I'm very confident. Korean Zerg strategies are ahead of foreign Zergs by about 1-2 years, and foreign ZvT also develops very slowly. I think TvZ is my strongest matchup. I predict I will go 6-1 or 5-2; there are a few maps that are very suited to early rushes, very suitable to his [F91’s] style, so I might lose two games.
And what happens? Idra loses 2-5. The white hope of the modern day and age losing to some random zerg player from China. If you can't beat him how are you supposed to beat progamers? I mean seriously the only games you won were games on two maps, Colosseum and Destination, maps that you've been practicing on 13 hours a day in the CJ Pro-team house with Koreans. Of course those are locks but the other five? Why did you lose Idra?
Well, luckily IdrA decided to tell us!
why are you pretending you know anything about starcraft? raid assault is covered in narrow passages and high grounds and has a very short rush distance through the center, as well as high ground immediately outside the natural. it also has a total of 2 gas expos outside the mains and naturals, both of which are near impossible to defend vs drops. as such if zerg lets terran get into the mid/long game in good shape, they are going to lose. with 3 hatch the only real option is a 3 hat lurk ling allin to try to abuse the back way, thats quite risky in itself but he wasnt even going 3 hat lair. however, the natural and main are very far apart, there is a cliff over the natural, and the main's min line is backed up against water. this makes 2 hat muta exceptionally good. this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.
HEY MY OPPONENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND I KNEW HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT SO I DID EXACTLY WHAT BEATS WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO BUT HE'S DUMB AND DIDN'T DO WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO COUNTER EASILY.
No Idra, he did what won. If he was dumb he would have done exactly what you wanted him to do...lol. After all this time in Korea you've only learned standard builds and haven't even opened your mind up at all? Makes sense I guess before you went to Korea you did the exact same builds every game in whatever matchup you were playing. You are playing against a Chinese random zerg kid not some CJ-house-team-B practice partner who does the same build against you every game. Get a grip, you weren't aware of what was going on that game and took your situation for granted, and you lost. You lost because you were fucking dumb.
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kinda already talked about this too. i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again and built bunkers and a quick dropship. delayed my barracks and my vessel. instead of allining he powered, added more hatches, and went hive (and delayed his lurkers doing so). no amount of micro or game sense or scanning or whatever bullshit you're babbling about can save any terran from that point.
That's the point kid. Micro, scanning, and especially game sense wouldn't save any terran from that point. But any terran with micro, scanning, and game sense wouldn't have gotten into that situation anyways because they wouldn't be thinking like such a linear brained retarded fucking frankenstein and would assume that more is possible than what they think their opponent will probably do. No good terran would get in that situation. Do you think any korean progamer would lose to F91 in a series? LMAO.
Wait a second you said:
i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again
So he's an "ALLIN PLAYER" but he didn't do allin? Wait that doesn't even make sense. If he's an all-in player wouldn't he go all-in every game? That's the point of going all-in and having game sense. If you play the same way every game (LIKE YOU LOL) then you will be very predictable and people can easily take optimal openings vs. you. If you mix it up on the other hand you gain an edge because you're not predictable. Looks to me like he figured you'd just assume he's all-in'ing again and he'd exploit the fact that you're a dumb goon and do what crushes the terran counter to zerg-allin. Oh wait, thats what he did! You got played buddy. You got outsmarted. YOU sucked.
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i said before i lost on chupung because it didnt look like an allin, he waited longer than usual for some reason and so my tanks were out of place. also i made 2 bunkers. 3 is the failsafe vs an allin. doesnt change the fact that it was an allin, just like taking a fast 3rd on tau was risky. my point is he won because he took risks and they paid off. congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.
Now he's really fucking with your head lmao. This game he does a build that will make you think all-in then delays it a bit to make you think he was just fucking with you again then he all-ins anyways a bit later. Hahahahaha he totally just leveled the fuck out of you. F91 is a fucking genius. U blow.
[b]congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. What the fuck is skill then IdrA? Playing 13 hours a day raping B-team newb zergs all day who do the same fucking builds then going to the team bathroom with your laptop and jerking off to replays of yourself on the scummy progamer sperm encrusted toilet seat? OH MAN MY M&M RUSH TIMING IS SO SICK JUST LIKE MY JERK-OFF TIMING 14.8 SECONDS THEY'LL NEVER THINK I WAS BEATING OFF IN HERE O FUCK I GOT SOME ON MY SHIRT K GOTTA TAKE A SHOWER IN THIS PROGAMER PUBE CLOGGED BATHTUB SO I CAN COME OUT OF THE SHOWER WITH MY SHIRT OFF IN JUST MY TOWEL AND PUT IT IN THE HAMPER AND GET FRESH CLOTHES SO THEY DONT KNOW I JUST GOT PROGAMER SPERM ALL OVER MY CJ SHIRT CUZ I WEAR IT EVERY DAY IN 14.8 SECONDS DUE TO SICK TERRAN STIM PACK MASTERBATION APM.
Skill is what wins games. Period. Luck is part of starcraft. Maybe if you took risks and tried to exploit that fact sometimes you could actually win games.
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boxer was a cheesy player with no mechanics.... in 2002... when no one had mechanics. before he went to the army his macro, though not the best in korea, was more than adequate and his micro was still among the best, on top of his creativity. and he was creative. sure he did run of the mill cheeses, but he also came up with shit no one else would do.
f91 fails on both those counts. he is not mechanically clean, at all. hell the andro game he banked like 3k/3k off of 3 gas. maybe he was saving for ultras, but i think he put up his ultra den after his money started climbing out of control (kinda has to have actually, you dont hit 3k/3k in the build time of an ultra den). [b]and he is not clever. he simply hopes you dont guess or read which way hes gonna go. opening lurker and hoping your opponent doesnt guess properly if you're gonna attack or not is not a 'crazy rush' or a brilliant strategy. it is a coinflip.
How does someone training with the CJ team get tricked by a dumb chinese zerg player who isn't clever and simply hopes? I mean seriously LOL he mind fucked you and you still can't even realize it after the fact. Ignorance isn't bliss. Ignorance will keep you in the CJ team B-house and off TV for another year until you finally realize it's time to pack your bags and get the fuck out.
All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.
I mean though I completely understand why Idra does what he does. Imagine a young lil nerd in USA in college playing BW all day with no life. Finally the chance of a lifetime: PROGAMING IN KOREA! Then he gets to Korea and after months on the team even the b-team practice newbies don't even want to play against him because he's so bad and its wasting their time to play him. Fine he was able to put that all behind him though because Estro managed to convince CJ to take him (CJ is more structured and strict so this wouldn't happen there). All the hype just got even bigger. The expectations rose from all his foreign fans. Then what happens? A year goes by and the only public game he's played in Korea was a prelim game where he got utterly raped by JulyZerg because even though his build was good, his execution against JulyZerg was just really bad. THEN another foreigner comes to Korea for a while and steals all his spotlight (which he was failing to live up to anyways). Now he's just been in a lull and we've heard nothing from him really for a while and finally he gets a show match against a chinese newbie where he can have some fun and win a little money in the process. Especially in his best matchup! Oh no I got raped 2-5 because I played like an idiot with no game sense!!! Fuck now everyones going to think I'm horrible NO I MUST DEFEND MYSELF I AM ESTROCJIDRAINKOREA I AM THE BEST FOREIGNER HE GOT PURELY LUCKY IF I PLAYED HIM 100 TIMES I WOULD WIN MORE THAN 50 FOR SURE I AM BETTER THAN HIM!!!!!!!!!! He's just insecure and it's rough on him that he's got all this foreign pressure to succeed and he's not living up to it at all.
Instead of acting like an insecure little faggot by continuing to throw out stupid posts about 'why you lost' just say GG well played and move on with your life. Even when I was in Korea and breakdown raped me I admitted the truth: that I played horribly. Sure I could have done better but I did play horrible and I did lose straight up. I admitted that fact and moved on with my life and didn't sit around trying to blame my opponent's stupidity for why I lost. I mean seriously how can you blame your opponents stupidity for why you lost that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard LOL. Thats like doing a big-time drug sale where the agreement is 'bring no weapons' then you show up there unarmed and get robbed. How fucking stupid can YOU be. If you wasted less time making excuses and put that time into improving as a player and figuring out how you could have won given the dire circumstances that F91's brilliance put you in maybe people wouldn't hate you so much.
Be happy you're still living a dream that so many foreigners would love to experience. You're on a pro-team in Korea have your mind numbing practice hours made you forget that? So what you have no talent in SC at all? So what you haven't had any success? Maye you should try some new things everyone is good at something. There's more to life than one little show match you should have just had fun with it and acted in a respectful manner after you got butt-fucked. Stop acting like a bitter litte nerd, leave that to Artosis when he's losing to DT drops on ICCUP.
Haha. I already knew IdrA sucks, but this is just more evidence. He is not a bad player, he just does not deserve to be in Korea at all. Especially since he's such a douche.
All those people who say "being bm and confident hypes the game up": No, IdrA is just hella bm. If it's hyping the match up, why is he still trying to prove himself after the game is over? The things he said don't make any sense and are hypocritical. F91 hopes that IdrA doesn't realize what he's up to? More like IdrA was hoping that in game 5 (and 6?) when he did weird ass builds and was lucky when F91 thought he was going pure mech.
NonY is a much better representative than IdrA. Much more likable too.
edit: however, I like IdrA being BM. However, he needs to realize that cheesing is a valid playstyle. It's not stable or solid. But winning is winning and if you lose to little tricks and little shenanigans that weren't even real skill... then what did YOU have? If you got beat by someone being dumb then WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU.
Holy... that was a shitstorm. But i think that F91 is probably THE BEST foreigner in the world right now, and that Fnatic is probably the strongest clan.
I don't understand the tittle. Is it just for lols or what? How does any of all your post has to do with foreignerS still suck? Idra sucks that's it, many other foreigner in his place would be doing much better.
On February 23 2009 12:07 anotak wrote: as much as David Sirlin is a complete FUCKTARD, this is relevant: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Why do I see so many top level starcraft players say scrubby things?
Finally someone with balls posts the truth we all clearly saw. All his defenders are just blind. Maybe he wins games in the CJ B-team, but he sure as hell didn't deserve to win ANY games against F91.
On February 23 2009 11:56 Rekrul wrote: All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up.
For all the tl;dr people: this quote above is the (only?) essential bit. A good point.
IdrA will never learn. He will come to this thread posting some an angry rant of a frustrated player. I seriously think he might have some psychological problems.
On February 23 2009 12:10 Fzero wrote: Finally someone with balls posts the truth we all clearly saw. All his defenders are just blind. Maybe he wins games in the CJ B-team, but he sure as hell didn't deserve to win ANY games against F91.
On February 23 2009 12:07 anotak wrote: as much as David Sirlin is a complete FUCKTARD, this is relevant: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Why do I see so many top level starcraft players say scrubby things?
F91 never cheesed in any of the seven games
Does it matter? IdrA acts like cheese isn't a valid play, like it's some kind of unfair cheating.
On February 23 2009 12:07 anotak wrote: as much as David Sirlin is a complete FUCKTARD, this is relevant: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Why do I see so many top level starcraft players say scrubby things?
F91 never cheesed in any of the seven games
Does it matter? IdrA acts like cheese isn't a valid play, like it's some kind of unfair cheating.
yes, just like he did the same build over and over just to get it repetitively raped. What a fool
I can't believe people even hyped his skill. He failed in WCG USA, got raped and failed vs Castro in a Spirit showmatch, and fails now.
On February 23 2009 12:07 anotak wrote: as much as David Sirlin is a complete FUCKTARD, this is relevant: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Why do I see so many top level starcraft players say scrubby things?
F91 never cheesed in any of the seven games
Does it matter? IdrA acts like cheese isn't a valid play, like it's some kind of unfair cheating.
IdrA is the same guy that eats throws all day in a 2D fighter and cries because he can't break them. "This is a fighting game! Use skill moves.. fucking noob". It's over.
On February 23 2009 12:15 AlphaxOmega wrote: Give Idra props, he guessed the series would go 5-2.
............Just didn't happen in his favor.
I predicted F91 going 5-2, does that make me better than Idra?
I didn't dish out anything on Idra before since I just assumed that the vast majority of his trashtalk is just that, trash talk. All in good fun. But then this pops up, with him trying to justify his losses with something even more retarded than his trash talk. That's just not cool. As Rek said, SHOW SOME RESPECT.
nsp_fancy raped f91 during pgl by going for a standard opening every game, it's perfectly fine to open the same way, you just have to be a lot better than your opponent to be immune to leveling.
On February 23 2009 11:56 Rekrul wrote: And what happens? Idra loses 2-5. The white hope of the modern day and age losing to some random zerg player from China.
F91 beat NaDa in a bo1 at some IEST event a while back, and (I'm not certain on this one) I hear he took a game off Stork in a bo3 at some point too? F91 has been one of the best (if not the best) Zerg in China for some time now, and I'm pretty sure many people have China as the second-best BW country. Your phrasing there is really off IMO.
On February 23 2009 12:14 Superiorwolf wrote: I can't believe people even hyped his skill. He failed in WCG USA, got raped and failed vs Castro in a Spirit showmatch, and fails now.
Yeah when people lose to good players that means they suck ass right?
no, fuck no. IdrA's a good player, he wouldn't still be in the CJ house if that was a lie. He wouldn't have done so well against Stork if that was a lie.
On February 23 2009 12:14 Superiorwolf wrote: I can't believe people even hyped his skill. He failed in WCG USA, got raped and failed vs Castro in a Spirit showmatch, and fails now.
Yeah when people lose to good players that means they suck ass right?
no, fuck no. IdrA's a good player, he wouldn't still be in the CJ house if that was a lie. He wouldn't have done so well against Stork if that was a lie.
idra says REPEATEDLY "oh i'll rape everyone i am very confident" turns out he loses in some of the very first rounds yes they are good players, he just fucking sucks for being in korea he should NOT be the foreign representative in korea, he is totally unfit for the job yes he has good determination, but his arrogance, cockiness and failure to beat anyone even after being in korea FOR A YEAR demeans his efforts
I NEVER supported idra being in korea, but i was very excited when nony went.
On February 23 2009 12:17 LibertyTerran wrote: Please change the topic name to "Idra still sucks" ... BTW, luv these kinda dramas on TL every now and then ).
for all of you who are confused by the title, this is actually a series, use the search function for the other "Foreigners Sucks" threads by Rekrul and you'll understand.
F91 is hardly a random Chinese player as rek mentions, fonger is right. I totally agree with everything else 100% though.
Absolutely no excuses as to why Idra would lose 2-5 in this series. This series meant ALOT as we haven't seen much meaningful stuff from Idra recently. So what happens? Idra plays downright sucky. There's no excuses really, it can try to be spun and excuses of course will be made. But 2-5 speaks for itself. From the poor timing attacks with bats/rines on Tau Cross to the non-retreat on Andro I watched every game of this series and saw plenty of poor decisions, doesn't matter how; "the game was already lost then blah blah *cry* *cry" if you're slightly behind in a game isn't it time to focus and try and come back? I guess when you're behind in a game it's time to throw away your army, obviously...
On February 23 2009 12:19 Superiorwolf wrote: idra says REPEATEDLY "oh i'll rape everyone i am very confident" turns out he loses in some of the very first rounds yes they are good players, he just fucking sucks for being in korea he should NOT be the foreign representative in korea, he is totally unfit for the job yes he has good determination, but his arrogance, cockiness and failure to beat anyone even after being in korea FOR A YEAR demeans his efforts
I NEVER supported idra being in korea, but i was very excited when nony went.
There are so many people in those progaming houses that are there longer than a year and we never hear about and never do anything and never become famous, and they're koreans. Where's Forever[Shield]? He's been on OGN for a year at least a this point. Have you fucking heard a single peep about him? Does anyone give a shit? No. He's a zerg that's better than anyone in this thread and probably better than F91 and nobody will ever hear about him most likely. That doesn't mean he failed, and neither did IdrA. Sure, IdrA's cocky and arrogant, but that's not a crime. To be honest that's probably a good trait that will drive him to prove you all wrong and succeed due to a psychological need to reinforce such a personality.
I don't know what personal vendetta you have against him but why are you willing to hurt the foreigner hope in korea for it?
Again, nothing wrong with pre-game hype/trash talk/etc. It's good for hyping stuff up, making things fun, etc. But when you lose and apply the same pre-game trash talk to your post-game excuse-making, that just communicates a lack of respect.
Being GM tends to make people like you, being BM tends not to. Don't see why Idra-fans are so surprised that Idra's getting hate because of this.
foreigner hope in korea? what the fuck, he's not my fucking hope LOL i dont care about random korean amateurs, my point is idra should be WAY better after a year, yet it seems he hasnt improved at all (except the level of his cockiness) he shouldnt be cocky if he cant beat anyone, which is even more relevant because hes in korea
idra representing america in this fashion? fuck no
+the fact that F91 had 3k/3k minerals and gas in the Andromeda game is even more self-evident. F91 was able to RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE idra even with that much money in the bank, which shows how unsound idra's playing is. i dont understand how idra is trying to use that to prove F91 has bad mechanics. That makes it seem MORE that idra should win since he's been in korea. BUT NO, he gets beat by "an outdated foreigner who has like 3,000/3,000 surplus and shit mechanics and terrible muta micro". Because as we all know, idra can now RAPE mutas. OH WAIT, GAME SEVEN LOL
On February 23 2009 12:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Again, nothing wrong with pre-game hype/trash talk/etc. It's good for hyping stuff up, making things fun, etc. But when you lose and apply the same pre-game trash talk to your post-game excuse-making, that just communicates a lack of respect.
Being GM tends to make people like you, being BM tends not to. Don't see why Idra-fans are so surprised that Idra's getting hate because of this.
I have to agree. It's fun for when people start trash talking to hype up a fight (or w/e), but to continue to display that trash talking after getting stomped is shameful.
This was one of my favorite showmatches ever and I really appreciate TL for doing it, because seriously now people are realizing how shit idra is. Foreign hope my ass
I don't care about his manner, but making ridiculous excuses like my opponent played wrong and thats why I lost is insanity. There's something wrong with your brain if you can make yourself believe something as ludicrous as that. It's that level of delusion that will keep him in korea way longer than he should be (he's already been there too long imo given no signs of improvement at all beyond mechanics)
Oh my god! A starcraft player lost a Bo7 to another player. He must be completly terrible now!
This is like people who see Bisu win one game against Justin and call Bonjwa, or Savior lose one game to Flash and call slump. Idra lost 5-2, fine. He doesn't have the best attitude, fine. Don't start jumping to conclusions about how he is now terrible and will never amount to anything. People don't always play their best.
On February 23 2009 11:56 Rekrul wrote: All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.
On February 23 2009 12:35 Zortch wrote: Oh my god! A starcraft player lost a Bo7 to another player. He must be completly terrible now!
This is like people who see Bisu win one game against Justin and call Bonjwa, or Savior lose one game to Flash and call slump. Idra lost 5-2, fine. He doesn't have the best attitude, fine. Don't start jumping to conclusions about how he is now terrible and will never amount to anything. People don't always play their best.
