and his fucking hardcore. I don't think hardcore fans get any more intense than that, but w/e, that's just my personal opinion.
STOP ARGUING WITH CHILDREN AND NOOBS, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER, THANX
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On March 27 2009 21:19 Hurricane wrote:
:D
You should post the one from mission 3 or 4 in vanilla when he meets kerrigan. I can't remember the exact dialogue.
something like this ?
Jim Raynor: Sarah, is that really you?
Infested Kerrigan: To an extent. I'm far more than I once was, Jim. You shouldn't have come here.
Jim Raynor: But, the dreams. I dreamed you were still alive, that somehow, you were... calling to me...
Infested Kerrigan: I was. While I was in the chrysalis, I instinctively reached out to you and Arcturus telephaticly. Apparantly, Arcturus sent Duke here to reclaim me. But that was then, Jim. I am one of the Zerg now, and I like what I am. You can't imagine how this feels.
Jim Raynor: So? What? Are you goin' to kill me now, darlin'?
Infested Kerrigan: It is certainly within my power, but you're not a threat to me, Jim. Be smart; leave here now and never seek to confront the Zerg again.
Jim Raynor: Doesn't look like I have much choice.
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On March 27 2009 21:21 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 21:19 Hurricane wrote:
:D
You should post the one from mission 3 or 4 in vanilla when he meets kerrigan. I can't remember the exact dialogue. something like this ? Jim Raynor: Sarah, is that really you? Infested Kerrigan: To an extent. I'm far more than I once was, Jim. You shouldn't have come here. Jim Raynor: But, the dreams. I dreamed you were still alive, that somehow, you were... calling to me... Infested Kerrigan: I was. While I was in the chrysalis, I instinctively reached out to you and Arcturus telephaticly. Apparantly, Arcturus sent Duke here to reclaim me. But that was then, Jim. I am one of the Zerg now, and I like what I am. You can't imagine how this feels. Jim Raynor: So? What? Are you goin' to kill me now, darlin'? Infested Kerrigan: It is certainly within my power, but you're not a threat to me, Jim. Be smart; leave here now and never seek to confront the Zerg again. Jim Raynor: Doesn't look like I have much choice.
No, terran missions on SC, not broodwar. When she's a ghost and you have to cloak her and go in and kill some guys in a cc. Then you have to build dropships and the entire bottom of the map is an island.
I'm done arguing. I've made my final point and I'm going to play popkart. Have fun trolling.
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How is relic innovative they pretty much took the concept of their latest game from DOTA
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ah these guys are boring, im over it
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On March 27 2009 19:49 Plexa wrote:
Jesus reading some of those comments make my eyes bleed
The guy that said Homeworld > All of Blizz makes me want to be like the guy in that bash.org quote and create a device that allows you to punch people in the face over the internet.
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On March 27 2009 19:22 Velr wrote:
You guys want to help to change that? Show em who made the best RTS ever.
DoW2 is so terrible it makes my brain bleed. Who needs a tech tree, anyway? *rolls eyes*
Voted Blizzard.
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On March 27 2009 21:56 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 19:49 Plexa wrote:
Jesus reading some of those comments make my eyes bleed The guy that said Homeworld > All of Blizz makes me want to be like the guy in that bash.org quote and create a device that allows you to punch people in the face over the internet.
LOL Your would fana.
Voted Blizz.
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Candrian
Yeah I registered just to vote but I've been a regular article reader for ages.
For me this isn't a very close run match up. Relic is by far the most innovative of the 2, sure Blizzard may have pushed a few envelopes 10-15 years ago but those were the days when video games were still a relatively young industry and pretty much anything could be called innovation. Nowadays Blizzard just seems to be content with going with the tried and tested formular, occasionally ripping off Games Workshop where they can just about get away with it (Don't flame me there, the jump-pack and dual-pistol wielding Terran unit in SC2 is just far too close to my favourite Warhammer 40k unit and as for Draenei, love them as i do, theyre still horned Tau)
Relic, however, continues to innovate to this day Company of Heroes, with its amazing cover system, has revolutionised the whole idea of the RTS genre and put the strategy back into a genre almost completely screwed over by Blizzards horrificly balanced zerg-rushes. Then to Dawn of war which is pretty much Star Craft 2 with all the trimmings and a good 4-5 years advance and if anything was a triumph of simple balance between the 9 completely different races. That's beating Starcraft by a factor of 3 without even trying.
