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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
April 23 2009 19:17 GMT
#1521
On April 22 2009 04:21 zimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 18:30 jimminy_kriket wrote:
if anyone has time could someone try and get a replay of qnwkehltpdy? just like go down his match list and look for people he played terran vs then msg them on icc if their online. id be super happy if someone could actually do this.

thanks


http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=11139

sadly its a very short one, not really informative i guess, but at least i tried.


On April 22 2009 13:28 myst[a] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 18:30 jimminy_kriket wrote:
if anyone has time could someone try and get a replay of qnwkehltpdy? just like go down his match list and look for people he played terran vs then msg them on icc if their online. id be super happy if someone could actually do this.

thanks



I have , he played terran vs me, dunno if it is his race.

http://screplays.info/files/155046833/0865_MySTZ_qnwkehltpdyT.rep

thanks guys. I thought there was a chance he was boxer from looking at this P and Z reps but his terran hotkeys are different . Thanks again though
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
fiRe)HappyZerg
Profile Joined April 2008
Ukraine277 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 22:17:53
April 23 2009 22:17 GMT
#1522
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/[gsun].html

[image loading]
Happy me, happy skill, happy win :D
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary954 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-24 04:02:59
April 24 2009 03:54 GMT
#1523
Ok my theory based upon reps and account points:

TheStc started to play on acc sumadream, went to a-, played some there, then fell back to B and transferred to [sumadream], where he reached around 8500. Then he transferred to acc sumadreom (starts from around 8500). And a new player started to play on that account. Who might be:
sumadreom = [SeoulMilk] = asl-equid.suma = go.go[gsp]
I know romad said before that sumadreom is not go.go but i made a little research.

[image loading]


The newest game i found of go.go is against flash but even that one is 1 year old (second in the pic) and it's a tvt while the others are tvp so consider that. You can see hotkeys and spamming matching a LOT 1 cc 2 units 3 barracks->cc 4 5 6 7 fact in all replays. I pointed out some specialties which might seem small but very important. Firstly 2 spam in the beginning is very simiral and secondly there is a little gap after assigning hotkey n5 to second factory. Then a little spam and then sometimes another gap in both 4-5spam. You can actually notice this in a lot of his replays (although not all, however most i found were like from 2006).
Now against we have that he doesnt reassign 4-5 (which happened not always but usually), he uses first 8-9 than 0 for scan while he used to use 9-0 at first. But i think these might have changed since old replay or didn't play serious enough to use it like he usually does. Romad's problem might have been that in the asl-equid.suma replay he used 1 and 3 hotkey for units too. But if you go through his replays you can find that he did that occasionally before too. Alright not this many, but what if he used this hotkey setup for only that build before? He had units at 3 different places (timing rush against TellMeWhy]ex[, where he actually loses but he totally stops playing at the end i don't know if he was annoyed or he had to go away).

I uploaded some replays:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8yacqp

Contains this long rep of SeoulMilk:
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=11315

Where he wins in a macro game (haha he stops playing sometimes, maybe eating, you can see his apm goes down no hotkeys only for units) and he puts command centers next to the remaining protoss nexuses and main!! go.go is famous for doing this! like in this video (end):



And also a rep vs holy]diver where if you remember the chat sumadreom said he is hwasin from stx what is obviously not true, but where did thestc play? At STX. So since we know sumadream because of his famous rep pack, for example go.go might tried to make us think that they use a shared acc at stx to remain unknown which was the purpose of the transfer as he didn't want to ruin up his good stat with [SeoulMilk]. Or he didnt understand the question lol. Or said some random answer. Nevermind.

You can also see in the replays that SeoulMilk used the same (a bit unique) walling (2nd supply other position so that marine can go out) at destination 6oclock 2 times and sumadreom used it too! and:
[Seoulmilk] and [sumadream] played 3 offrace games vs each other (zvp etc) which might mean they're friends because they rarely offraced in other game. And not long after those games [sumadream] transferred to sumadreom. So sumadreom probably is [Seoulmilk].

so another probable proof that it's the same player.

I think however that the major proofs are the similarity of the basic hotkey usage and building command centers.