No he has repeatedly shown this crap attitude and this terrible play WCG USA = FAIL SHOWMATCH = FAIL LIQUIBITION = EPIC FAIL Not only were the games 5-2 in favor of F91, but the games were HUGELY one-sided
As Superiorwolf said, it's not the fact that Idra lost a Bo7. No one gives a damn about that.
It's the fact that he trash-talked before the game. But hey, that's fine too. He lost the series. Honestly, nothing wrong with that. People lose all the time, it's part of playing the game.
But then we have the bad attitude carried over to AFTER the game, where he applies the same BM he had before the game to try to justify his losses. And the fact that he has been showing this bad attitude for a year without delivering results.
One event is not enough to make the vast majority of people hate you. It's the consistent showing of these negative traits that's earning Idra the heat that he's getting right now.
On February 23 2009 12:19 Superiorwolf wrote: idra says REPEATEDLY "oh i'll rape everyone i am very confident" turns out he loses in some of the very first rounds yes they are good players, he just fucking sucks for being in korea he should NOT be the foreign representative in korea, he is totally unfit for the job yes he has good determination, but his arrogance, cockiness and failure to beat anyone even after being in korea FOR A YEAR demeans his efforts
I NEVER supported idra being in korea, but i was very excited when nony went.
There are so many people in those progaming houses that are there longer than a year and we never hear about and never do anything and never become famous, and they're koreans. Where's Forever[Shield]? He's been on OGN for a year at least a this point. Have you fucking heard a single peep about him? Does anyone give a shit? No. He's a zerg that's better than anyone in this thread and probably better than F91 and nobody will ever hear about him most likely. That doesn't mean he failed, and neither did IdrA. Sure, IdrA's cocky and arrogant, but that's not a crime. To be honest that's probably a good trait that will drive him to prove you all wrong and succeed due to a psychological need to reinforce such a personality.
I don't know what personal vendetta you have against him but why are you willing to hurt the foreigner hope in korea for it?
lol no, that psychology only drives him if he's actually capable of fulfilling it. if he can never fulfill it, then it will only end up destroying him as he becomes self loathing, making excuses for everything, refusing to ever take responsibility, and blaming any problems on anything but himself
the excuse "he did something so dumb I didn't expect it so i lost to it" is the stupidest, noobiest excuse around. the other excuse, "HE HAD SO MUCH MONEY HE SO NOOB HE WASNT EVEN USING A GAME PLAN," well, that just means you got RAPED by someone like that. hahhaha
On February 23 2009 12:07 anotak wrote: as much as David Sirlin is a complete FUCKTARD, this is relevant: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Why do I see so many top level starcraft players say scrubby things?
F91 never cheesed in any of the seven games
Does it matter? IdrA acts like cheese isn't a valid play, like it's some kind of unfair cheating.
yes, just like he did the same build over and over just to get it repetitively raped. What a fool
I can't believe people even hyped his skill. He failed in WCG USA, got raped and failed vs Castro in a Spirit showmatch, and fails now.
IdrA should have never went to Korea, nor been accepted. I still cant seem to imagine even with his opportunity; there just isnt any "talent". This was very awkward because many terrans > him outside of Korea. He talks about Boxer like he was actually from around his time. This annoys me. I really wish someone like Mondragon would go to Korea.. heh - could possibly represent some hope for us foreigners in the game scene.
Oh well - IdrA - if you continue to keep up with attitudes and mindsets like this, good luck. Being cocky is one thing, but being cocky with nothing to back it up with is foolish.
Good post, but you retards saying "IdrA shouldn't be in Korea" need to stfu ... that's not what this post is about. If you think that it's 100% idra bashing and think this post is trying to totally demean him and say he's a newb that shouldn't be in Korea you're fucking retarded.
He pointed out IdrA's flaws and faults in a mean, but funny way, but even so, he needs to be respected because hes REALLY GOOD at Starcraft ... he just isn't as good as he could be yet
what advice would you give him apart from going back home and taking his losses better? a post like that would make me want to give up right now, you think he can make in korea? there is no previous grudge against idra behind your post? you struck like mighty thunder
On February 23 2009 12:56 Xeris wrote: Good post, but you retards saying "IdrA shouldn't be in Korea" need to stfu ... that's not what this post is about. If you think that it's 100% idra bashing and think this post is trying to totally demean him and say he's a newb that shouldn't be in Korea you're fucking retarded.
He pointed out IdrA's flaws and faults in a mean, but funny way, but even so, he needs to be respected because hes REALLY GOOD at Starcraft ... he just isn't as good as he could be yet
thank you. very rarely do I see you post anything I disagree with.
Prior to this Liquibition, the only game I ever saw from IdrA was one from Gom where he lost to some Zerg on Andromeda iirc. It wasn't enough to make me think any more or less of him; I was pretty much indifferent towards him before watching the matches against F91. But all this lack of respect and denial that he shows afterwards have made me hate him. + Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2009 13:00 Kinky wrote: Prior to this Liquibition, the only game I ever saw from IdrA was one from Gom where he lost to some Zerg on Andromeda iirc. It wasn't enough to make me think any more or less of him; I was pretty much indifferent towards him before watching the matches against F91. But all this lack of respect and denial that he shows afterwards have made me hate him. + Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2009 12:41 JIJIyO wrote: Wait..........I thought Rek was cool with Idra?
Edit: Still reading it, so if Rek's just doing his usual thing, please don't kill me.
I just like to help people learn from their mistakes and improve as human beings.
Ah, I see. So if I go to Korea and buy shitty alcohol and shitty girls, would you correct make me learn from my mistake and become a better human being? Say.........you buying me better alcohol and girls? Good poker skills btw, but a little ways there from your epic posting skills ;D I kid I kid.
On February 23 2009 12:58 gedanbarai wrote: question rekrul,
what advice would you give him apart from going back home and taking his losses better? a post like that would make me want to give up right now, you think he can make in korea? there is no previous grudge against idra behind your post? you struck like mighty thunder
On February 23 2009 12:57 Murk wrote: i wonder why idra has commented here yet... i know for a fact he has read ALL of this lol
How does one respond to something like this anyway?
You say "Fair enough, bro. Thanks for the honesty."
Seriously though, it happens sometimes in strategy games where you are playing in a certain metagame, and someone from a metagame that is strategically far below yours happens to defeat you because they just weren't playing your metagame. Happens, for instance, in Stratego, where if you are smart and your oppenent is smart you have a good idea of where to look for your oppenent's flag. But if a complete scrub plays, his flag could be in a retarded spot that you'll never think of. I think this is the phenomenon that Idra is referring to by saying that he lost because F91's play was stupid.
I disagree with him, because I think SC give you adequate tools for scouting so that you shouldn't lose a BO7 in that manner.
On November 17 2008 20:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: oovIdra to hyukCJ B-team zergs: "HOW COME THIS RAPED YOU 100 TIMES IN A ROW IN PRACTICE AND I LOST TO ZEROF91"
On February 23 2009 13:00 Kinky wrote: Prior to this Liquibition, the only game I ever saw from IdrA was one from Gom where he lost to some Zerg on Andromeda iirc. It wasn't enough to make me think any more or less of him; I was pretty much indifferent towards him before watching the matches against F91. But all this lack of respect and denial that he shows afterwards have made me hate him. + Show Spoiler +
Nice read btw.
he won the game on andromeda
Yes, my mistake. I was thinking about his matches against F91 while posting.
On February 23 2009 12:58 gedanbarai wrote: question rekrul,
what advice would you give him apart from going back home and taking his losses better? a post like that would make me want to give up right now, you think he can make in korea? there is no previous grudge against idra behind your post? you struck like mighty thunder
No I have absolutely nothing against Idra I just saw his nonsense and you know me, can't help myself.
I'd advise him to leave korea for SC1 on a good note with his team and do whatever he wants to do/or study back in the states. If what he really wants to do is remain in e-sports as a player then I guess he should just stick it out and keep trying to improve in SC1 and stay there until SC2 comes out and see if he can work something out with CJ where he can live there and play/learn SC2 there....I mean who knows theres still an off chance he'll get a proleague game. I think remaining in Korea until SC2 would still be more fun/better for him than USA probably. Also he should study Korean whether he's in Korea or in the USA if he intends to remain in e-sports as a progamer. Being able to speak korean is going to help players big time in improving, getting games with koreans, etc. after SC2 comes out. Don't kid yourselves and think it will be equal ratio of asians/nonasians like War3 was.
But in reality as this series and the way he's acted afterwards has proven, he should probably pick a different career. Better to start sooner or later I mean he can't even use the fact that 'he's having the time of his life' in Korea as an excuse because frankly he's just stuck in a progamer house almost always and theres not that much for him to do there when they let him out. Except that night I took him to room salon and night club and he got his first kiss and an icecube flung at his face. Damn that was a good night.
Idra's Raid Assault comments remind me a lot of the poker noob raging "HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU BE SO BAD AS TO CALL MY FANTASTIC BLUFF WITH THAT SHITTY HAND!?!?!?" as if they someone did the wrong thing by making the right play. People like to assume they're a level above opponents so when shit doesn't go their way they like to rationalise that their opponent is so bad they actually ended up unknowingly doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. Perhaps Idra should consider whether F91 is a level above him.
3 hat < FE < 2 hat muta < Idra's build < 3 hat Therefore F91 is a retard for doing a build so stupid and vulnerable to FE....
On February 23 2009 12:56 Xeris wrote: Good post, but you retards saying "IdrA shouldn't be in Korea" need to stfu ... that's not what this post is about. If you think that it's 100% idra bashing and think this post is trying to totally demean him and say he's a newb that shouldn't be in Korea you're fucking retarded.
He pointed out IdrA's flaws and faults in a mean, but funny way, but even so, he needs to be respected because hes REALLY GOOD at Starcraft ... he just isn't as good as he could be yet
No, he doesn't NEED to be respected because he's good at SC. Maybe for you that's all it takes. I don't respect a dickhead asshole just because he's good at something.
On February 23 2009 12:57 Murk wrote: i wonder why idra has commented here yet... i know for a fact he has read ALL of this lol
How does one respond to something like this anyway?
You say "Fair enough, bro. Thanks for the honesty."
Seriously though, it happens sometimes in strategy games where you are playing in a certain metagame, and someone from a metagame that is strategically far below yours happens to defeat you because they just weren't playing your metagame. Happens, for instance, in Stratego, where if you are smart and your oppenent is smart you have a good idea of where to look for your oppenent's flag. But if a complete scrub plays, his flag could be in a retarded spot that you'll never think of. I think this is the phenomenon that Idra is referring to by saying that he lost because F91's play was stupid.
I disagree with him, because I think SC give you adequate tools for scouting so that you shouldn't lose a BO7 in that manner.
If it's considered a "retarded build," then it must be that way because the "better" players have deemed it to be a bad build. Should the better players thus lose to it? No, that's stupid.
^this. He lost, yet he's talking all this shit. Even if he won every major tourney from now till the end of pro SCBW i would not respect his high horse attitude.
Can someone explain the significance of "g" instead of "gg"? Is it just a way of implying that the game wasn't a good one, or is there something else behind it?
On February 23 2009 13:24 Djabanete wrote: Can someone explain the significance of "g" instead of "gg"? Is it just a way of implying that the game wasn't a good one, or is there something else behind it?
No significance. One g, two g, black g, blue g. It doesn't matter.
I dunno if its just me... but I kinda grasp what Rekrul is tryin to say too...
Im really sorry but F91's play is fuckin horrible... I mean his build orders and timings are so fuckin gross.. and IdrA loses to them ? A FUCKIN CJENTUS TERRAN!!!!!!
He s a fuckin PROGAMER for gods sake! its fuckin CJ Entus we talkin about here... and plays against some ugly ass Z builds and loses horribly.. and makes up excuses and all these crap..
I dunno if u guys watch "Boxing" but the same shit goes on before matches.. the trash talk is fine! the thinkin ur better ITS TOTALLY FINE! because u need to think like that in competitive sports to play aggressive and confident.. BUT IF YOU LOSE! YOU FUCKING SAY "GG!!!" and say GOOD JOB MAN OR WATEVER THE FUCK!
I Think even Mike Tyson after trash talking would say something manner after losing a fight!
IdrA is the biggest loser ever and needs to be beat down for his trash talking... I couldnt see him saying those words in a live LAN to the players face.. I bet hed get beat up for being a fagget...
This reminds me of my high school days playing chess. When I was learning the game, my local chess club head guy(rating of 1800ish) kept making it clear to me that it's not important to mindlessly memorize all the different openings, but KNOWING the concept behind it and why they're optimal.
It's pretty stupid to BLAME opponent plays less than optimally. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life. If you're truly a progamer, you should be able to PUNISH less-than-optimal openings and plays. Not sitting there without a clue because he does a stupid build and you don't know the counter.
I try to support this guy all the time, but this shit is getting ridiculous. Kid needs to grow-up and realize why he's getting spanked anytime he plays anyone that is competent instead of making excuses. It's getting pathetic.
This post is proof that even a human toilet like Rekrul occasionally has something worthwhile to contribute
I voted Idra would lose 1-6 so going 2-5 actually bumped my estimation of his skill a bit. And really, the excuse making is no surprise either. Idra can loosen up and act human when he's drunk but otherwise he seems pretty committed to the "hey I'm a phenomenal douchebag who gives no respect to anyone who isn't in my practice partner circle" routine.
I'm convinced his attitude is the only thing holding him back -_-
And with the exception of Strelok, it seems like "top" foreign Terrans tend to be major fucking titty baby excuse making pussies. Artosis, Idra and Aerials come to mind right away (no offense Paul, you know it's true). So what if you're playing the most technically difficult race? If you can't lose with Terran without being a cunt, play the "easy race" and shut the fuck up.
On February 23 2009 13:31 Mazer wrote: I try to support this guy all the time, but this shit is getting ridiculous. Kid needs to grow-up and realize why he's getting spanked anytime he plays anyone that is competent instead of making excuses. It's getting pathetic.
Yeah I've tried to get behind IdrA and support him, but man is he a dick.
So, why could someone explain why anyone should listen to rek about becoming a succesful sc player?
That's not a dig, but if I'm going to trust someone about top-level sc play (which my "omg, i once hit b- on pgt by matchup and match whoring) ass can't understand, I've been around long enough to know reks not the man.
On February 23 2009 13:34 -_- wrote: So, why could someone explain why anyone should listen to rek about becoming a succesful sc player?
That's not a dig, but if I'm going to trust someone about top-level sc play (which my "omg, i once hit b- on pgt by matchup and match whoring) ass can't understand, I've been around long enough to know reks not the man.
Perspective counts for something. Rekrul at least knows (and knew) his place. You don't have to be a top pro gamer to make the observations he made in this post, you just have to have a functioning head on your shoulders.
On February 23 2009 13:34 -_- wrote: So, why could someone explain why anyone should listen to rek about becoming a succesful sc player?
That's not a dig, but if I'm going to trust someone about top-level sc play (which my "omg, i once hit b- on pgt by matchup and match whoring) ass can't understand, I've been around long enough to know reks not the man.
its not about how to become a successful sc player. It's about being a decent person. I think rek did a good, given blatant, job of doing this.
I finally realize why I keep losing on ICCUP! It's because all my opponents are retards! Their inferior build orders and pathetic game sense make them impossible to beat. If they were better I would be A+ by now.
On February 23 2009 13:37 Swarmy wrote: I finally realize why I keep losing on ICCUP! It's because all my opponents are retards! Their inferior build orders and pathetic game sense make them impossible to beat. If they were better I would be A+ by now.
I am wondering Idra sucks in terms of mechanics or game sense, or both
He repeatedly mentioned the F91 builds that suck, I really think he was just too predictable and not flexible countering to them. It is understandable to have your feeling hurt when you lose that way, in particular when you have looked at him like underdog before the match.
But seriously, I dont think his mechanics is better than F91, there were many mistakes in his micro, esp MnM micro, got flanked easily and his tank micro as well, remembering the only tank seiged within the sunken range is just painful.
To be honest, the game on Chupung was close. IdrA just was off with the positioning of tanks and a big mistake was one of his bunkers only had one marine inside, while the other bunker he unloaded and stimmed but lost 2 marines in the process. He ran 3 more marines over to get them inside and lost even more marines. It would be interesting to see how the game would have turned out if he had barely defended.
On February 23 2009 13:37 Swarmy wrote: I finally realize why I keep losing on ICCUP! It's because all my opponents are retards! Their inferior build orders and pathetic game sense make them impossible to beat. If they were better I would be A+ by now.
So many shitty poker players actually think like this, I swear it's the only reason that online poker is still profitable.
On February 23 2009 13:34 -_- wrote: So, why could someone explain why anyone should listen to rek about becoming a succesful sc player?
That's not a dig, but if I'm going to trust someone about top-level sc play (which my "omg, i once hit b- on pgt by matchup and match whoring) ass can't understand, I've been around long enough to know reks not the man.
Perspective counts for something. Rekrul at least knows (and knew) his place. You don't have to be a top pro gamer to make the observations he made in this post, you just have to have a functioning head on your shoulders.
Arrogance can be healthy. It can protect you when you're vulnerable. Is it the best way to approach pro sc? I don't know. But it's not obviously the wrong mindset to have.
On February 23 2009 13:28 InfeSteD wrote: I Think even Mike Tyson after trash talking would say something manner after losing a fight!
Actually usually Iron Mike talked about eating another boxer's babies.
Here is what I was thinking of: "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
On February 23 2009 13:37 Swarmy wrote: I finally realize why I keep losing on ICCUP! It's because all my opponents are retards! Their inferior build orders and pathetic game sense make them impossible to beat. If they were better I would be A+ by now.
omg it's so true thats why it's impossible for me to get past D... Retarded opponents.. Who the fuck goes 1 base biomech with mass valks and doesn't attack for 7 minutes??
On February 23 2009 13:30 baubo wrote: This reminds me of my high school days playing chess. When I was learning the game, my local chess club head guy(rating of 1800ish) kept making it clear to me that it's not important to mindlessly memorize all the different openings, but KNOWING the concept behind it and why they're optimal.
It's pretty stupid to BLAME opponent plays less than optimally. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life. If you're truly a progamer, you should be able to PUNISH less-than-optimal openings and plays. Not sitting there without a clue because he does a stupid build and you don't know the counter.
This. I couldn't have put it better in words.
If the opponent is doing something non-optimal, a standard build with little tweaks should give you the edge. Even if you as a progamer would consider it nonoptimal play.
Still, in a lot of games he really didn't make big mistakes. Game 1 - little mismicro/mispositioning with that first group of mmf. He could have won that battle against the lings, if he would have pulled his group behind those minerals or something. Mid risk//low-mid reward move.