Obviously a protoss player
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I haven't played or seen DoW 1/2 and I was willing to hear them out until I found this
KaiusCormere:
Whether a game is balanced enough to be an esport, doesn't have anything to do with the fun factor. For me, the fun factor of Relic's games is the great variety of races in DoW1, the cover and micro tactics, the visceral melee combat... Warcraft 3 was fun - as a campaign mode, playing through the storyline I was impressed. It's multiplayer however, I only liked the custom maps that the community made. Starcraft 2 seems to be a step backwards, imitating the tired old WC2 style gameplay of Starcraft original. Starcraft may have had a very high skill cap, but...that has nothing to do with the fun for the majority of gamers.
boring base building and resource gathering needs to stay dead IMO.
Really? I don't even need to play dow to know it is a shitty game now.
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On March 27 2009 22:06 Hurricane wrote:
I haven't played or seen DoW 1/2 and I was willing to hear them out until I found this
DoW 1 wasn't so bad. Sure, it's not something you can play competitively at the same level as Starcraft, and their network protocol could be really bad, but there were bases, there were production and tech tree buildings, there were upgrades, there were army vs. army fights (granted, most of the micro you had to do was let your troops stand there and shoot while you use their special ability), and instead of expansions there were control points.
DoW 2, though... *shudder*. It gives me nightmares to just imagine what the hell they were thinking when they designed that game.
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Sweden33719 Posts
DoW1 has base building, DoW2 doesn't - it's more of a Real Time Tactical game or something. Both have resource gathering tho, just not in the form of workers.
Anyway, Scaramanga, blatantly trolling like what you are doing there now.. I don't really see the need for giving the SC community a bad name >_< It's not a "mod-warning" or anything, just my personal opinion.
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
It's really close right now and we're behind.
(1) Activision Blizzard 49.8% (1750)
(12) Relic 50.2% (1766)
Only 19 hours left
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How do I vote without registering?
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On March 27 2009 22:26 fanatacist wrote:
How do I vote without registering?
You don't.
It takes literally 30 seconds to register though.
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Lol at the fun factor comment, obviously most DoW2 players have never played a game competitively, and they probably think they're good cos they bash some noobs (which at least 90% of DoW2 players are), I am top 800 or so after like not even 15 games and my only lost is due to a bug which made my squad unresponsive and made it run into the enemy HQ.
Through a professionalist view Blizzard is the better developer, the games are always released feeling polished, though balance upon release can be debated that can be fixed through patches which Blizzard is always excellent at (except 1.16.0). Relic on the other hand, is shithouse. No offense even though I bought DoW2 and even though I do actually really like the game, since the release of the game there was a game-breaking bug that wasnt fixed till like at least a month after the release. Most ironic thing was that Relic themselves stated that patching would be improved in DoW2, but instead they have to wait for Microsoft certification which takes 2-3 weeks and come up with a solution as well.
the original beta I thought was damn good, then patched beta was screwed over by so many bugs I decided to not even play anymore after that, but the original beta convinced me enough to buy the game. In every single one of their games, the patches have introduced more errors than fixes and I dont know what the "testers" over at Relic do but they suck dick and their balancing is shithouse.
Relic is innovative no doubt and can make good games but they seriously need to learn how to make a functional game before implementing innovation. Sorry to all the fanboys out there but DoW2 will NOT last long in the competitive scene especially once sc2 comes out. But hell DoW2 is W40k and thats more than enuff reason to play it.
Overall my thoughts are that DoW2 > SC for me, but Blizzard > Relic (by heapsszszzszsz). SC puts me off because I have to work my ballsack off just to beat some mediocre player and i just cbf to play it anymore. SC skill cap is much higher but if you are playing a player of greater or equal skill in DoW2 it wont just be an easy win.
DoW2 is a very fun game, just 3/4 of the fun is taken away by bugs and other technical gayshit that Relic should fix, I mean crashing randomly is kinda acceptable in beta but crashing randomly in a fully released game, albeit not a lot but like 20 games out of 100 or so, yeah that kinda tells alot about your development team.
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On March 27 2009 22:26 fanatacist wrote:
How do I vote without registering?
Don't be lazy just register.
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Sweden33719 Posts
DoW2 is a very fun game, just 3/4 of the fun is taken away by bugs and other technical gayshit that Relic should fix, I mean crashing randomly is kinda acceptable in beta but crashing randomly in a fully released game, albeit not a lot but like 20 games out of 100 or so, yeah that kinda tells alot about your development team.
O_o 20/100? That's more than it crashed for me during the beta I would say (although if you count players disconnecting.....).
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Btw why does anyone even care about that poll? It's not like it was posted on this site or that its CLAIMING that Relic is the better developer. Seriously I don't think anyone will even take the results seriously, its nothing more than a popularity contest (also a chance to laugh at some noobs who bitch about uninnovative design from Blizzard cos they cant handle anything above 100 10 apm)
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