What do you guys think?

i also put replay of sumadreambabo and sumadreem in the pack who are not sumadream or sumadreom either (hotkeys totally different).
agentzimp
TL+ Member
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 25 2009 02:54 GMT
#1524
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/ezpzlmnsqz.html
can u add me to TL iccup list?
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
April 25 2009 11:34 GMT
#1525
On April 24 2009 04:14 jimminy_kriket wrote:
^lol

suddendeath = dream.t)hyun i think

how the hell is he #1 wtf

Hyun has always been very good outside of live games, and he's starting to win more in leagues/live matches (2-0ed Mind in MSL Offlines) he's obviously decent for a progamer and that translates to being high on iccup ladder.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 25 2009 13:05 GMT
#1526
Wow, pretty neat. Btw where's LeeYH? Not active anymore for Season 8?
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
April 25 2009 13:08 GMT
#1527
Wow that list in the OP is huge. I just noticed it's a lot longer than previous seasons.

good stuff
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 25 2009 13:58 GMT
#1528
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Medix
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Malaysia180 Posts
April 25 2009 14:43 GMT
#1529
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv


lol :D
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 25 2009 15:32 GMT
#1530
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

I would really love to see if Hyun is as good as Jaedong, or even better.

Wait, scrap that. I want to watch some of his FPVODs or replays >___>

I mean, how can the difference between playing off-the-air and playing on-air be so big? Seriously.. =.="
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
April 25 2009 15:35 GMT
#1531
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

Are these like the claims that magma is like 70% winrate vs flash and jaedong in practice games and is offline bonjwa?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 25 2009 15:43 GMT
#1532
On April 26 2009 00:32 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

I would really love to see if Hyun is as good as Jaedong, or even better.

Wait, scrap that. I want to watch some of his FPVODs or replays >___>

I mean, how can the difference between playing off-the-air and playing on-air be so big? Seriously.. =.="

Well i mean there is this part where youre playing infront of the entire country and then playing infront of your friends.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-25 15:45:20
April 25 2009 15:44 GMT
#1533
On April 26 2009 00:35 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

Are these like the claims that magma is like 70% winrate vs flash and jaedong in practice games and is offline bonjwa?

Wtf seriously?

And I thought Jangbi raping Stork everywhere during practice (before he started to explode like mad) was pretty cool.

On April 26 2009 00:43 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 00:32 konadora wrote:
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

I would really love to see if Hyun is as good as Jaedong, or even better.

Wait, scrap that. I want to watch some of his FPVODs or replays >___>

I mean, how can the difference between playing off-the-air and playing on-air be so big? Seriously.. =.="

Well i mean there is this part where youre playing infront of the entire country and then playing infront of your friends.


Yeah, but Hyun has been like playing for 2 years already?
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
April 25 2009 15:51 GMT
#1534
On April 26 2009 00:44 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 00:35 Scaramanga wrote:
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

Are these like the claims that magma is like 70% winrate vs flash and jaedong in practice games and is offline bonjwa?

Wtf seriously?

And I thought Jangbi raping Stork everywhere during practice (before he started to explode like mad) was pretty cool.

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 00:43 arb wrote:
On April 26 2009 00:32 konadora wrote:
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

I would really love to see if Hyun is as good as Jaedong, or even better.

Wait, scrap that. I want to watch some of his FPVODs or replays >___>

I mean, how can the difference between playing off-the-air and playing on-air be so big? Seriously.. =.="

Well i mean there is this part where youre playing infront of the entire country and then playing infront of your friends.


Yeah, but Hyun has been like playing for 2 years already?

Idk for sure but there’s been a few times where people have said magmas a beast, just gets really nervous on TV, iirc during last msl group selection he said he allkilled khan and skt in practice games
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 25 2009 16:35 GMT
#1535
On April 26 2009 00:51 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 00:44 konadora wrote:
On April 26 2009 00:35 Scaramanga wrote:
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

Are these like the claims that magma is like 70% winrate vs flash and jaedong in practice games and is offline bonjwa?

Wtf seriously?

And I thought Jangbi raping Stork everywhere during practice (before he started to explode like mad) was pretty cool.

On April 26 2009 00:43 arb wrote:
On April 26 2009 00:32 konadora wrote:
On April 25 2009 22:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
yyyyyyyep hyun is one of the best players around but he plays like ass on tv and his preparation aint so good

if you run into him on a ladder he will destroy you even if you're flash on tv

I would really love to see if Hyun is as good as Jaedong, or even better.

Wait, scrap that. I want to watch some of his FPVODs or replays >___>

I mean, how can the difference between playing off-the-air and playing on-air be so big? Seriously.. =.="

Well i mean there is this part where youre playing infront of the entire country and then playing infront of your friends.