Game 2 - well, his defense should have blocked that lurker attack. Even I didn't get why it didn't work, yeah his tanks were too forward and one more bunker could have done it..
if u think that starcraft is the obviously the most important thing in life, then you are a fucktard and shouldn't be alive. what is important? fucking character, which idra showed a complete lack of. i think he shouldn't be in korea taking a chance as a progamer not because hes bad at starcraft, but because he has no fucking character or a set of balls for that matter. this is so fucking low im actually disgusted with him as a person. i dont care if he goes on to win an osl, hes still a fucking loserly fuck bag. learn to be a man fucktard. no fucking character... fucking loser.
On February 23 2009 13:32 Louder wrote: This post is proof that even a human toilet like Rekrul occasionally has something worthwhile to contribute
I voted Idra would lose 1-6 so going 2-5 actually bumped my estimation of his skill a bit. And really, the excuse making is no surprise either. Idra can loosen up and act human when he's drunk but otherwise he seems pretty committed to the "hey I'm a phenomenal douchebag who gives no respect to anyone who isn't in my practice partner circle" routine.
I'm convinced his attitude is the only thing holding him back -_-
And with the exception of Strelok, it seems like "top" foreign Terrans tend to be major fucking titty baby excuse making pussies. Artosis, Idra and Aerials come to mind right away (no offense Paul, you know it's true). So what if you're playing the most technically difficult race? If you can't lose with Terran without being a cunt, play the "easy race" and shut the fuck up.
I agree that IdrA's attitude probably holds him back, not just as a human being but as a starcraft player as well. If you're losing a game and you're convinced that your opponent was incapable of rational thought and just got lucky, you're probably not going to learn very much from your losses. You gotta respect all of your opponents and the way they play, no matter how bad they are.. The same holds true for poker.
And btw, did you forget Brat_OK? Cuz that guy seems really humble and manner from what I've seen.
So, who's more of the asshole? FBH that sent an a letter to savior that he wants to befriend him then after a match which he rapes saviors dances around him again... or IdrA who likes doesn't type gg and still makes excuses/trashtalks opponents even though he knew that he was raped?
On February 23 2009 13:32 Louder wrote: This post is proof that even a human toilet like Rekrul occasionally has something worthwhile to contribute
I voted Idra would lose 1-6 so going 2-5 actually bumped my estimation of his skill a bit. And really, the excuse making is no surprise either. Idra can loosen up and act human when he's drunk but otherwise he seems pretty committed to the "hey I'm a phenomenal douchebag who gives no respect to anyone who isn't in my practice partner circle" routine.
I'm convinced his attitude is the only thing holding him back -_-
And with the exception of Strelok, it seems like "top" foreign Terrans tend to be major fucking titty baby excuse making pussies. Artosis, Idra and Aerials come to mind right away (no offense Paul, you know it's true). So what if you're playing the most technically difficult race? If you can't lose with Terran without being a cunt, play the "easy race" and shut the fuck up.
I agree that IdrA's attitude probably holds him back, not just as a human being but as a starcraft player as well. If you're losing a game and you're convinced that your opponent was incapable of rational thought and just got lucky, you're probably not going to learn very much from your losses. You gotta respect all of your opponents and the way they play, no matter how bad they are.. The same holds true for poker.
And btw, did you forget Brat_OK? Cuz that guy seems really humble and manner from what I've seen.
Actually I did, but 2 exceptions hardly changes the rule
On February 23 2009 13:34 -_- wrote: So, why could someone explain why anyone should listen to rek about becoming a succesful sc player?
That's not a dig, but if I'm going to trust someone about top-level sc play (which my "omg, i once hit b- on pgt by matchup and match whoring) ass can't understand, I've been around long enough to know reks not the man.
Perspective counts for something. Rekrul at least knows (and knew) his place. You don't have to be a top pro gamer to make the observations he made in this post, you just have to have a functioning head on your shoulders.
Arrogance can be healthy. It can protect you when you're vulnerable. Is it the best way to approach pro sc? I don't know. But it's not obviously the wrong mindset to have.
Arrogance to the point your behavior is on par with someone who is functionally retarded IS obviously the wrong mindset. I'm not saying arrogance is absolutely bad, but in this case (Idra) it objectively is.
and i think the thing about the topic being foreigners is they both still suck and no1 cares about them in the actual world of the best star players (i think this was said somewhere in the article). gg.
On February 23 2009 13:52 Licmyobelisk wrote: So, who's more of the asshole? FBH that sent an a letter to savior that he wants to befriend him then after a match which he rapes saviors dances around him again... or IdrA who likes doesn't type gg and still makes excuses/trashtalks opponents even though he knew that he was raped?
FBH is 8-2 against Savior. Idra is 2-5 against F91.
i would LOVE to get an actual progamer to comment on the games.
i am 90 percent sure, that progamer's comments will debunk all of the flamers.
idra did not do as badly as some of you say seriously....
his builds were good, and its a standard build. it doesnt matter if its predictable, standard play can counter everything with scouting.
since f91 went lurks a lot of the time, idra had to realy save up on scans, meaning he had to rely on scv for scouting info. f91 denied many of these attempts to scout, keeping idra in the dark for a lot of the time. this puts terran back A LOT.
he is a terran player, and sometimes, it is just really difficult to accept that you lost esp with terran. its very hard to find mistakes you made esp since idra's micro and macro are good enough for that not to be a major problem.
in the raid assault game, i almost thought F91 was maphacking... f91 got really lucky that game with the "no reason" sunkens.
idra clearly shows improvement in all aspects of play, but f91's anti-metagame style prevented us from seeing it blossom. we should support idra since he is a foreigner that is playing in korea. he represents us, and he has the skills to do it.
he really only needs a tiny more exp against these weird "against reason" builds until he can become a player capable of killing off zergs like f91.
On February 23 2009 13:34 -_- wrote: So, why could someone explain why anyone should listen to rek about becoming a succesful sc player?
That's not a dig, but if I'm going to trust someone about top-level sc play (which my "omg, i once hit b- on pgt by matchup and match whoring) ass can't understand, I've been around long enough to know reks not the man.
Perspective counts for something. Rekrul at least knows (and knew) his place. You don't have to be a top pro gamer to make the observations he made in this post, you just have to have a functioning head on your shoulders.
Arrogance can be healthy. It can protect you when you're vulnerable. Is it the best way to approach pro sc? I don't know. But it's not obviously the wrong mindset to have.
That bolded line right there explains exactly why confidence stems from humility and arrogance stems from insecurity. If you're not an arrogant fuck you'll never be in a situation where you're "vulnerable."
Yes, it is the wrong mindset to have, as demonstrated by Draco (who was way better than nony and WAYYY better than Idra) having problems with the other team members and leaving korea because he felt unwelcomed.
On February 23 2009 13:32 Louder wrote: "This post is proof that even a human toilet like Rekrul occasionally has something worthwhile to contribute " " If you can't lose with Terran without being a cunt, play the "easy race" and shut the fuck up."
HAHAHAHAHAH
One of those is going to be my new sig ... and I'm just not sure which one lol.
On February 23 2009 13:28 InfeSteD wrote: I Think even Mike Tyson after trash talking would say something manner after losing a fight!
Actually usually Iron Mike talked about eating another boxer's babies.
Here is what I was thinking of: "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
he switches from referring to Lewis as "you" to "he"
Not to bash or anything, but didn't people give Nony huge amounts of shit for not gging? Or just gging when he feels like it's a good thing. I remember a whole thread dedicated to this. Then when he goes to Korea people love him. I remember some comments like "HAHAHA BM TOSS FORGOT TO RESEARCH STORM FOR STORM DROP SAY GG TO THAT". What was with the sudden change in support? Was it really the Korea thing?
i think the problem with idra is that he thinks he knows how everything works and when it doesnt he thinks it was suppose to happen "this way" and he could "win this way". he doesnt learn from his mistake and probably will focus on beating the "way" it was suppose to go. i have nothing against him but comments like this "god DAMNIT fuck 2 hat muta win or lose such fucking awful games" in jaedong vs flash in the msl group F, makes me wonder if hes not thinking any deeper into the game. 2 hatch muta isnt win or lose imo. i was cheering for him to beat F91 since he is the only foreigner in korea representing us or maybe toad lmao. but yea ill still cheer him on. he makes himself nervous by saying he will win and add more pressure to himself. IDRA JUST GO WITH THE MINDSET OF "OK LETS DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND TRY TO MAKE FEW MISTAKES" that way u wont feel like shit when losing and gave it your best. congradulation f91. and nice write up rek haha
On February 23 2009 12:56 Xeris wrote: Good post, but you retards saying "IdrA shouldn't be in Korea" need to stfu ... that's not what this post is about. If you think that it's 100% idra bashing and think this post is trying to totally demean him and say he's a newb that shouldn't be in Korea you're fucking retarded.
He pointed out IdrA's flaws and faults in a mean, but funny way, but even so, he needs to be respected because hes REALLY GOOD at Starcraft ... he just isn't as good as he could be yet
No, he doesn't NEED to be respected because he's good at SC. Maybe for you that's all it takes. I don't respect a dickhead asshole just because he's good at something.
On February 23 2009 14:04 ramen247 wrote: IMO, the Flamers have barely any reason to flame.
i would LOVE to get an actual progamer to comment on the games.
You do have one progamer's comment. Idra's own.
If you do not understand why he lost after reading his comments, then you don't understand about playing competitve games(SC or anything else).
Idra is the better mechanical player. He knows the best BOs. He knows how to counter the best ZvT build orders. He knows the map inside out.
So why did he lost?
Because he only knows the answers, but not the reasoning behind it. For example, he knows that 2-hatch is better than 3-hatch on RA2. But he doesn't know how a terran should punish the zerg for going with the less-than-best 3-hatch. This is why Idra is a B-teamer.
If you read the translations of S-class progamers, you'd find that they KNOW the game. They understand the concepts inside and out, and know how to deal with just about every situation.
On February 23 2009 14:07 JIJIyO wrote: Not to bash or anything, but didn't people give Nony huge amounts of shit for not gging? Or just gging when he feels like it's a good thing. I remember a whole thread dedicated to this. Then when he goes to Korea people love him. I remember some comments like "HAHAHA BM TOSS FORGOT TO RESEARCH STORM FOR STORM DROP SAY GG TO THAT". What was with the sudden change in support? Was it really the Korea thing?
On February 23 2009 14:04 ramen247 wrote: IMO, the Flamers have barely any reason to flame.
i would LOVE to get an actual progamer to comment on the games.
You do have one progamer's comment. Idra's own.
If you do not understand why he lost after reading his comments, then you don't understand about playing competitve games(SC or anything else).
Idra is the better mechanical player. He knows the best BOs. He knows how to counter the best ZvT build orders. He knows the map inside out.
So why did he lost?
Because he only knows the answers, but not the reasoning behind it. For example, he knows that 2-hatch is better than 3-hatch on RA2. But he doesn't know how a terran should punish the zerg for going with the less-than-best 3-hatch. This is why Idra is a B-teamer.
If you read the translations of S-class progamers, you'd find that they KNOW the game. They understand the concepts inside and out, and know how to deal with just about every situation.
On February 23 2009 14:07 JIJIyO wrote: Not to bash or anything, but didn't people give Nony huge amounts of shit for not gging? Or just gging when he feels like it's a good thing. I remember a whole thread dedicated to this. Then when he goes to Korea people love him. I remember some comments like "HAHAHA BM TOSS FORGOT TO RESEARCH STORM FOR STORM DROP SAY GG TO THAT". What was with the sudden change in support? Was it really the Korea thing?
Way to talk some sense in to that nerdy little vagina slit. He needs to take his loss like a man and stop makin excuses!!! Quality post Rekrul. I have been supporting that little bitch up until this point. I have had it!!! I don't care whether he wins or loses. Idra just needs to stop bein a bitch and accept the fact that he got out played. I don't need to see results from him, I need to see a humble man willing to take his loss and say "well i fucked up, my opponent played better than me today, Im going to look over my games, fix what needs to be fixed(most importantly your attitude), and move on and keep tryin!" GOGO F91!! ZERG POWER!! F91 Fighting!!
Pure ignorance and coming up with seamless excuses for loses makes the USA player not only look bad, but also makes the country of USA look bad. This is what pisses people off the most, including myself.
More importantly, F91 isnt even a pro gamer and isnt even in Korea. hint hint nudge nudge: I would image the "professional gamer" with the experience should overall do a better job in attitude, skills, and the game itself; especially taking the game to a non-emotional level with little money involved. Its all about the image and ego.
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
this.
but maybe he did want idra to feel the effects of this 100 on 1.
On February 23 2009 13:52 Licmyobelisk wrote: So, who's more of the asshole? FBH that sent an a letter to savior that he wants to befriend him then after a match which he rapes saviors dances around him again... or IdrA who likes doesn't type gg and still makes excuses/trashtalks opponents even though he knew that he was raped?
"The games I hyped(trashtalked), you cannot even imagine or compare how much pressure it comes with it. I said those things, and I know, I am responsible. I then practice so much. So much not to disappoint the fans. Sometimes I fulfill what I said but sometimes I lose..."
This is FBH after his last game with Jaedong. And he fully expects what will follow if he does not keep his shittalks. And if you actually listen to what he has to say... you get this feeling where he's doing this for the show, not because he's arrogant. Leave FBH out of this.
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?
On February 23 2009 14:07 JIJIyO wrote: Not to bash or anything, but didn't people give Nony huge amounts of shit for not gging? Or just gging when he feels like it's a good thing. I remember a whole thread dedicated to this. Then when he goes to Korea people love him. I remember some comments like "HAHAHA BM TOSS FORGOT TO RESEARCH STORM FOR STORM DROP SAY GG TO THAT". What was with the sudden change in support? Was it really the Korea thing?
because fanboys are fucking retards
I'm pretty sure it was cause he publicly apologized and agreed to start saying "gg" from then on (when before he'd never done it). Idra picks and chooses when he says gg, which is obviously different... Though small potatoes compared to the fact that he's just a huge jerk off in general. You can't compare BM like Idra's to "BM" like Nonys.... Nony is so damn polite, used to make FPVODs with commentaries for the community, and was in general a really affable guy. People got riled up over a misunderstanding with him... There's no misunderstanding Idra.
On February 23 2009 14:08 Rekrul wrote: Louder why am I a human toilet? I don't take shit I usually give it.
It's not so much about the inflow/outflow as it is about the general contents ^^
A human toilet. Whether you like it or not you need me. I keep this place clean.
You need to expand your horizons young nerdling and realize the only people who need you are the disgusting mindless filth who cling to you like maggot to dung.
On February 23 2009 14:08 Rekrul wrote: Louder why am I a human toilet? I don't take shit I usually give it.
It's not so much about the inflow/outflow as it is about the general contents ^^
A human toilet. Whether you like it or not you need me. I keep this place clean.
You need to expand your horizons young nerdling and realize the only people who need you are the disgusting mindless filth who cling to you like maggot to dung.
Who cares if Idra says "gg" or not. The issue here is not that: It's his mindset to begin with, and his attitude. Not saying "gg" might be a reflection of it, but you're basically ignoring the whole underlying problem..
On February 23 2009 14:08 Rekrul wrote: Louder why am I a human toilet? I don't take shit I usually give it.
It's not so much about the inflow/outflow as it is about the general contents ^^
A human toilet. Whether you like it or not you need me. I keep this place clean.
You need to expand your horizons young nerdling and realize the only people who need you are the disgusting mindless filth who cling to you like maggot to dung.
So you're saying you live in a forest and wipe your ass with leaves and bury your shit?
edit: that or your house smells really friggen bad
On February 23 2009 14:07 JIJIyO wrote: Not to bash or anything, but didn't people give Nony huge amounts of shit for not gging? Or just gging when he feels like it's a good thing. I remember a whole thread dedicated to this. Then when he goes to Korea people love him. I remember some comments like "HAHAHA BM TOSS FORGOT TO RESEARCH STORM FOR STORM DROP SAY GG TO THAT". What was with the sudden change in support? Was it really the Korea thing?
because fanboys are fucking retards
I'm pretty sure it was cause he publicly apologized and agreed to start saying "gg" from then on (when before he'd never done it). Idra picks and chooses when he says gg, which is obviously different... Though small potatoes compared to the fact that he's just a huge jerk off in general. You can't compare BM like Idra's to "BM" like Nonys.... Nony is so damn polite, used to make FPVODs with commentaries for the community, and was in general a really affable guy. People got riled up over a misunderstanding with him... There's no misunderstanding Idra.
You can tell the difference when people who have met them both, like the eStro members who gave the interview, say that Nony is much easier to get along with.
I would like to know where to find idra's original quotes came from. If I had an account on Iccup, I'd prolly be below D-.. maybe even F, so I'm not in a position to comment on these games, but all this 100 on 1 flaming doesn't really help idra at all.
I never met idra, and I prolly never will, but regardless of how bm is he is in real life, all this constant flaming really serves no purpose.
On February 23 2009 14:30 ColdLava wrote: Who cares if Idra says "gg" or not. The issue here is not that: It's his mindset to begin with, and his attitude. Not saying "gg" might be a reflection of it, but you're basically ignoring the whole underlying problem..
When we have played online, you paused without saying PPP, callered me a lucker for guessing correctly on a 9pool and say BG when you won.
confidence stems from humility and arrogance stems from insecurity. If you're not an arrogant fuck you'll never be in a situation where you're "vulnerable."
Wise words Rek. You should go compile your own quotes and publish it. b(^_^)z
On February 23 2009 14:30 ColdLava wrote: Who cares if Idra says "gg" or not. The issue here is not that: It's his mindset to begin with, and his attitude. Not saying "gg" might be a reflection of it, but you're basically ignoring the whole underlying problem..
When we have played online, you paused without saying PPP, callered me a lucker for guessing correctly on a 9pool and say BG when you won.
You have no right to judge idra!
That like sayin a car jacker has no right to judge a kiddy rapist murderer
On February 23 2009 13:28 InfeSteD wrote: I Think even Mike Tyson after trash talking would say something manner after losing a fight!
Actually usually Iron Mike talked about eating another boxer's babies.
Here is what I was thinking of: "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
At my old job (Apple Technician) we somehow got the boss to buy us a huge plasma screen for our basement service department and at least 25% of the footage on it was the YouTube "Best of Mike Tyson" video montages. Guy is insane. Another personal favorite:
Female interviewer is talking to Tyson with two other male interviewers and starts to ask a question.
Tyson: Are you talking out of turn? Woman: I think we were all talking together. Tyson: I normally don't do interviews with womens (yes, "womens") unless I fornicate with them first, so unless you want to...you know...you shouldn't talk anymore.
Woman shuts up and doesn't speak anymore because she knows Tyson is dead serious.
On February 23 2009 14:30 ColdLava wrote: Who cares if Idra says "gg" or not. The issue here is not that: It's his mindset to begin with, and his attitude. Not saying "gg" might be a reflection of it, but you're basically ignoring the whole underlying problem..
When we have played online, you paused without saying PPP, callered me a lucker for guessing correctly on a 9pool and say BG when you won.
On February 23 2009 14:07 JIJIyO wrote: Not to bash or anything, but didn't people give Nony huge amounts of shit for not gging? Or just gging when he feels like it's a good thing. I remember a whole thread dedicated to this. Then when he goes to Korea people love him. I remember some comments like "HAHAHA BM TOSS FORGOT TO RESEARCH STORM FOR STORM DROP SAY GG TO THAT". What was with the sudden change in support? Was it really the Korea thing?
because fanboys are fucking retards
I'm pretty sure it was cause he publicly apologized and agreed to start saying "gg" from then on (when before he'd never done it). Idra picks and chooses when he says gg, which is obviously different... Though small potatoes compared to the fact that he's just a huge jerk off in general. You can't compare BM like Idra's to "BM" like Nonys.... Nony is so damn polite, used to make FPVODs with commentaries for the community, and was in general a really affable guy. People got riled up over a misunderstanding with him... There's no misunderstanding Idra.
Idra always answered my questions/pms about terran and other people's questions on the strat forum. He does help out.
idk rekrul i kinda agree with G5 on this one, maby you should just tell this to greg personally. I know greg is cocky, EVERYONE knows greg is cocky and bm but thats just it, everyone knows already so just inviting a thread like this will only encourage more people to bm him. If hes going to change its not going to be because of some stupid thread, its going to be because he chooses to change.
rekrul is right though , he's just a little harsh getting his opinion across idra isn't good enough to play in korea , he should go home and get a real job (or study or w/e)
if you're gonna publicize something from a private forum you could at least do all of it
On February 22 2009 20:56 IdrA wrote: please quote where i blamed lag? i did not mention it until you did, and i only said that it was the reason i kicked you. i did not lose because of lag, i never said i did.
hell i didnt even blame my opponent. i said he played risky builds that paid off because i didnt scout them or guess what he was doing. it is scapegoating to an extent, but the blame there rests on myself.
what have i said that wasnt true? and i did not flame him before the match, i did not shittalk. i was asked for a prediction and i gave one. i was wrong, that doesnt mean it was shittalking. i said he wasnt as good as korean zergs. hes not.
Bob this thread is just getting started. Please give me atleast a 24 hour grace period. I think amongst the flames there are still plenty of valid points and many more to be discussed. The very fact that there's so many posts here so fast is only a testament to how much people care about our representatives in Korea and how they act. It's a lesson for anyone.
On February 22 2009 20:56 IdrA wrote: please quote where i blamed lag? i did not mention it until you did, and i only said that it was the reason i kicked you. i did not lose because of lag, i never said i did.
hell i didnt even blame my opponent. i said he played risky builds that paid off because i didnt scout them or guess what he was doing. it is scapegoating to an extent, but the blame there rests on myself.
what have i said that wasnt true? and i did not flame him before the match, i did not shittalk. i was asked for a prediction and i gave one. i was wrong, that doesnt mean it was shittalking. i said he wasnt as good as korean zergs. hes not.
yea but it's quite clear you're just saying that to cover your ass for when the inevitable occurs (rekrul posting your other bullshit). this is not compatible with the rest of it whatsoever.
it like saying "goddamn nigger spooks" and then saying "no offense meant btw"
except... not the same at all read what he quoted. i explained in what way f91s playstyle was risky. what in that is as insulting as racial epithets? he does play risky, no one would deny that if it did not deny them an opportunity to get all riled up. saying so is not a crime. i didnt even say so publicly because it would have this effect.
god damn i love the OP. its so hilarious, yes, i know what you mean OP, have some respect and just type GG. so what the fuck if you lose, as long as you learn from mistakes. dont be so fucking angry at life, jesus christ. you(idra) have an opp. that many of us dont, so dont be fucked up and BM about just losing a fun match that you could, maybe win some money on the side. its suppose to be FUN. your ego got the best of you, no wonder i never liked you. seriously, to me, online persona reflects your offline personality too, dont ever forget that. maybe if you were sarcastic like, "DOOD ILL SO RAPE HIM LOL!" then most of us who badmouths you will be like "LOL IDRA WTF YOU LOSE LOLOL" just have fun. my goodness.
i dont know, rek has a point, even though rek is probably drunk on some shit. props.
Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
i agree with Rek, but I think it fails to be constructive criticism. Reading machine and G5's post, i absolutely agree with them. Rek, you ask Idra to be mannered, where are yours?
On February 23 2009 15:03 AttackZerg wrote: Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
i havent read the whole thread, but the posts by g5 and machine on the last couple of pages were nothing to respond to "ya he can be a prick but its kinda gay to try to address it this way" ok?
On February 23 2009 15:03 AttackZerg wrote: Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
You just call me a retard because I tend to point out when you say wrong things. You can't even spell "through," you say "threw," you always always always swap your, you're, their, there, etc; these are basic tenets of the English language; I question your capability for intellectual thought processes when you are incapable of these basic things
On February 23 2009 15:03 AttackZerg wrote: Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
You just call me a retard because I tend to point out when you say wrong things. You can't even spell "through," you say "threw," you always always always swap your, you're, their, there, etc; these are basic tenets of the English language; I question your capability for intellectual thought processes when you are incapable of these basic things
I called you a retard because I've never seen anything else from you same with raithed.
Ah remember his [AfO] days when he would lose to the same build over and over and over and over and over. He lost a billion times in a row to the same bunker rush, over and over when he played zerg.
On February 23 2009 15:03 AttackZerg wrote: Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
i havent read the whole thread, but the posts by g5 and machine on the last couple of pages were nothing to respond to "ya he can be a prick but its kinda gay to try to address it this way" ok?
Yes, so communite with them .... if you agree with any of there unanamious opinions. This thread will only get worse with you posting here and you know that , it is a trap.
On August 07 2006 14:26 BroOd wrote: what do you pay in rent, rek?
THIS IS PROGAMING GOSSIP YOU MOTHER FUCKER GET THE FUCK OUT HOW DOES MY RENT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD.
Not much.
On August 07 2006 14:52 Rekrul wrote: Not that this comes as a surprise, but...
Manifesto7 spits mad game in Korean night clubs.
(He kept telling girls his name was Kang Min. Not that they knew what it meant or anything, but mother fucker spit that shit so smooth that they didn't care.)
On August 07 2006 15:14 Rekrul wrote: I once witnessed Yellow lose a huge pot in the casino.
Son of a bitch didn't move a muscle. Not a single fucking flinch. He didn't care at all.
On February 23 2009 15:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: uh???? he used the present tense for a reason
I don't see any situation where "You just call" makes grammatical sense.
"You just call me a retard because [...]" is a general statement, implying that this situation has happened multiple times before and will happen again
"You just called me a retard because [...]" is one incident in the past "You are just calling me a retard [...]" refers to one ongoing incident
On February 23 2009 15:16 koreasilver wrote: Whenever people run out of argument on the internet, they start nitpicking the opponent's flaws in spelling and grammar.
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
OK, G5, I know you're getting emotional cause this is about one of your good friends, Greg, but don't get all silly on me like in the PM U just sent: (sorry it was ridiculous I had to include it)
"You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?"
Do you think your witty / cool with your little frat boy phrases?
Either write a real response or ignore my post completely; which in this case would be appropriate considering it was a rhetorical post which any idiot could understand would be the right / respectful thing to do.
Don't throw out some idiotic bullshit phrase. Which you probably think makes you sound cool because it insinuates that you have sex which is something you try to make very clear as often as possible. Hey guess what big shot? No one fucking cares. Get over yourself.
What I was implying with my blowjob statement was that if I put my time into writing something like this I want to get something out of it. You all know I love the shit-storms more than anyone. Atleast I admit my flaws!!! (cough). Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples. Sex/sexual experience does not make anyone special in anyway and to assume that I would think something like that 'makes me cool' is an idiotic assumption. To tell me 'no one fucking cares' is like telling an athiest that God doesn't exist. No shit sherlock. Thats what guys do. They talk about sex and shit all the time. Just cause not many of TL.netters write about it all the time doesn't mean I'm trying to act like I'm cool. I am a big shot though, thats for sure.
You think these kinds of things should be kept private. I don't. Especially not for the one remaining foreigner in Korea. He is our our respresentative whether he likes it or not. Whether or not he truly cares about that fact or not doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me if he's only in it for himself. The least he can do is publically ACT respectfully even if he curses to you or artosis or whoever on MSN about how much F91 sucks.
I would never have posted this if IdrA didn't write those pathetic comments. When I first heard that F91 beat IdrA I really didn't even think anything of it. I didn't even think to myself "wow Idra still sucks?" All I merely thought was "Wow whos F91? LOL." But he's the one that made it a public issue by whining with exucses rather than saying "GG, well played."
This is not 100 vs 1. This is not a fight, this is many shared opinions that shed light onto the truth of a situation. These are all fans of IdrA's whos expectations were let down not only by his performance, but much more importantly: his attitude. People are not just flaming him to flame him (except superiorwolf but he's just a faggot) they are upset that they have been let down. Their posts show they still care and would like IdrA to change his ways. I think it's a valuable lesson if he can disregard all the faggot flame posts from idiots.
IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
On February 23 2009 15:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On February 23 2009 15:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: uh???? he used the present tense for a reason
I don't see any situation where "You just call" makes grammatical sense.
"You just call me a retard because [...]" is a general statement, implying that this situation has happened multiple times before and will happen again
"You just called me a retard because [...]" is one incident in the past "You are just calling me a retard [...]" refers to one ongoing incident
but I had only called that retard a retard once before and I don't play on calling that retard a retard ever again..... so obviously "is a general statement, implying that this situation has happened multiple times before and will happen again " is incorrect because I only called him a fucking retard one time and never plan to address him again.
On February 23 2009 15:18 Rekrul wrote: Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples.
On February 23 2009 15:03 AttackZerg wrote: Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
i havent read the whole thread, but the posts by g5 and machine on the last couple of pages were nothing to respond to "ya he can be a prick but its kinda gay to try to address it this way" ok?
Your only response should be to apologize for your BM and tell everyone that you will try harder next time. You thank those who are still supporting you. You plan to still try harder in Korea, because just being over in Korea does not grant you the ability to play better. You have put in hard work and made sacrafices to make it this far, you hope that both your fans and nay-sayers can atleast respect that. Tell the community that you have been there about a year, lasting longer than many foreigners. So at the very least, you have heart.
Don't dig a hole any further, you have a new scene to excel in. Defending yourself from TL.net members is not something you should wrack your mind over. Take my advice on this, keep your head down, and just work.
There are a whole lot of ways to act when facing a loss and no one who considers themselves a professional should say the things that you said.
Just for a random example, a Canadian UFC fighter GSP was booed the first time he fought in the UFC for no other reason that he was canadian, in less than 2 fights he was one of the most liked fighters in the entire world just because of the way he acted before fights and after wins and losses.
This is how professionals should act.
It's honestly part of your job to represent yourself and your team and market your image. Behaving like you do can hold you back so much and honestly, after you get over yourself it feels really nice to be well mannered and show respect to people deserving of it.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
On August 07 2006 15:44 Rekrul wrote: Koreans usually don't look strangers in the eyes. Atleast thats true for gamers, most don't have very good social skills.
At MBC Trials I raped some terran round one. I was feeling pumped and ready for round 2 vs. Reach.
I was then walking towards him and he was walking towards me and we made eye contact, he didn't look away, neither did I. I felt the power of the mantoss. There was nothing I could do. He was Reach. I was the first one to break the eye contact. I knew what was coming.
I kinda feel sorry for all the shit Idra has to take now. But then I remember how BM he was and all my sympathy goes away and all is left is a cold empty feeling of disappointment.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ma lawd
you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
Idra, you should consider this advice, especially given how well your mass turret strat worked.
On February 23 2009 15:18 Rekrul wrote: Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples.
maybe its because I am drunk, but i found this very funny haha
A little to harsh don't you think? Its just a show match.... It's gotta be hard to think outside the box when your told to practice the same thing 10 hours a day. Hasn't everyone said they hope f91 never goes to Korea because it would kill his style. Personally I thought all the games were very entertaining. Ps I'm sorry I'm being critical of bold tag no ban please
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ma lawd
you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
something tells me you're not trying to level us and you just misunderstood him completely
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ma lawd
you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
are you being serious or making a joke lol i can't tell
rek's post was inflammatory but had some nuggets of truth buried within.
idra is not a bad player. sometimes he has a bad attitude. with all the hate directed towards him on this site, it doesn't surprise me too much. and he really has been there a year? time does go by fast...
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
OK, G5, I know you're getting emotional cause this is about one of your good friends, Greg, but don't get all silly on me like in the PM U just sent: (sorry it was ridiculous I had to include it)
"You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?"
Do you think your witty / cool with your little frat boy phrases?
Either write a real response or ignore my post completely; which in this case would be appropriate considering it was a rhetorical post which any idiot could understand would be the right / respectful thing to do.
Don't throw out some idiotic bullshit phrase. Which you probably think makes you sound cool because it insinuates that you have sex which is something you try to make very clear as often as possible. Hey guess what big shot? No one fucking cares. Get over yourself.
What I was implying with my blowjob statement was that if I put my time into writing something like this I want to get something out of it. You all know I love the shit-storms more than anyone. Atleast I admit my flaws!!! (cough). Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples. Sex/sexual experience does not make anyone special in anyway and to assume that I would think something like that 'makes me cool' is an idiotic assumption. To tell me 'no one fucking cares' is like telling an athiest that God doesn't exist. No shit sherlock. Thats what guys do. They talk about sex and shit all the time. Just cause not many of TL.netters write about it all the time doesn't mean I'm trying to act like I'm cool. I am a big shot though, thats for sure.
You think these kinds of things should be kept private. I don't. Especially not for the one remaining foreigner in Korea. He is our our respresentative whether he likes it or not. Whether or not he truly cares about that fact or not doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me if he's only in it for himself. The least he can do is publically ACT respectfully even if he curses to you or artosis or whoever on MSN about how much F91 sucks.
I would never have posted this if IdrA didn't write those pathetic comments. When I first heard that F91 beat IdrA I really didn't even think anything of it. I didn't even think to myself "wow Idra still sucks?" All I merely thought was "Wow whos F91? LOL." But he's the one that made it a public issue by whining with exucses rather than saying "GG, well played."
This is not 100 vs 1. This is not a fight, this is many shared opinions that shed light onto the truth of a situation. These are all fans of IdrA's whos expectations were let down not only by his performance, but much more importantly: his attitude. People are not just flaming him to flame him (except superiorwolf but he's just a faggot) they are upset that they have been let down. Their posts show they still care and would like IdrA to change his ways. I think it's a valuable lesson if he can disregard all the faggot flame posts from idiots.
Fucking hookers, posting trash on tl.net and being a successful gambler doesn't make you hot shit. Get over yourself and act like a civil person. And I have already stated that I agree with a lot of what you said about IdrA. I am personally referring to you now not him.
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
OK, G5, I know you're getting emotional cause this is about one of your good friends, Greg, but don't get all silly on me like in the PM U just sent: (sorry it was ridiculous I had to include it)
"You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?"
Do you think your witty / cool with your little frat boy phrases?
Either write a real response or ignore my post completely; which in this case would be appropriate considering it was a rhetorical post which any idiot could understand would be the right / respectful thing to do.
Don't throw out some idiotic bullshit phrase. Which you probably think makes you sound cool because it insinuates that you have sex which is something you try to make very clear as often as possible. Hey guess what big shot? No one fucking cares. Get over yourself.
What I was implying with my blowjob statement was that if I put my time into writing something like this I want to get something out of it. You all know I love the shit-storms more than anyone. Atleast I admit my flaws!!! (cough). Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples. Sex/sexual experience does not make anyone special in anyway and to assume that I would think something like that 'makes me cool' is an idiotic assumption. To tell me 'no one fucking cares' is like telling an athiest that God doesn't exist. No shit sherlock. Thats what guys do. They talk about sex and shit all the time. Just cause not many of TL.netters write about it all the time doesn't mean I'm trying to act like I'm cool. I am a big shot though, thats for sure.
You think these kinds of things should be kept private. I don't. Especially not for the one remaining foreigner in Korea. He is our our respresentative whether he likes it or not. Whether or not he truly cares about that fact or not doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me if he's only in it for himself. The least he can do is publically ACT respectfully even if he curses to you or artosis or whoever on MSN about how much F91 sucks.
I would never have posted this if IdrA didn't write those pathetic comments. When I first heard that F91 beat IdrA I really didn't even think anything of it. I didn't even think to myself "wow Idra still sucks?" All I merely thought was "Wow whos F91? LOL." But he's the one that made it a public issue by whining with exucses rather than saying "GG, well played."
This is not 100 vs 1. This is not a fight, this is many shared opinions that shed light onto the truth of a situation. These are all fans of IdrA's whos expectations were let down not only by his performance, but much more importantly: his attitude. People are not just flaming him to flame him (except superiorwolf but he's just a faggot) they are upset that they have been let down. Their posts show they still care and would like IdrA to change his ways. I think it's a valuable lesson if he can disregard all the faggot flame posts from idiots.
Fucking hookers, posting trash on tl.net and being a successful gambler doesn't make you hot shit. Get over yourself and act like a civil person. And I have already stated that I agree with a lot of what you said about IdrA. I am personally referring to you now not him.
We all pay for sex in one way or another. Atleast hookers are honest about it.
Trash on TL.net? Read all the posts I have ever made, they are incredibly realistic and insightful and/or provoke and provide entertainment for the community. I make TL.net fun I'm sorry if your arrogant little buddy's feelings got hurt and thus are making you emotional. Not to mention the fact that everything I said was incredibly true.
I'm a successful poker player not a gambler. There's a big difference.
I think it's already been stated that I'm obviously a human toilet, not the crap that goes in toilets. Do you see me shitting on people who don't deserve it? Sometimes with one liners but w/e. IdrA acts incredibly arrogant and it is my duty, as a human toilet or hot shit or whatever you think I think I am, to flush his ego down the drain.
If you'd like to attack me personally I'd hope you would post a more informative direct post about me and all my shortcomings so I can refute your unfounded opinions. Throwing generalizations at me trying to make me appear as some pathetic 13 year old thai hooker banging faglord with no evidence isn't exactly fair.
Focus on getting results. Whether those results are in SC or back home in university is your choice.
More so than results, just enjoy being in Korea and stop giving a fuck what a bunch of random people think. Everybody who was and is good at SC knows how talented you are and is aware you deserve to be there (of course there are others that deserve it too), but even if they didn't it would be fine because there's about 0 reason to prove it to any fuck bag on the planet. You're on CJ, they aren't. They can suck your balls. Just please stop caring so I don't have to read this garbage while I could be beating off or eating tater tots.
- F91 sucks and has done the same fucking thing since 2006 but you probably did level yourself like captain fucking poker conveyed and so admitting it and moving on would make everyone love you even more, but MOST IMPORTANTLY you would feel a shit load better about yourself instead of all this stressing. - Nada would of won with 1 finger. Ohhh nadada adandandandandnadnan andna ndana. - Artosis is awesome, Rekrul. DTs are imbalanced. Make fun of my hyung again and I'm gonna break fucking face albino style.