Yeah, but Hyun has been like playing for 2 years already?

Idk for sure but there’s been a few times where people have said magmas a beast, just gets really nervous on TV, iirc during last msl group selection he said he allkilled khan and skt in practice games

Oh wow, wonder why he retir-

Wait, he must have been embarrassed after getting eliminated when he called the 6 dragons 'acorns'.
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Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
April 25 2009 16:55 GMT
#1536
hyvaa is apparently a beast in practice too. eSTRO seems to have a lot of online talent.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 25 2009 19:47 GMT
#1537
prettygirl-sy = Coach kOs of estro
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
April 25 2009 20:03 GMT
#1538
no, that's a shared account
check the gamelist
Entusman #12
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
April 26 2009 11:53 GMT
#1539
On April 24 2009 12:54 zimp wrote:
Ok my theory based upon reps and account points:

TheStc started to play on acc sumadream, went to a-, played some there, then fell back to B and transferred to [sumadream], where he reached around 8500. Then he transferred to acc sumadreom (starts from around 8500). And a new player started to play on that account. Who might be:
sumadreom = [SeoulMilk] = asl-equid.suma = go.go[gsp]
I know romad said before that sumadreom is not go.go but i made a little research.

[image loading]


The newest game i found of go.go is against flash but even that one is 1 year old (second in the pic) and it's a tvt while the others are tvp so consider that. You can see hotkeys and spamming matching a LOT 1 cc 2 units 3 barracks->cc 4 5 6 7 fact in all replays. I pointed out some specialties which might seem small but very important. Firstly 2 spam in the beginning is very simiral and secondly there is a little gap after assigning hotkey n5 to second factory. Then a little spam and then sometimes another gap in both 4-5spam. You can actually notice this in a lot of his replays (although not all, however most i found were like from 2006).
Now against we have that he doesnt reassign 4-5 (which happened not always but usually), he uses first 8-9 than 0 for scan while he used to use 9-0 at first. But i think these might have changed since old replay or didn't play serious enough to use it like he usually does. Romad's problem might have been that in the asl-equid.suma replay he used 1 and 3 hotkey for units too. But if you go through his replays you can find that he did that occasionally before too. Alright not this many, but what if he used this hotkey setup for only that build before? He had units at 3 different places (timing rush against TellMeWhy]ex[, where he actually loses but he totally stops playing at the end i don't know if he was annoyed or he had to go away).

I uploaded some replays:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8yacqp

Contains this long rep of SeoulMilk:
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=11315

Where he wins in a macro game (haha he stops playing sometimes, maybe eating, you can see his apm goes down no hotkeys only for units) and he puts command centers next to the remaining protoss nexuses and main!! go.go is famous for doing this! like in this video (end):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEqfbf-YTcA

And also a rep vs holy]diver where if you remember the chat sumadreom said he is hwasin from stx what is obviously not true, but where did thestc play? At STX. So since we know sumadream because of his famous rep pack, for example go.go might tried to make us think that they use a shared acc at stx to remain unknown which was the purpose of the transfer as he didn't want to ruin up his good stat with [SeoulMilk]. Or he didnt understand the question lol. Or said some random answer. Nevermind.

You can also see in the replays that SeoulMilk used the same (a bit unique) walling (2nd supply other position so that marine can go out) at destination 6oclock 2 times and sumadreom used it too! and:
[Seoulmilk] and [sumadream] played 3 offrace games vs each other (zvp etc) which might mean they're friends because they rarely offraced in other game. And not long after those games [sumadream] transferred to sumadreom. So sumadreom probably is [Seoulmilk].

so another probable proof that it's the same player.

I think however that the major proofs are the similarity of the basic hotkey usage and building command centers.

What do you guys think?

i also put replay of sumadreambabo and sumadreem in the pack who are not sumadream or sumadreom either (hotkeys totally different).

gogo assigns his comsats on 0,9 and he doesn't use 1 on units (except for TvZ). Also seoulmilk has different spam in that long replay. imo it's enough to say that it's not gogo
On April 24 2009 04:14 jimminy_kriket wrote:
^lol

suddendeath = dream.t)hyun i think

how the hell is he #1 wtf

imo it's by.hero
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
April 26 2009 19:12 GMT
#1540
send me some reps of hero i dont have any / cant find any
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