I'm your hyung's sonbae so maybe you better ask Artosis Hyung about his friends' ages/status before you talk to them with such disrespect you little Gae Sekki Dongseng. Don't worry. Rekrul Hyung is very forgiving and benevolent.
Manifesto7 you're my hero... I was about to go apeshit about why Emu got banned for 2 days but then I read "one shot not two" and I seriously rofl!
that was a good one
I hope I get a free shot too... rekrul u stated ur point already and everyone agrees with u.. stop postin retarded shit.. we all know IdrA is a big fuckin unsuccesful nerd and I think will never change his attitude.. its his loss.. doesnt make a diff if u post it once or a million times..
I can just imagine how jealous IdrA was when NonY came and teared shit up in Korea.. I feel bad for Greg, I can see hes a good guy when I see him talk on VODs .. hes just not the best social skilled player ... typical USA gamer ..
On February 23 2009 16:54 InfeSteD wrote: Manifesto7 you're my hero... I was about to go apeshit about why Emu got banned for 2 days but then I read "one shot not two" and I seriously rofl!
that was a good one
I hope I get a free shot too... rekrul u stated ur point already and everyone agrees with u.. stop postin retarded shit.. we all know IdrA is a big fuckin unsuccesful nerd and I think will never change his attitude.. its his loss.. doesnt make a diff if u post it once or a million times..
I can just imagine how jealous IdrA was when NonY came and teared shit up in Korea.. I feel bad for Greg, I can see hes a good guy when I see him talk on VODs .. hes just not the best social skilled player ... typical USA gamer ..
IdrA is the biggest loser ever and needs to be beat down for his trash talking... I couldnt see him saying those words in a live LAN to the players face.. I bet hed get beat up for being a fagget...
This is real life imo..
See you in two days. Flame with style, or not at all.
Rekrul really is entertaining and TL is better off with him.
Idra is pretty BM and didn't handle his loss very well, but he shouldn't be written off just yet. He's still in Korea, and can still change. No doubt his standard play has improved, but he's clearly an emotional player and until he learns to overcome them, he'll struggle.
On February 23 2009 16:54 InfeSteD wrote: Manifesto7 you're my hero... I was about to go apeshit about why Emu got banned for 2 days but then I read "one shot not two" and I seriously rofl!
that was a good one
I hope I get a free shot too... rekrul u stated ur point already and everyone agrees with u.. stop postin retarded shit.. we all know IdrA is a big fuckin unsuccesful nerd and I think will never change his attitude.. its his loss.. doesnt make a diff if u post it once or a million times..
I can just imagine how jealous IdrA was when NonY came and teared shit up in Korea.. I feel bad for Greg, I can see hes a good guy when I see him talk on VODs .. hes just not the best social skilled player ... typical USA gamer ..
Even though I don't really know IdrA I'm 100% certain he didn't give a fuck that Nony came to Korea. Nony didn't tear anything up. He almost won a courage which is awesome for TL.netters but in Korea thats like taking your fingernail to an armored car...nice try.
On February 23 2009 17:02 Rekrul wrote: Even though I don't really know IdrA I'm 100% certain he didn't give a fuck that Nony came to Korea. Nony didn't tear anything up. He almost won a courage which is awesome for TL.netters but in Korea thats like taking your fingernail to an armored car...nice try.
Maybe it's because it's 5am but I don't understand that analogy, what is that supposed to mean? Courage is meaningless?
On February 23 2009 17:02 Rekrul wrote: Even though I don't really know IdrA I'm 100% certain he didn't give a fuck that Nony came to Korea. Nony didn't tear anything up. He almost won a courage which is awesome for TL.netters but in Korea thats like taking your fingernail to an armored car...nice try.
Maybe it's because it's 5am but I don't understand that analogy, what is that supposed to mean? Courage is meaningless?
Yes, that is his point. While it's big for the foreign community, it's no big deal on the scene in general.
On February 23 2009 17:02 Rekrul wrote: Even though I don't really know IdrA I'm 100% certain he didn't give a fuck that Nony came to Korea. Nony didn't tear anything up. He almost won a courage which is awesome for TL.netters but in Korea thats like taking your fingernail to an armored car...nice try.
Maybe it's because it's 5am but I don't understand that analogy, what is that supposed to mean? Courage is meaningless?
Lol Idra reminds me of the English football team. WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING PEFORM?! WHY CAN'T YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR HYPE?!
I've got a lot of respect for Idra for going to Korea and sticking it out for so long. He might be BM but who gives a shit.
As far as I'm concerned, like him or hate him he brings a LOT of entertainment, this thread is just another example of the "Idra" effect. Everytime he does anything hilarity ensues, from the swarms of haters to the people who stick up for him (like myself I guess). No other playing could lose a series 5-2 and stir up such a MASSIVE shit storm in the process.
I just hope all the shit doesn't make him give up, because the last thing we need is another quitter. More showmatches please!
On February 23 2009 17:20 Klive5ive wrote: Lol Idra reminds me of the English football team. WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING PEFORM?! WHY CAN'T YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR HYPE?!
I've got a lot of respect for Idra for going to Korea and sticking it out for so long. He might be BM but who gives a shit.
As far as I'm concerned, like him or hate him he brings a LOT of entertainment, this thread is just another example of the "Idra" effect. Everytime he does anything hilarity ensues, from the swarms of haters to the people who stick up for him (like myself I guess). No other playing could lose a series 5-2 and stir up such a MASSIVE shit storm in the process.
I just hope all the shit doesn't make him give up, because the last thing we need is another quitter. More showmatches please!
teamliquid as a whole is a little at fault too, idra was almost encouraged to be idra, or at least expected to be his usual self with all the pregame hype
build him up, tear him down! show bizz at its best its been done many times in many sports events too, its classic this event couldnt have been more succeful, teamliquid staff at least should be thanking idra for the show, the hits and the buzzzzzzzzzz
Dont lump IdrA in with the whole foreigner scene.. He is american.
And its another PERFECT example of how "game mechanics" will not win you games! I dont care if you have 300 APM or whatever, you cant win games without game sense and overall SMARTS in Starcraft! Thats why SC2 is going to be great, taking away a small portion of the "mechanics" and putting more emphasis on skill level and smarts, rewarding originality instead of rewarding idiots who practice ONE build order for 10 hours a day for 9 months. That is NOT SKILL! Anyone can get 300 APM and perfect ONE build order like IdrA, but to actually take risks and win games based on game smarts and originality, is another level, which obviously IdrA doesnt understand (and same with most foreigners, hence why theres none in Korea right now doing well)
F91 has great game sense and originality/ability to not just use the "latest builds out of korea" and still win games. Congrats to him.
On February 23 2009 17:27 Skyze wrote: And its another PERFECT example of how "game mechanics" will not win you games! I dont care if you have 300 APM or whatever, you cant win games without game sense and overall SMARTS in Starcraft! Thats why SC2 is going to be great, taking away a small portion of the "mechanics" and putting more emphasis on skill level and smarts, rewarding originality instead of rewarding idiots who practice ONE build order for 10 hours a day for 9 months.
The way I see it, to succeed in Korea, you need to take a lot away from this series. This is not really an option. If you wish to become a successful competitor, this is mandatory.
That being said, I think Idra will take a lot out of this defeat. I do think his pride blinds him from from reaching his ultimate potential, but this is entirely reversible. If Idra takes this defeat constructively I think he has just as much potential as any other CJ B-teamer at making the A.
This is already known by pretty much everyone. I could say something cliche like "The loser learns a lesson, the winner becomes complacent." but that's not what this thread is about.
This thread is about politics. I don't think Rekrul gives a shit whether or not you go home tomorrow or bring SL titles back to America. I have to imagine that other than your close friends and hardcore fans, we're just generally not too invested in your success. We would love to see a foreigner rape pros obviously, but when we wake up in the morning, we rub one out and go to work.
What DOES matter to most the foreigners here, is your attitude. You have a VERY simple choice. This entire thread is a road-map on how to attain the affection and admiration of tons of nerdy Starcraft players from all over the world. I think you're lucky as fuck to be told so clearly how to be liked, and when you start being unlikable, to be given explicit instructions on how to fix it.
The message is clear. Whether you think F91 is a shit player or not is irrelevant, that will only determine your success in Korea, which is a separate issue. Everyone knows it's hard to lose, especially when the expectations are absolutely massive. It takes that much more character to swallow ones pride and congratulate F91 on his win, and that he deserved it for exploiting you so fantastically.
We want to like you and are, for the most part, doing our best to try and convince you to like us back but all we're getting is a cold shoulder. Treat your fans with the same respect they treat you if you want their support. If you don't give a rats ass about foreigner support, then by all means keep doing what you're doing. I really don't care.
Charisma is not hard to obtain, especially when there threads dedicated to helping you with your specific character flaws. Reflect. Adapt. These are not empty words.
On February 23 2009 17:27 Skyze wrote: Dont lump IdrA in with the whole foreigner scene.. He is american.
And its another PERFECT example of how "game mechanics" will not win you games! I dont care if you have 300 APM or whatever, you cant win games without game sense and overall SMARTS in Starcraft! Thats why SC2 is going to be great, taking away a small portion of the "mechanics" and putting more emphasis on skill level and smarts, rewarding originality instead of rewarding idiots who practice ONE build order for 10 hours a day for 9 months. That is NOT SKILL! Anyone can get 300 APM and perfect ONE build order like IdrA, but to actually take risks and win games based on game smarts and originality, is another level, which obviously IdrA doesnt understand (and same with most foreigners, hence why theres none in Korea right now doing well)
F91 has great game sense and originality/ability to not just use the "latest builds out of korea" and still win games. Congrats to him.
Noone has the brilliancy to understand this in the foreigner scene expect for Skyze, who, with his incredible amount of smarts, is going to dominate SC2 when things that require no skill like micro and macro are taken out of the game.
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Depending on how The Ultimate Gamer goes, maybe you'll get your dream.
Nah.. I'm untouchable for that. Nobody here has done a full fledge reality show But I have been a loud mouth around here! You'd think Rek would have something for me
no reason for anyone to get worked up over something so silly... congrats to f91 for playing well, hopefully both players learned something from these games
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Depending on how The Ultimate Gamer goes, maybe you'll get your dream.
Nah.. I'm untouchable for that. Nobody here has done a full fledge reality show But I have been a loud mouth around here! You'd think Rek would have something for me
It starts to air soon right? I expect you to create a thread when it does, and update the OP with torrents to episodes for those of us who don't live in the US.
I hope you name-drop Teamliquid and Starcraft frequently.
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Oh my god iNcontroL is such a BM noob for that stupid thing he said that one time. Seriously he needs to learn from his mistakes, he'll never succeed in life if he doesn't. He should listen to me for life advice, after all I know everything and maybe someday I'll finally break out and make D on ICCUP. *repeat post 10 times*
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Depending on how The Ultimate Gamer goes, maybe you'll get your dream.
Nah.. I'm untouchable for that. Nobody here has done a full fledge reality show But I have been a loud mouth around here! You'd think Rek would have something for me
Dude I'm sorry but you're way too fucking huge. Especially after that chimpanzee video no way I'll do it.
Then again insulting the quiet small ones is way more dangerous in reality, those are the ones that will actually manage to find a gun and fucking shoot you. I guess it's just instinctual for me to fear the size.
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Oh my god iNcontroL is such a BM noob for that stupid thing he said that one time. Seriously he needs to learn from his mistakes, he'll never succeed in life if he doesn't. He should listen to me for life advice, after all I know everything and maybe someday I'll finally break out and make D on ICCUP. *repeat post 10 times*
Does that do it for you?
if you don't know who rekrul is you shouldn't post in this thread dude
I find rekrul's decision on making the post public extremely immature and unwise. Despite everything you said being true, there lies a huge difference between portraying one's thoughts privately (like g5 and machine mentioned) and publicly.
Idra is bm, Idra is cocky, Idra this that.. Why was this necessary to be posted on public thread?? My guess is that you find posting other people's errors and criticizing/humiliating him publicly makes you the clown figure and this somehow satisfies your witty ego.
If you were truely intending to help idra by completely making fun of him and hoping that this would change his arrogance and manner, then I should consider going full time poker pro because you're not so clever as you say you are.
IdrA acts incredibly arrogant and it is my duty, as a human toilet or hot shit or whatever you think I think I am, to flush his ego down the drain.
No it's not. I'm sorry but being ex-progamer/poker player/admin of the site or w/e does not "give you the duty" to publicly humiliate one person.
You're earlier posts about drunken christmas party with idra and others were fantastic and pleasant to read. These kind of posts are harmless and contribute to the community as they are humorous and do not directly assualt one particular member.
Lastly, I am not one of idra's fanboys. As I mentioned above, I agree with what you posted almost 100%. However, you need to manner up and show some respect to other members as all this is, is one bm member getting humiliated by another member because his overgrown ego finds this entertaining.
On February 23 2009 18:00 mIsUZu wrote: I find rekrul's decision on making the post public extremely immature and unwise. Despite everything you said being true, there lies a huge difference between portraying one's thoughts privately (like g5 and machine mentioned) and publicly.
Idra is bm, Idra is cocky, Idra this that.. Why was this necessary to be posted on public thread?? My guess is that you find posting other people's errors and criticizing/humiliating him publicly makes you the clown figure and this somehow satisfies your witty ego.
If you were truely intending to help idra by completely making fun of him and hoping that this would change his arrogance and manner, then I should consider going full time poker pro because you're not so clever as you say you are.
IdrA acts incredibly arrogant and it is my duty, as a human toilet or hot shit or whatever you think I think I am, to flush his ego down the drain.
No it's not. I'm sorry but being ex-progamer/poker player/admin of the site or w/e does not "give you the duty" to publicly humiliate one person.
You're earlier posts about drunken christmas party with idra and others were fantastic and pleasant to read. These kind of posts are harmless and contribute to the community as they are humorous and do not directly assualt one particular member.
Lastly, I am not one of idra's fanboys. As I mentioned above, I agree with what you posted almost 100%. However, you need to manner up and show some respect to other members as all this is, is one bm member getting humiliated by another member because his overgrown ego finds this entertaining.
Making fun of people for things they cannot control and/or change is pathetic.
Making fun of people for pathetic things they do, especially for pompous harmless stuff like IdrA has done, is completely standard and acceptable....especially on the internet.
This is what happens when you put yourself in the spotlight (which he did by electing to go play in Korea whether he intended to be in the spotlight or not). Everyone talks about you, praises you, mocks you, judges you, whatever they want to do.
However, you need to manner up and show some respect to other members as all this is, is one bm member getting humiliated by another member because his overgrown ego finds this entertaining.
Show respect to members? Have you even read any of IdrA's posts on this website? LOL. He talks with a condescending tone to everyone everytime he posts on this website. If he can't handle this then boo fucking hoo.
Ultimately I doubt IdrA will gain anything from this. I hope he does but he probably won't. To have such a warped mind to have let himself act like that and write that stuff in the first place probably means he won't be open minded enough to react positively to all this and grow from it.
What you guys don't realize that I realize is that IdrA doesn't care. It's not like any of this is that big of a deal anyways. It's all harmless and meaningless. Idra/artosis/etc all were in a clan that gamed together and got off on making excuses to eachother/talking shit. It was just their thing. Idra merely made the mistake of letting that mentality carry over on TL.net after his loss. You just can't do that and not expect to feel the backlash, especially with me around. I'm always looking for material to use to entertain the masses.
Though...I heard the CJ coach reads tl.net so maybe its not all that 'harmless and meaningless.' Oops good luck explaining this one.
No it's not. I'm sorry but being ex-progamer/poker player/admin of the site or w/e does not "give you the duty" to publicly humiliate one person.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site.
On February 23 2009 18:00 mIsUZu wrote: I find rekrul's decision on making the post public extremely immature and unwise. Despite everything you said being true, there lies a huge difference between portraying one's thoughts privately (like g5 and machine mentioned) and publicly.
Idra is bm, Idra is cocky, Idra this that.. Why was this necessary to be posted on public thread?? My guess is that you find posting other people's errors and criticizing/humiliating him publicly makes you the clown figure and this somehow satisfies your witty ego.
If you were truely intending to help idra by completely making fun of him and hoping that this would change his arrogance and manner, then I should consider going full time poker pro because you're not so clever as you say you are.
IdrA acts incredibly arrogant and it is my duty, as a human toilet or hot shit or whatever you think I think I am, to flush his ego down the drain.
No it's not. I'm sorry but being ex-progamer/poker player/admin of the site or w/e does not "give you the duty" to publicly humiliate one person.
You're earlier posts about drunken christmas party with idra and others were fantastic and pleasant to read. These kind of posts are harmless and contribute to the community as they are humorous and do not directly assualt one particular member.
Lastly, I am not one of idra's fanboys. As I mentioned above, I agree with what you posted almost 100%. However, you need to manner up and show some respect to other members as all this is, is one bm member getting humiliated by another member because his overgrown ego finds this entertaining.
^Agree 100%. Rekrul, you are not helping him in any way by humiliating him publicly in front of the whole community. Idra should learn some manners but this kind of threads wont teach him but make things worse. What you could've done is tell him all these things when you meet again at a party in Seoul or smth, this way he might actually listen and take note. Instead, this way he'll get even more insecure and nervous in the future.
This is almost at the level of how harsh Korean netizens can be but... nah. Greg if you don't brush any of these comments off your shoulders then use this as more motivation to get better. I mean the fact that you're still with CJ Entus should be enough for you to keep moving forward with this.
I just watched the games now, and I fully agree with everything Rekrul said. Idra needs to pack up and go home. He obviously hasn't gotten any better since moving to Korea.
Good thing, trashtalking someone's skill who pretty much raped the living crap out of you IdrA! F91 is way ahead skill wise and he did not do an all-in build in any of the games.
If he lacks both mechanics and cheese "skill" how the hell did the "progamer" lose to him then?
Lol rek gj! People who are hating with something that is right should go and 1. look at the games then 2. read what idra said about the games he basicly said 'i lost because he didnt do what every korean b-teamer would do', as chill said 'robodra'
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Oh my god iNcontroL is such a BM noob for that stupid thing he said that one time. Seriously he needs to learn from his mistakes, he'll never succeed in life if he doesn't. He should listen to me for life advice, after all I know everything and maybe someday I'll finally break out and make D on ICCUP. *repeat post 10 times*
Does that do it for you?
if you don't know who rekrul is you shouldn't post in this thread dude
Man, I am clearly making fun of people who are not rekrul in that post : /
Good read although i dont agree with you calling F91 "some random chinese Z", F91 is a beast and prolly #1 China atm.. But yea the least IdrA could have done is say gg and show some respect..
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Oh my god iNcontroL is such a BM noob for that stupid thing he said that one time. Seriously he needs to learn from his mistakes, he'll never succeed in life if he doesn't. He should listen to me for life advice, after all I know everything and maybe someday I'll finally break out and make D on ICCUP. *repeat post 10 times*
Does that do it for you?
if you don't know who rekrul is you shouldn't post in this thread dude
Man, I am clearly making fun of people who are not rekrul in that post : /
with the frequency of posts in that nature by people who don't know rekrul, in these kinda threads, it's an easy mistake to make
On February 22 2009 20:56 IdrA wrote: please quote where i blamed lag? i did not mention it until you did, and i only said that it was the reason i kicked you. i did not lose because of lag, i never said i did.
hell i didnt even blame my opponent. i said he played risky builds that paid off because i didnt scout them or guess what he was doing. it is scapegoating to an extent, but the blame there rests on myself.
what have i said that wasnt true? and i did not flame him before the match, i did not shittalk. i was asked for a prediction and i gave one. i was wrong, that doesnt mean it was shittalking. i said he wasnt as good as korean zergs. hes not.
why are you pretending you know anything about starcraft? raid assault is covered in narrow passages and high grounds and has a very short rush distance through the center, as well as high ground immediately outside the natural. it also has a total of 2 gas expos outside the mains and naturals, both of which are near impossible to defend vs drops. as such if zerg lets terran get into the mid/long game in good shape, they are going to lose. with 3 hatch the only real option is a 3 hat lurk ling allin to try to abuse the back way, thats quite risky in itself but he wasnt even going 3 hat lair. however, the natural and main are very far apart, there is a cliff over the natural, and the main's min line is backed up against water. this makes 2 hat muta exceptionally good. this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.
kinda already talked about this too. i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again and built bunkers and a quick dropship. delayed my barracks and my vessel. instead of allining he powered, added more hatches, and went hive (and delayed his lurkers doing so). no amount of micro or game sense or scanning or whatever bullshit you're babbling about can save any terran from that point.
i said before i lost on chupung because it didnt look like an allin, he waited longer than usual for some reason and so my tanks were out of place. also i made 2 bunkers. 3 is the failsafe vs an allin. doesnt change the fact that it was an allin, just like taking a fast 3rd on tau was risky. my point is he won because he took risks and they paid off. congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.
boxer was a cheesy player with no mechanics.... in 2002... when no one had mechanics. before he went to the army his macro, though not the best in korea, was more than adequate and his micro was still among the best, on top of his creativity. and he was creative. sure he did run of the mill cheeses, but he also came up with shit no one else would do.
f91 fails on both those counts. he is not mechanically clean, at all. hell the andro game he banked like 3k/3k off of 3 gas. maybe he was saving for ultras, but i think he put up his ultra den after his money started climbing out of control (kinda has to have actually, you dont hit 3k/3k in the build time of an ultra den). and he is not clever. he simply hopes you dont guess or read which way hes gonna go. opening lurker and hoping your opponent doesnt guess properly if you're gonna attack or not is not a 'crazy rush' or a brilliant strategy. it is a coinflip.
match up with all of this?
The first part is like 'Yeah I played poorly', yet the rekrul quotes blame F91 instead of yourself.
Look IdrA, I won't lie. I don't like you - from what I've seen here and other accounts of your personality. I'm not going to pretend for one stitch of time that I do like you. However, distaste aside, Rek's got a lot of points here. Fucking respect the guy, whether he's some D- abuser or fucking BoxeR himself. You lost. Not just 3-4, but 2-5 in a series that you even claimed you would win 5-2. Not only that, but some of those games were downright awful. And some of your remarks (which you have proven the veracity of with your "quote the whole thing" statement) are plain asinine.
You say first
this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.
He went for the "dumb" build, and you looked utterly foolish against it. Seriously dude, he embarrassed you with that build. If it was so bad that it could be classified as "retarded", why would anyone, and I mean ANYONE, use it, especially against someone of your caliber, getting your training? Think about it. Just because it isn't the norm, doesn't make it retarded. It worked, for Christ's sake. You say it isn't brilliant, and it wasn't, but it wasn't "dumb" or "retarded" by any means. He exploited your mindset.
kinda already talked about this too. i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again and built bunkers and a quick dropship. delayed my barracks and my vessel. instead of allining he powered, added more hatches, and went hive (and delayed his lurkers doing so). no amount of micro or game sense or scanning or whatever bullshit you're babbling about can save any terran from that point.
I'm sure enough digging through replays can disprove your statement that he is an "all-in" player. Again, here he exploited your mindset here. He isn't "stupid" and he again was able to predict you. Granted, none of those things could've saved you, but I'm sure you know the saying about assuming.
i said before i lost on chupung because it didnt look like an allin, he waited longer than usual for some reason and so my tanks were out of place. also i made 2 bunkers. 3 is the failsafe vs an allin. doesnt change the fact that it was an allin, just like taking a fast 3rd on tau was risky. my point is he won because he took risks and they paid off. congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.
He took risks. You really didn't. The real issue here is the whole "people trying to use the games on skill are clueless" line. What the fuck are we supposed to use then, guesses? Yes, you are on CJ Entus, in Korea. Yes, he is in China, not on a pro-team. But he just beat the living daylights out of you in a best of 7 series five games to two. And you want to tell us he's not the better player, because he used "dumb" builds? Alright, then, Bisu is 2-4 vs. Jaedong, but you know what? I think Bisu is better than Jaedong, because I don't think Jaedong used good builds those games. Bisu wasn't prepared. I don't actually know the premise of those games (I took two random gamers on my mind and TLPDed it), but that's basically what you're asking us to do.
boxer was a cheesy player with no mechanics.... in 2002... when no one had mechanics. before he went to the army his macro, though not the best in korea, was more than adequate and his micro was still among the best, on top of his creativity. and he was creative. sure he did run of the mill cheeses, but he also came up with shit no one else would do.
f91 fails on both those counts. he is not mechanically clean, at all. hell the andro game he banked like 3k/3k off of 3 gas. maybe he was saving for ultras, but i think he put up his ultra den after his money started climbing out of control (kinda has to have actually, you dont hit 3k/3k in the build time of an ultra den). and he is not clever. he simply hopes you dont guess or read which way hes gonna go. opening lurker and hoping your opponent doesnt guess properly if you're gonna attack or not is not a 'crazy rush' or a brilliant strategy. it is a coinflip.
First of all, I don't see where BoxeR comes in, but maybe some of the context of this quote is missing. I'll just say that yes, Boxer didn't have the mechanics, but he was creative. However, creativity is somewhat relative.
So what if F91 banked 3K/3K? This game is not all mechanics, sorry to break it to you. However, disputing his cleverness is a wrong road to go down. Like I said, creativity is relative to the situation. You expected standard builds it appears. He did something different - he [b]created something to play with your head. And you know what, he outwitted, outplayed and outlasted you in every sense of the 3 words.
Basically, if a life lesson comes from this thread, it's show some god damn modesty. Admit that you lost, admit he played better than you, and move on with life, refocus.
If a StarCraft lesson comes of it, take this quote with you.
Expect the unexpected
To the thread itself:
First of all, quit the flaming, it really accomplishes nothing. Second, for everyone saying that what F91 did was NOT a good build, please give me some concrete evidence. My evidence? He just won a Best of 7 series verses a young man who is living, training and rostered with a pro-gaming team using said builds.
Third:
[B]On February 23 2009 18:34 Mastermind wrote: I just watched the games now, and I fully agree with everything Rekrul said. Idra needs to pack up and go home. He obviously hasn't gotten any better since moving to Korea.
Pretty sure Rek never actually said "Get out of Korea". He entertained the notion once or twice, but the main goal of the O.P. was not "IdrA, leave Korea now."
Finally, Rek, you are the man. Edited for that quote of 'Mastermind'
so im just wondering. whats up with the flaming of Artosis rekrul? he seems like such a good sport ^^ what did he do maybe im just missunderstanding things.
I can't believe people still don't realise this. F91 is not an "ALL in" player, he is a risk player. His style is put choice in your mind and make you make all the hard decisions.
By trying to classify him as one type of player, you have already lost the battle.
The part idra came an posted here was a closing statement to every previous statement.
The lag issue was him actually kicking the tournament host (mani) from the games and in rage saying "f91's all-ins don't work as well with you gone" ... which he apoligized for.
Again, agree with what you say. Idra isn't some random TLer but a legitimate Korean progamer, (though he has yet to proove this with his games..) and thus being discussed positively/negatively is perfectly acceptable. Especially on the internet..
However, you, idra and others know each other irl and he's a regular member here so I found the post a tad too offending as a friend. An eye to eye, some might say but you are a lot more mature than him and your words were quite insulting from third person's pespective.
And I fully agree that the guy needs to learn some manner and respect. More so than this however, needs to grow up mentally and learn to accept defeats and see where one's mistakes are so he can improve further.
Furthermore, you remind me a lot of my old highschool matey whom had similar characteristics as you. If you ever find yourself down in sheepland for whatever reasons, I would very much like to treat you some cheap liquor :D
On February 23 2009 19:09 V6 wrote: so im just wondering. whats up with the flaming of Artosis rekrul? he seems like such a good sport ^^ what did he do maybe im just missunderstanding things.
Again, agree with what you say. Idra isn't some random TLer but a legitimate Korean progamer, (though he has yet to proove this with his games..) and thus being discussed positively/negatively is perfectly acceptable. Especially on the internet..
However, you, idra and others know each other irl and he's a regular member here so I found the post a tad too offending as a friend. An eye to eye, some might say but you are a lot more mature than him and your words were quite insulting from third person's pespective.
And I fully agree that the guy needs to learn some manner and respect. More so than this however, needs to grow up mentally and learn to accept defeats and see where one's mistakes are so he can improve further.
Furthermore, you remind me a lot of my old highschool matey whom had similar characteristics as you. If you ever find yourself down in sheepland for whatever reasons, I would very much like to treat you some cheap liquor :D
I've met him a couple times IRL. That doesn't mean we are friends. Though, I like IdrA despite his unwarranted arrogance in this situation. Cyber-asshole online cute lil quiet CJ shirt sporting nerdling irl, gotta love it. I hate literally no one except people with malicious intent.
If he was my friend he wouldn't be trying to be a pro-gamer anymore, LOL.
I mean shit look at my Foreigners Suck episodes on Artosis. The kid took a huge long dump in the toilet bathroom in the VIP section making the manager mad at me the first time we really went out together. What did this accomplish? It made our friendship grow. Mad respect for that seriously. U should hear that guy ranting about imbalance IRL it's literally the funniest thing ever.
rekrul the people on this site don't remember the artosis of old, they only know him as the castor/community contributor. He has a very good sense of PR.
Be kind he keeps his temper and such away from his 'work' or the community ... no reason to put him on blast .... he doesn't make us read drievel
On February 23 2009 19:35 AttackZerg wrote: rekrul the people on this site don't remember the artosis of old, they only know him as the castor/community contributor. He has a very good sense of PR.
Be kind he keeps his temper and such away from his 'work' or the community ... no reason to put him on blast .... he doesn't make us read drievel
Thats the problem. He has the potential to be the #1 comedian the broodwar community has ever known. Make it happen artosis, I know you have it in you.
One of Tasteless's pasttimes is to invite Artosis over to his house, watch him play ICCUP, and just laugh for hours straight at the shit he says.
On February 23 2009 19:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: ...
People giving Idra strategy advice and not understanding a word he's saying is getting kind of annoying...
Idra's point is that lurker openings are a coin flip, Zerg can either allin or power, if he allins and Terran's prepared with 3 bunkers, he's going to win, if he isn't, he's going to lose. If Zerg powers and Terran's wasted money on bunkers, Zerg's going to win, if Terran hasn't wasted money, Zerg's going to lose. It's not a question of outwitting or outclassing someone, it's just a coin flip and it worked out for f91.
His argument for the RA game is that since 2 hatch muta's by far the best choice for Zerg on that map, he devised a build that would have great chances against 2 hatch. f91's 3 hatch would've put him at a considerable disadvantage if Idra had done his usual (and predictable as everyone has pointed out in this thread) builds. Since f91 had no way of knowing that Idra was playing so contrary to his usual style, his decision to go 3 hatch was bad.
Now, I'm not saying I agree with those arguments. I think the first is way too simplicistic and there are ways for a superior player to make his skill count and cut down on the luck factor. I also think it was a mistake to pick such an advanced build specifically devised to punish one particular build, when he didn't know how much credit he could give f91 for knowing the map in great detail.
But please, if you're going to respond to the strategy side of this, actually respond to what Idra's saying instead of throwing out random stuff like 'you got outwitted', 'he read you like a book' and whatever else you think sounds good.
I remember practicing with Artosis on Azalea (for some WCG prelim last year) and I tried to imitate a Nal_rA vs Frozean game (on Tau Cross, I think FPVod was available even back then) which is basically going 1gate reaver into proxy gate + DT tech. He deflected the reaver with ease (with the help of wraiths, as the build also benefits from simply allowing the T to scout you), then when the DTs walked into the undefended expo a minute later he was like "no fucking way!" Artosis is lovely in TvP.
P.s.: I'm a part of "people" , and I do remember the Artosis of old!
P.p.s.: Now that I think of it I played Artosis in USA vs HUN too like 4 years ago - and won twice with the same gay DT drop. Now you shoulda seen how he exploded there
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I'd leave the IdrA topic, it's beaten to death. I always thought he needs some grasp of reality, and I hope this may accomplish it - but who knows.
Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
and rofl at "should be said to a persons face" after all idra said about f91 in his excuses, not in face. but this is not only after f91 losses, after every loss he gives excuses bad mouthing his opponent. lucky player, risky build player, allin player, etc.
On February 23 2009 11:56 Rekrul wrote: There's more to life than one little show match you should have just had fun with it and acted in a respectful manner after you got butt-fucked.
indeed, and there's no need to write half page of text about it.
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
LOL
Idra is so opinionated and ignorant
I REMEMBER THIS ONE TIME SOME GUY BEAT THIS OTHER GUY AND TOLD ME HE USED THE SAME BUILD THREE TIMES AND WON AND THE OTHER GUY HE WAS PLAYING SHOT HIMSELF AND DIED.
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
LOL
Idra is so opinionated and ignorant
I REMEMBER THIS ONE TIME SOME GUY BEAT THIS OTHER GUY AND TOLD ME HE USED THE SAME BUILD THREE TIMES AND WON AND THE OTHER GUY HE WAS PLAYING SHOT HIMSELF AND DIED.
God, shut up.
Why should I shut up? Because you don't want to hear the truth about Idra?
Idra seems to be just dumb, he has good micro, macro and knowledge of strategies, but he is just dumb. He plays with a pre-determined strategy linearly and is not intelligent to adopt or make in game decisions as well as out of game decisions, if he was smart he would leave korea right now!
On February 23 2009 20:43 ultralisk wrote: Idra seems to be just dumb, he has good micro, macro and knowledge of strategies, but he is just dumb. He plays with a pre-determined strategy linearly and is not intelligent to adopt or make in game decisions as well as out of game decisions, if he was smart he would leave korea right now!
just shut up. There's obviously a reason why he does what he does. If he changes it, he mighit not be able to follow up with something else but saying that he is not intelligent to adopt OR make game decisions and to leave korea is just stupid
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
LOL
Idra is so opinionated and ignorant
I REMEMBER THIS ONE TIME SOME GUY BEAT THIS OTHER GUY AND TOLD ME HE USED THE SAME BUILD THREE TIMES AND WON AND THE OTHER GUY HE WAS PLAYING SHOT HIMSELF AND DIED.
God, shut up.
Why should I shut up? Because you don't want to hear the truth about Idra?
because there no way of knowing if theres any truth at all in that and you're just straight up flaming him
On February 23 2009 20:46 AttackZerg wrote: Because the chinese play showmatches and matches whenever possible. They love broodwar ... and idra never flamed him or treated him poorly.
GG doesn't mean much to me when I win either =)
But the rematch wont prove anything, Idra wont redeem himself even if he 7-0s F91. I dont think the hole point of this is whether or not Idra is better than F91
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
LOL
Idra is so opinionated and ignorant
I REMEMBER THIS ONE TIME SOME GUY BEAT THIS OTHER GUY AND TOLD ME HE USED THE SAME BUILD THREE TIMES AND WON AND THE OTHER GUY HE WAS PLAYING SHOT HIMSELF AND DIED.
God, shut up.
Why should I shut up? Because you don't want to hear the truth about Idra?
The whole idra story is logical and was predictible. Do you guys remember how he won his ticket to korea? It was north amercan only tourney , suposed to represent the best players outside korea . But at this time , ven if he was in the top 30 outside korea, there were many better players than him or at least as good in europe and he was not the best player of america at this time also.
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
LOL
Idra is so opinionated and ignorant
I REMEMBER THIS ONE TIME SOME GUY BEAT THIS OTHER GUY AND TOLD ME HE USED THE SAME BUILD THREE TIMES AND WON AND THE OTHER GUY HE WAS PLAYING SHOT HIMSELF AND DIED.
God, shut up.
Why should I shut up? Because you don't want to hear the truth about Idra?
Yes. Let's break the rule of KOTH and give Idra a ''rematch'' instead of seeking for a new worthy opponent for F91.. Give Idra the credit and the chances he deserves ! LOLZ..
Additionally if he gets a rematch it almost makes you think he is right: Losing to cheese and to the stupidity of an opponent, going for the totally wrong and bad build grants you a rematch ! o.O
All i want to say ( especially ) to Idra: I know you probably barely know me and you wont give a shit what I say, because I am one out of thousand, but listen this time: If he JUST say '' Yes in a way you guys are right, I will try to change my attidue and behaviour and instead of always searching excuses and stupid reasons for losing I will keep them for myself and focus even more on getting better and coping with the reasons why I m losing even though my skill is good enough to win ''
If you just had the balls to write this, that topic and almost every discussion in general about this case would be over. Okey, this would make a lot of persons sad ( T_T ) but it would help you to focus on gaming and practicing , it would let thousands of people look at you in a different way... It would basicaly solve all the '' problems '' with tl.net and fans of you who turned into sad entities..
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?
yar
Just because you made money doing that doesn't mean normal people like it.
yay rematch gogo! not only becouse of this idra-issue, which I do not get how so many people flames flames and flames, calling someone other a bm. :D But becouse then we would have another great set of games to watch!
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?
yar
Just because you made money doing that doesn't mean normal people like it.
On February 23 2009 21:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Yes. Let's break the rule of KOTH and give Idra a ''rematch'' instead of seeking for a new worthy opponent for F91.. Give Idra the credit and the chances he deserves ! LOLZ..
Additionally if he gets a rematch it almost makes you think he is right: Losing to cheese and to the stupidity of an opponent, going for the totally wrong and bad build grants you a rematch ! o.O
All i want to say ( especially ) to Idra: I know you probably barely know me and you wont give a shit what I say, because I am one out of thousand, but listen this time: If he JUST say '' Yes in a way you guys are right, I will try to change my attidue and behaviour and instead of always searching excuses and stupid reasons for losing I will keep them for myself and focus even more on getting better and coping with the reasons why I m losing even though my skill is good enough to win & i will get more humble and especially much more mannered ''
If you just had the balls to write this, that topic and almost every discussion in general about this case would be over. Okey, this would make a lot of persons sad ( T_T ) but it would help you to focus on gaming and practicing , it would let thousands of people look at you in a different way... It would basicaly solve all the '' problems '' with tl.net and fans of you who turned into sad entities..
On February 23 2009 21:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Yes. Let's break the rule of KOTH and give Idra a ''rematch'' instead of seeking for a new worthy opponent for F91.. Give Idra the credit and the chances he deserves ! LOLZ..
Additionally if he gets a rematch it almost makes you think he is right: Losing to cheese and to the stupidity of an opponent, going for the totally wrong and bad build grants you a rematch ! o.O
All i want to say ( especially ) to Idra: I know you probably barely know me and you wont give a shit what I say, because I am one out of thousand, but listen this time: If he JUST say '' Yes in a way you guys are right, I will try to change my attidue and behaviour and instead of always searching excuses and stupid reasons for losing I will keep them for myself and focus even more on getting better and coping with the reasons why I m losing even though my skill is good enough to win & i will get more humble and especially much more mannered ''
If you just had the balls to write this, that topic and almost every discussion in general about this case would be over. Okey, this would make a lot of persons sad ( T_T ) but it would help you to focus on gaming and practicing , it would let thousands of people look at you in a different way... It would basicaly solve all the '' problems '' with tl.net and fans of you who turned into sad entities..
this..
you just quote pointed at yourself a couple posts later? wtf? are you jesus?
On February 23 2009 21:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Yes. Let's break the rule of KOTH and give Idra a ''rematch'' instead of seeking for a new worthy opponent for F91.. Give Idra the credit and the chances he deserves ! LOLZ..
Additionally if he gets a rematch it almost makes you think he is right: Losing to cheese and to the stupidity of an opponent, going for the totally wrong and bad build grants you a rematch ! o.O
All i want to say ( especially ) to Idra: I know you probably barely know me and you wont give a shit what I say, because I am one out of thousand, but listen this time: If he JUST say '' Yes in a way you guys are right, I will try to change my attidue and behaviour and instead of always searching excuses and stupid reasons for losing I will keep them for myself and focus even more on getting better and coping with the reasons why I m losing even though my skill is good enough to win & i will get more humble and especially much more mannered ''
If you just had the balls to write this, that topic and almost every discussion in general about this case would be over. Okey, this would make a lot of persons sad ( T_T ) but it would help you to focus on gaming and practicing , it would let thousands of people look at you in a different way... It would basicaly solve all the '' problems '' with tl.net and fans of you who turned into sad entities..
this..
you just quote pointed at yourself a couple posts later? wtf? are you jesus?
I was actually jokingly thinking about someone who would do this. I can't believe someone actually did it.
wow... pure dinamite... rekrul its the sc "terminator" i agreed with the main concept but maybe the details are so rude. I think that Idra need to grow up but i think he can do it, he needs to learn many "psicologic and social" things. He still have a chance to become a "gosu", but all the people needs a SUPER-REK-SLAP IN DA FACE someday, its a friendship symbol =).
I don't get this foreigner sucks thing. Foreigners play bw out of pure love for the game. They have little to no chances of ever making any money or fame from it. That should be respected from a bw-fan point of view, no?
We're not as good as the koreans, not really suprising though is it?
As for idra, sure he is very immature and therefor behaves badly. But lets not overdo it... this bullying is making me sad, everyone is so mean when they're anonymous.
On February 23 2009 22:56 Oddysay wrote: why rekrul alway post bad post like that ? yes they are funny and some time great but he alway bash someone and say foreigner suck .
maybe idra lost but he still way better that you , and he deserve respect .
when im reading post from rekrul he alway bash someone , maybe that funny or maybe you should stop to be bitter about foreigner and korea ?
when you played in korea you did less that all the other foreigner honestly .
seriously im tired of reading this kind of post from rekrul that all .
Idra showed disrespect and now is answered with disrespect. It's something natural, he boasted, he got raped, now people bash him. Not that big of a deal.
On February 23 2009 23:02 Chill wrote: There's no way I'm sitting through 7 more games like that. No rematch.
Make it BO 5, 3 games and you are done!
I personally think bo7 is a pretty good idea. A bo5 can be over in less than 1 hour, considering players might cheese with money involved in each game.
Well, the article was just merely to remind Idra (and us) to graciously accept defeat and stop whining like spoiled little children after a fair match.
On February 23 2009 13:28 InfeSteD wrote: I Think even Mike Tyson after trash talking would say something manner after losing a fight!
Actually usually Iron Mike talked about eating another boxer's babies.
Here is what I was thinking of: "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
Yes, to be fair though - Mike showed great sportsmanship after the fight, telling Lennox that he was a very skilled and masterful boxer, admitting defeat and retracting the comments he made before the fight:
Here is a small bonus I found (Mike today):
On that note, Idra should take a lesson from Mike and be happy that he is even mentioned in the same sentence as such monumental figures as Tyson.
On February 23 2009 13:28 InfeSteD wrote: I Think even Mike Tyson after trash talking would say something manner after losing a fight!
Actually usually Iron Mike talked about eating another boxer's babies.
Here is what I was thinking of: "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
Yes, to be fair though - Mike showed great sportsmanship after the fight, telling Lennox that he was a very skilled and masterful boxer, admitting defeat and retracting the comments he made before the fight:
Idra doesn't deserve a rematch. Mannered players get chances, bad mannered players keep on sucking.
The op post is one of the best i have ever seen. The post itself is truthful, honest and done by a person who has knowledge on the subject on a level that Idra will never reach.
New game: Idra's thoughts after each game. The winner gets extremely coveted Mensrea No Prize. Here's my entry: Game 1 - What a fluke. Game 2 - He's not that terrible. Game 3 - This boy has some qualities. Game 4 - He's good almost as me. Game 5 - Duh, normal pro vs amateur. Game 6 - How I lost games 1-4 vs this chobo? Game 7 - Well 2-5, but I am still better.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ma lawd
you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
wow that was the saddest response I've ever seen. I can not force myself to hate idra anymore after seeing this hilarious display of social and cognitive incompetence on so many levels...
idra wins all matches until someone cheats with carrier/arbiter/ultras, units that idra counts as win of the opponent uses, im not sure if swarm and bc fall under these categories
On February 24 2009 00:12 One Page Memory wrote: New game: Idra's thoughts after each game. The winner gets extremely coveted Mensrea No Prize. Here's my entry: Game 1 - What a fluke. Game 2 - What a fluke. Game 3 - What a fluke. Game 4 - What a fluke. Game 5 - What a noob Game 6 - He's terrible Game 7 - Fucking cheesy newb
On February 23 2009 16:53 Rekrul wrote: I'm your hyung's sonbae so maybe you better ask Artosis Hyung about his friends' ages/status before you talk to them with such disrespect you little Gae Sekki Dongseng. Don't worry. Rekrul Hyung is very forgiving and benevolent.
On February 23 2009 16:53 Rekrul wrote: I'm your hyung's sonbae so maybe you better ask Artosis Hyung about his friends' ages/status before you talk to them with such disrespect you little Gae Sekki Dongseng. Don't worry. Rekrul Hyung is very forgiving and benevolent.
A rematch is a curtsey of the winner, even if the loosing player is bad or BM the winner should accept and own the living shit out of him and then again I don't think F91 should do it because if he looses this will continue to another rematch and more shit about Idra.
GEE GEE GEE GEE GEE BABY BABY!
And to see Rekrul die a little bit everyday inside makes me happy
On February 23 2009 15:03 AttackZerg wrote: Idra for fucks sake if your going to respond in this thread. RESPOND TO THE POSTS THAT MATTER.
People who know you and care about you are voicing similar opinions, g5,machine, rekrul (I don't know about that one) .... don't argue with the retards like noobs and raithed .. READ THE REAL POSTS AND RESPOND TO THEM.
youre retarded, quit sucking dick kthx. AND NO REMATCH LOL, I AM READING OP AGAIN. whats so wrong about reading OP only.
hahahah xD i rly lol'd when i read this post Rekrul xD hahah EPIC post again ! Geez ... IdrA suck rly bad even after playing 1 year in korean b team ... now thats a bummer . wtf ? ... cmon , just admit that u suck and quit .
f91 is definitely one of the best (or best) zerg players in China for few year, the amazing thing is that he got really good sense in the starcraft game and his timing is just awesome (cheesy way if you want to say, but i am not agree on that). most important is , humble and good play. no big mouth.
On February 23 2009 17:20 Klive5ive wrote: Lol Idra reminds me of the English football team. WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING PEFORM?! WHY CAN'T YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR HYPE?!
I've got a lot of respect for Idra for going to Korea and sticking it out for so long. He might be BM but who gives a shit.
As far as I'm concerned, like him or hate him he brings a LOT of entertainment, this thread is just another example of the "Idra" effect. Everytime he does anything hilarity ensues, from the swarms of haters to the people who stick up for him (like myself I guess). No other playing could lose a series 5-2 and stir up such a MASSIVE shit storm in the process.
I just hope all the shit doesn't make him give up, because the last thing we need is another quitter. More showmatches please!
jeje I agree100%, still he did eat a can of whoop ass, it will make him stronger though More showmatches please! - I thoroughly enjoyed this event, teamliquid is my little stress relief moments in my everyday tumble
<3 tl.net, rekrul, REKRUL POSTS! and of course Idra fighting! f91 plz re-match, Idra needs more whoop ass to make him strong so he can battle Koreans after : )
Chinese guys dont become angry. We all know who is the more skilled player. And well know the more skilled player is not the only one who is more skilled than the less skilled player!
Well when Boxer triple bunker rushed Yellow in OSL, I'm sure the storm zerg was pretty pissed at himself and wanted to prove himself as a better player asap. But imagine a post-series situation with Yellow demanding a rematch, and cry about how boxer's build were coin flip etc. It aint going to happen, man. The series are over, F91 destroyed Idra 5-2, simple as that. There is absolute no need of a rematch
alot of people are missing the point, f91 is gosu, rekul = idiot for posting otherwise, (which he did in some places) but the fact that idra needs to get a grip on reality, realise he needs an attitude change and he sucks at sc is still there! and its truth.
To stop sucking, foreigners need to make 1 proteam. It's impossible to compete with koreans who can during 10 hours with 16 people test EVERYTHING THEY WANT. And we can play only ladder games.... I remember what problems i had for preparations to WCG... West was closed to me because of poor internet connection with koreans, many non-kors didn't want to show their strategies, so i had only ladder games left + 4-5 unstable (i mean not with unlimited free time) partners like White-Ra, Dimaga, Dinot, Pomi....
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
OK, G5, I know you're getting emotional cause this is about one of your good friends, Greg, but don't get all silly on me like in the PM U just sent: (sorry it was ridiculous I had to include it)
"You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?"
Do you think your witty / cool with your little frat boy phrases?
Either write a real response or ignore my post completely; which in this case would be appropriate considering it was a rhetorical post which any idiot could understand would be the right / respectful thing to do.
Don't throw out some idiotic bullshit phrase. Which you probably think makes you sound cool because it insinuates that you have sex which is something you try to make very clear as often as possible. Hey guess what big shot? No one fucking cares. Get over yourself.
What I was implying with my blowjob statement was that if I put my time into writing something like this I want to get something out of it. You all know I love the shit-storms more than anyone. Atleast I admit my flaws!!! (cough). Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples. Sex/sexual experience does not make anyone special in anyway and to assume that I would think something like that 'makes me cool' is an idiotic assumption. To tell me 'no one fucking cares' is like telling an athiest that God doesn't exist. No shit sherlock. Thats what guys do. They talk about sex and shit all the time. Just cause not many of TL.netters write about it all the time doesn't mean I'm trying to act like I'm cool. I am a big shot though, thats for sure.
You think these kinds of things should be kept private. I don't. Especially not for the one remaining foreigner in Korea. He is our our respresentative whether he likes it or not. Whether or not he truly cares about that fact or not doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me if he's only in it for himself. The least he can do is publically ACT respectfully even if he curses to you or artosis or whoever on MSN about how much F91 sucks.
I would never have posted this if IdrA didn't write those pathetic comments. When I first heard that F91 beat IdrA I really didn't even think anything of it. I didn't even think to myself "wow Idra still sucks?" All I merely thought was "Wow whos F91? LOL." But he's the one that made it a public issue by whining with exucses rather than saying "GG, well played."
This is not 100 vs 1. This is not a fight, this is many shared opinions that shed light onto the truth of a situation. These are all fans of IdrA's whos expectations were let down not only by his performance, but much more importantly: his attitude. People are not just flaming him to flame him (except superiorwolf but he's just a faggot) they are upset that they have been let down. Their posts show they still care and would like IdrA to change his ways. I think it's a valuable lesson if he can disregard all the faggot flame posts from idiots.
Fucking hookers, posting trash on tl.net and being a successful gambler doesn't make you hot shit. Get over yourself and act like a civil person. And I have already stated that I agree with a lot of what you said about IdrA. I am personally referring to you now not him.
As you know Greg is my friend and I love him to death but I can't really defend him on this one. I honestly agree with about 90% of your post, the 10% pretty much being the bullshit about him having no skill in sc etc... Anyways man, these types of things should be said to a persons face (or since its the sc.... pm, aim, msn etc...). Shit like this shouldn't be publicly posted. It's just asking for a flame fest where 100 people gang up on 1. Simply not cool. And truthfully sitting down with someone and explaining something to someone seriously, logically and calmly is much more effective then this.
OK, G5, I know you're getting emotional cause this is about one of your good friends, Greg, but don't get all silly on me like in the PM U just sent: (sorry it was ridiculous I had to include it)
"You think I'd go down on a girl and then let her leave before giving me a blowjob?"
Do you think your witty / cool with your little frat boy phrases?
Either write a real response or ignore my post completely; which in this case would be appropriate considering it was a rhetorical post which any idiot could understand would be the right / respectful thing to do.
Don't throw out some idiotic bullshit phrase. Which you probably think makes you sound cool because it insinuates that you have sex which is something you try to make very clear as often as possible. Hey guess what big shot? No one fucking cares. Get over yourself.
What I was implying with my blowjob statement was that if I put my time into writing something like this I want to get something out of it. You all know I love the shit-storms more than anyone. Atleast I admit my flaws!!! (cough). Sex is just an integral part of all our lives and is an underlying motivation for almost everything we do or say in one way or another so I love using sexual metaphors or examples. Sex/sexual experience does not make anyone special in anyway and to assume that I would think something like that 'makes me cool' is an idiotic assumption. To tell me 'no one fucking cares' is like telling an athiest that God doesn't exist. No shit sherlock. Thats what guys do. They talk about sex and shit all the time. Just cause not many of TL.netters write about it all the time doesn't mean I'm trying to act like I'm cool. I am a big shot though, thats for sure.
You think these kinds of things should be kept private. I don't. Especially not for the one remaining foreigner in Korea. He is our our respresentative whether he likes it or not. Whether or not he truly cares about that fact or not doesn't matter. Doesn't matter to me if he's only in it for himself. The least he can do is publically ACT respectfully even if he curses to you or artosis or whoever on MSN about how much F91 sucks.
I would never have posted this if IdrA didn't write those pathetic comments. When I first heard that F91 beat IdrA I really didn't even think anything of it. I didn't even think to myself "wow Idra still sucks?" All I merely thought was "Wow whos F91? LOL." But he's the one that made it a public issue by whining with exucses rather than saying "GG, well played."
This is not 100 vs 1. This is not a fight, this is many shared opinions that shed light onto the truth of a situation. These are all fans of IdrA's whos expectations were let down not only by his performance, but much more importantly: his attitude. People are not just flaming him to flame him (except superiorwolf but he's just a faggot) they are upset that they have been let down. Their posts show they still care and would like IdrA to change his ways. I think it's a valuable lesson if he can disregard all the faggot flame posts from idiots.
Fucking hookers, posting trash on tl.net and being a successful gambler doesn't make you hot shit. Get over yourself and act like a civil person. And I have already stated that I agree with a lot of what you said about IdrA. I am personally referring to you now not him.
On February 24 2009 01:57 toshi wrote: why rematch ? he won. now we waiting for next opponent. idra had his chance and he waste it.
exactly. plus he'll get other chances, he still is the only foreign pro gamer, odds are he can still play in any show match a foreign community puts on for that very reason alone.
On the other hand f91 is a solid player , as good maybe better than all top european / usa players ( without nony) , so well he lost but it s not like if he lost to some unknown good player. Did'nt that f91 won some games vs pro on wcg / chineses tourneys? Still he his disapointing everyone and his poor mannered comments / predictions make the thing even worst. It looks like for me that idra reached his limit and will never be really better than he is now. And seems its not enough to be a "top" pro.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ma lawd
you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
wow that was the saddest response I've ever seen. I can not force myself to hate idra anymore after seeing this hilarious display of social and cognitive incompetence on so many levels...
hmm.. this is how i understand Idra's loss.. What idra has been practicing IMO is same builds over and over in an effort to perfect them. This method of practice has been explained by Artosis's thread on how Koreans practice. Although I have no idea at all what Idra actually focused in his practice in Korea, the result of this show match suggests, at least to me, that he had been practicing different build repetitively to make them more natural to him. So I think he will soon shift focus of his practice to rock-paper-scissor game of builds and so on. This is just what I think happened, no facts here.
On February 24 2009 02:45 barbahaba0 wrote: kind of harsh no? i mean ok he lost but still u make it sound like he ran over your dog
it's not about the fact that he lost, it's about the fact that after he lost he continued to trash talk his opponent and made excuses for why he lost and trying to imply that it was not his fault he lost, it was because F91 was too "dumb" to play correctly (aka the way idra thought he'd play).
Commentary was pretty good, though I didn't like the 'F Nine One' the entire time.
But, commentary with people looking at different things kind of sucks (ie, when you would tell us a dropship just got sniped and we wouldn't see it cause obs wasn't looking at it).
On February 24 2009 01:51 3D.Strelok wrote: To stop sucking, foreigners need to make 1 proteam. It's impossible to compete with koreans who can during 10 hours with 16 people test EVERYTHING THEY WANT. And we can play only ladder games.... I remember what problems i had for preparations to WCG... West was closed to me because of poor internet connection with koreans, many non-kors didn't want to show their strategies, so i had only ladder games left + 4-5 unstable (i mean not with unlimited free time) partners like White-Ra, Dimaga, Dinot, Pomi....
On February 23 2009 20:19 sMi.WiZaRd wrote: if idra thinks f91 is lucky why not make a rematch and prove everyone wrong?
i like this idea, but i'm pretty sure it's never gonna happen
i would be happy to
On February 23 2009 21:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Yes. Let's break the rule of KOTH and give Idra a ''rematch'' instead of seeking for a new worthy opponent for F91.
it wouldn't be breaking any rules, Broodsport is not KOTH like the normal liquibtions are, any 2 players can be chosen for Broodsport's
and i think idra vs f91 rematch would be a great Broodsport #2. hope it happens
oh and rekrul this thread is lame. bash foreigners because they aren't practicing or if they quit prematurely, but don't try and goad them out of korea while they're still there and working hard, please.
edit: ninja editing this in, i don't want a rematch because i think the first match was illegitimate.. it was fully legitimate. i just want to see 2 great players play again and there'd obviously be tons of hype!
On February 24 2009 03:27 funkie wrote: Why would a rematch be "great"? Idra got raped 5-2 fair and square, fuck the people who can't accept this fact.
IdrA...eat shit faggot.
ok... lets not go down this route. funkie youre the king of subtle flaming.
On February 24 2009 03:27 funkie wrote: Why would a rematch be "great"? Idra got raped 5-2 fair and square, fuck the people who can't accept this fact.
IdrA...eat shit faggot.
Agree with everything except the flame. I just say let this be a trial against idra that he needs to work on his playing a whole lot better. He is in CJ and I also expected a lot from him.
On February 23 2009 15:19 never_Nal wrote: IdrA Please do better, learn some decision making from Flash he is great at it, and for god's sake you knew F91 plays out of the box, you should've thought on scouting until you knew what was really going down, even if it means making 5 bunkers so you can defend his "surprise attacks", while you scout, you are the ""White" hope even if we don't like you or your game style, i don't want this to be a flame post but just to make you think about what are you doing wrong, and improve significantly. In StarCraft you need to think, your game can't be pure muscle Memory, Mind Over Mechanics.
making 5 bunkers guarantees you're gonna lose just as hard if theyre powering as making 1 does if theyre going allin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ma lawd
you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
wow that was the saddest response I've ever seen. I can not force myself to hate idra anymore after seeing this hilarious display of social and cognitive incompetence on so many levels...
What's sad about this is Idra says F91 was so noob he had 3k/3k built up without spending it yet he claims that making 1 bunker guarantees him a loss
To the rematch: what it would be good for? Idra had so many chances to prove himself and his korean training worth, WCG USA, TSL, now this. He didn't succeed in any of this. His eventual win in rematch wouldn't mean a thing, his eventual loss would just seal the deal even more, there would be excuses again and you could ask for re-rematch again.
Who would really like to see more of idra games...not me, BORING !!! I myself think that he is not even in top10 on foreigners, so many better players to watch so why wasting time on idra?
Nice to see Rekrul saying truth about idra and his korean "career". Got so many laughs from this thread, thanks for that.
Little over the top, no? I agree with many points, but I think you guys are way too harsh to Idra. How can you blame him for his play style? That's what they have to do in Korea.
On February 24 2009 04:48 Resonance wrote: Little over the top, no? I agree with many points, but I think you guys are way too harsh to Idra. How can you blame him for his play style? That's what they have to do in Korea.
Idra is mostly bashed because of his flaming and disrespect towards f91. He still claims to be the better player after 2000 people saw him get raped 5 -2.
F91 thinks IdrA just won't stop shittalking no matter how many series he losses. His ego will only grow bigger if he wins and that will not change him into a better player so F91 is not interested in a rematch if anyone is concerned
Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
IDRA,, are you the guy who had a like a 2 minute game vs xellos in blizzcon or something few years back? when xellos proxy a barrack outside your base u scouted when the baracks finished and u left game. was that you? sorry that was skew. screw skew. i was like ohhh wtf download replays and it turns out to be a 2minute game -_-
idra if u want some tvz help u can find me on iccup. ill help you out. (im trying to be constructive as suggested by testie. no sarcasm intended i will play him in iccup if he wants to )
I think Idra is good player and I hope he will be in the A team of CJ some day in the future. His BM shows that he is a sore loser, tough. Truth be said, however, F91 played incredibly well that series. not like just a random zerg form ICCup (trust me, I am a random zerg on ICCup). I would say that he could go and win Courage with that level of play. Anyone know why he has not gone to Korea yet? Or is my judgement off?
On February 24 2009 04:58 Ash wrote: F91 thinks IdrA just won't stop shittalking no matter how many series he losses. His ego will only grow bigger if he wins and that will not change him into a better player so F91 is not interested in a rematch if anyone is concerned
thanks for posting
the only thing i would want f91 to know is that the comments in the OP of this thread were intended to be private, and so it's unfortunate if f91 read them.
that said it's good to hear a bit of what he's thinking, and congrats to him on the big win, he played great
On February 24 2009 05:00 KingofHearts wrote: IDRA,, are you the guy who had a like a 2 minute game vs xellos in blizzcon or something few years back? when xellos proxy a barrack outside your base u scouted when the baracks finished and u left game. was that you?
That was Skew as far as i can remember.
1 Skew = 2 minutes and 11 seconds.From that time if Foreigner plays progamer, we just use this instead of Seconds.
I think F91 is just having fun playing sc now. He got married couple years ago and probably will have babies very soon. That is why I am a big fan of him. Go F91.
On February 24 2009 05:02 JohnBall wrote: I think Idra is good player and I hope he will be in the A team of CJ some day in the future. His BM shows that he is a sore loser, tough. Truth be said, however, F91 played incredibly well that series. not like just a random zerg form ICCup (trust me, I am a random zerg on ICCup). I would say that he could go and win Courage with that level of play. Anyone know why he has not gone to Korea yet? Or is my judgement off?
here comes your gay friend, idra [QUOTE]On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop [QUOTE]
Basically, Idra is a huge douche with no remorse in this Showmatch. Albeit entertaining but there's a real level of animosity. (prematch interviews, conduct ingame, postmatch comments)
2 wrongs dont make a right for sure. Thats why when your bad mannered and beaten (badly) you shouldn't have the audacity to claim to be superior.
Idra- whatever excuse works. I'm not a big starcraft player and enjoy it for what it is. A great E-sport. Your conduct is very degrading and more like something found on xbox live than in the proffesional realm of gaming.
F91- a testemant to your skill and manners. I couldnt have resisted the urge to rub it in or egg it on a bit so bully to you. Good Rape.
[QUOTE]On February 24 2009 05:12 tteou wrote: here comes your gay friend, idra [QUOTE]On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
oops, i did hurt you guys [QUOTE]On February 24 2009 05:13 KingofHearts wrote: [QUOTE]On February 24 2009 05:12 tteou wrote: here comes your gay friend, idra [QUOTE]On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
On February 24 2009 05:12 tteou wrote: here comes your gay friend, idra
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop
u r gay. dont be a douche.
On February 24 2009 05:12 tteou wrote: here comes your gay friend, idra
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop
this thread is an epic ban trap.
you guys need to take it easy. you may not like Idra's personality, but that's no reason to crucify him. He's undoubtedly a great sc player, and even the best loses sometime (Jaedong vs GGPlay). He's training hard, and there's no reason to try to break the will of the only foreigner in korea (toad does not count)
Would have been a totally different story if IdrA didn't try to valiantly defend his non-existent honor and mounds of pride and just said "Good job F91, gl in the future" or something along those lines.
Given the way he treats most members of this forum, while I don't think it's the greatest idea ever to be flaming him, I don't feel sorry in the least for him. People are only kicking him when he's down because he was such a jerk to begin with. If he acts with humility in the future, I'm sure no one will kick him if something like this happens again.
He made a personal choice to act the way he does on these forums, and these are the consequences. You're not going to convince 100 people to suddenly be ridiculously merciful. It's a mob and it'll act how it acts, not how you think it should act (hint hint)
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
totally agree, was too lazy to write something like this.
On February 24 2009 05:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Would have been a totally different story if IdrA didn't try to valiantly defend his non-existent honor and mounds of pride and just said "Good job F91, gl in the future" or something along those lines.
Seriously. Making excuses is one of the rudest things you can do after losing a match. Especially when they are made-up as Idra's are.
Idra's cheese fails: "F91 was stupid/lucky" Idra loses to all in: "I had no way of knowing!" Idra loses to standard play: "F91 is lucky i made 1 too many bunkers!"
Even worse is his subtle insistence that the outcome of the games isn't any reflection on skill. That is one of the most moronic, backwards arguments there is. How the hell else do you measure skill? You are in korea, therefore automatically better than everyone else?
On February 23 2009 12:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Rekrul: I love your Foreigners Suck Series (FFS)
Thanks to all the "believers" for making F91 vs IdrA even more sweet. Now we know that IdrA has no skill, experience, or even class.
Please learn how to make acronyms...
That aside I totally agree with you Rekrul. If he took this as a humbling experience instead of defending the puny thing he calls his pride, he might actually have gotten the sympathy of the community and could have gotten better. Instead he lost all the favour he garnered over the past year and will probably continue sucking at SC before eventually moving back to the States and sucking at life.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
On February 24 2009 05:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Would have been a totally different story if IdrA didn't try to valiantly defend his non-existent honor and mounds of pride and just said "Good job F91, gl in the future" or something along those lines.
I can see how those who have met IdrA personally can more easily sympathize, but it's no stretch at all to say that IdrA is a bm player. Even discounting what was said before and after the games, he gave a proper gg only once or twice in the entire series. I can understand his confidence before the game (I'd have thought he was a heavy favorite to win as well) but you'd think this loss would teach him some humility or respect. Doesn't seem that it has. My only two motivations for following a player are respect for their game or respect for their personality. I gave IdrA a chance and he's dissapointed me every chance he's had to prove either of these, so I for one am done supporting him.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
100% agree. Stop kicking him when he is down.
The fact is: he is not down at all, he try to make excuse and blame his opponent rather than be a bit more self-critical. F91 maybe not a better player than Idra, Idra beat F91 once in bo3. But you should give the credit to your opponent if he win the series. If you want explain why you lost, you shouldn't make the statement like F91 was acting like a idiot and make none sense decisions. Maybe his decision was risky, but what is about yours? You should look at your mistakes to get better, just keep to point out your opponent is not perfect just make you more like a loser. You lose the series because your opponent make bad decisions and has no mechanicals,etc?
If he explain his lose like what he does (see Rekur's post), he is NOT down. If "IdrA lost a show match and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view" It will be a different story. What is actually "poor wording" means for you ? No respect? Arrogant ? That is always what he does, like he lost once to one Zerg in BO3, and keep call that zerg as Noob, cry about Ultra imbalance .. . That is just hilarious. I couldn't remember when it happens, it was quite a while ago. People don't let you go away with this kind of attitude.
Rekur's post is just perfect OK. He should feel what he do wrong, otherwise he never learn. You want to keep him away from this kind of blame?
Don't always point to someone else if you fails!!!! People will not post this kind of thread against you.
Ok, when IdrA went to Korea, I was surprised that he was chosen out of all the foreigners. Nontheless, I always knew he was a bm kid (18 or 19 now?) but that didn't really bother me. I was pretty neutral about IdrA being in Korea, expecting that he wouldn't accomplish anything significant at least for a couple of years, seen by his at best mediocre results in tourneys (Courage, TSL, WCG... list goes on)
Haven't heard from this kid for awihle, with NonY stealing the spotlight only to leave Korea soon, and I was frankly excited for a showcase between IdrA and F91. As usual, IdrA was arrogant in his pre-match comments but what he said had some credibility. With months of Korean training under IdrA's belt, I figured F91 was clearly the underdog, especially since this was TvZ. Ok that's all fine, building up hype before the showmatch is acceptable but when I saw the games, I lol'd.
One thing that bothered me was that IdrA typed "g" in 2 consecutive games, (I HIGHLY doubt that was a "typo") and quit game 7 after getting buttfucked by muta micro in an straight-up typical game that he should have practiced against 12 hours a day. To my eyes, that was really unprofessional, considering this kid is technically a progamer in the CJ Entus team. Typing out "gg" is basically an unsaid requirement (Typing gg was a rule in TSL, and it should be in Showmatches) and I'm sure you type the full "gg" in your practice matches. Remember, thousands of people see the games and you owe it to yourself, nevermind all the people watching, to execute the most BASIC form of etiquette.
And no rematch please. IdrA lost 2-5 to F91 in a decisive fashion. The pregame talk was to be expected from you IdrA. Your gameplay was disappointing to say the very least, and your lack of manners clearly showed. Your postgame comments were just trying to rationalize the shell shock and frustration you felt after getting beat by the superior player, at least that day. I could have avoided all this dirt that Rekrul posted about you and lawl'd in private but because I had to see it when I was watching the games, I guess I got annoyed.
Well, good luck to you kid. Hope I don't need to experience this kind of negative drama again in what could have been a great series.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
100% agree. Stop kicking him when he is down.
The fact is: he is not down at all, he try to make excuse and blame his opponent rather than be a bit more self-critical. F91 maybe not a better player than Idra, Idra beat F91 once in bo3. But you should give the credit to your opponent if he win the series. If you want explain why you lost, you shouldn't make the statement like F91 was acting like a idiot and make none sense decisions. Maybe his decision was risky, but what is about yours? You should look at your mistakes to get better, just keep to point out your opponent is not perfect just make you more like a loser. You lose the series because your opponent make bad decisions and has no mechanicals,etc?
If he explain his lose like what he does (see Rekur's post), he is NOT down. If "IdrA lost a show match and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view" It will be a different story. What is actually "poor wording" means for you ? No respect? Arrogant ? That is always what he does, like he lost once to one Zerg in BO3, and keep call that zerg as Noob, cry about Ultra imbalance .. . That is just hilarious. I couldn't remember when it happens, it was quite a while ago. People don't let you go away with this kind of attitude.
Rekur's post is just perfect OK. He should feel what he do wrong, otherwise he never learn. You want to keep him away from this kind of blame?
Don't always point to someone else if you fails!!!! People will not post this kind of thread against you.
You must note however that Idra didn't intend for those comments to be made public (afaik). It was more of his personal rant, nothing official. Rekrul just decided to post it anyway. (At least this is my understanding of it.) Anyway I agree with those that are saying that this entire ordeal is stealing F91's spotlight. He played fantastic, best zerg outside of korea ever imo. He was a great sport to agree to play with TL (though I guess he got paid lol)
I believe IdrA actually has some skill, but he is mentally instable so he can't win games, there is too much pressure on him...thats it....its the same case of Savior when he was slumping, he had skill but would collapse under the pressure
NOTE: the whole teamliquid is acting just like FBH was dancing around Savior's booth...forget IdrA and he will start playing better NOTE#2: Idra go buy some book for improvement of self-esteem or browse wikihow or ehow for further information
The way idra played totally reminded me of this commercial:
All that standard mechanical/timing playing in the cj workshop alongside his lack of nerves made him totally miss out the obvious. I can certainly understand his frustration and I've seen his games at WWI that far surpassed the way he played here, but it is certainly no excuse for the way he acted. I remember when boxer lost to shinhwa and he was incredibly pissed off about it by the tone of the interview, but he was still congratulatory and and kept his mouth shut about it. No excuses for the fact that his games were failed cheeses or he should won had he played safer and expected the way his opponent should have played, he just took it. Hell, Nada's been raped by the most obnoxious 3rd rate pro-gamers in several important matches in his career, but he never, ever bitched about it, and became a stronger player every time, crumbling them the next time he met them.
But of course he's had his moments, we're all human and it was far more subtle, and I'm a little sympathetic cause of it:
But, I mean whats the point even to begin defending yourself, there is a low chance anyone is going to side by you in the first place and its very likely statements would be misconstrued for egoistic remarks by people. Best course of action would have been silence or even a simple congratulatory remark, no matter how empty or unfounded you may find it to be.
But man, I would really love to see this translated and see what F91 thinks of all this though...
no this is not a lecture, just some thoughts out there that may relate.
On February 23 2009 20:15 Bifur wrote: Lol, I remember one russian semi-pro (protoss) told a half-year ago that he played vs Idra 3 times in a row and each time used the 14 Nexus build. He won all 3 games and at the end of the third game Idra said "fucking 14 Nexus" and typed out.
LOL
Idra is so opinionated and ignorant
I REMEMBER THIS ONE TIME SOME GUY BEAT THIS OTHER GUY AND TOLD ME HE USED THE SAME BUILD THREE TIMES AND WON AND THE OTHER GUY HE WAS PLAYING SHOT HIMSELF AND DIED.
God, shut up.
Why should I shut up? Because you don't want to hear the truth about Idra?
On February 23 2009 23:02 Chill wrote: There's no way I'm sitting through 7 more games like that. No rematch.
ouch
ZING! Score 1 for Chill.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves.
Yes. I do. Why? Because he's a professional (Holy shit, there's that word again!) gamer. I am a simple netizen. Pros are always held to a higher standard.
On February 23 2009 19:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: ...
People giving Idra strategy advice and not understanding a word he's saying is getting kind of annoying...
Idra's point is that lurker openings are a coin flip, Zerg can either allin or power, if he allins and Terran's prepared with 3 bunkers, he's going to win, if he isn't, he's going to lose. If Zerg powers and Terran's wasted money on bunkers, Zerg's going to win, if Terran hasn't wasted money, Zerg's going to lose. It's not a question of outwitting or outclassing someone, it's just a coin flip and it worked out for f91.
His argument for the RA game is that since 2 hatch muta's by far the best choice for Zerg on that map, he devised a build that would have great chances against 2 hatch. f91's 3 hatch would've put him at a considerable disadvantage if Idra had done his usual (and predictable as everyone has pointed out in this thread) builds. Since f91 had no way of knowing that Idra was playing so contrary to his usual style, his decision to go 3 hatch was bad.
Now, I'm not saying I agree with those arguments. I think the first is way too simplicistic and there are ways for a superior player to make his skill count and cut down on the luck factor. I also think it was a mistake to pick such an advanced build specifically devised to punish one particular build, when he didn't know how much credit he could give f91 for knowing the map in great detail.
But please, if you're going to respond to the strategy side of this, actually respond to what Idra's saying instead of throwing out random stuff like 'you got outwitted', 'he read you like a book' and whatever else you think sounds good.
I really didn't mean that entire shpeal to come across as "strategical." I was trying to point out his logical fallacies in his arguments. However, you called me out on some, so I was wrong in some areas.
I wanted IdrA to win this, but I did vote for F91. I really want IdrA to do well in Korea, but he really needs to expand his mind when it comes to game play.
On February 24 2009 01:38 disciple wrote: Well when Boxer triple bunker rushed Yellow in OSL, I'm sure the storm zerg was pretty pissed at himself and wanted to prove himself as a better player asap. But imagine a post-series situation with Yellow demanding a rematch, and cry about how boxer's build were coin flip etc. It aint going to happen, man. The series are over, F91 destroyed Idra 5-2, simple as that. There is absolute no need of a rematch
Hm. Even I'm not going to defend YellOw's conduct after that match.
He went and talked about how Zerg has to 12-hatch to have a chance against Terran and it wasn't ... exactly his best moment.
Then he goes and throws a game to get BoxeR eliminated from group stages of the next OSL.
rofl Idra got ez'ed. From what I have read in OP, Idra did not gave opponent F91 props or maybe not enough props. He mentioned the maps favoring zerg and BOs f91 did he couldn't counter because of luck and risks. Can't he just admit his opponent is better than him so everyone would not bash him for not proudly losing like he should? Idra just couldn't handle the fact that he is living, eating, playing in the mecca of sc and got dominated in a bo7 series. Rekrul you certainly crossed the line. Idra definitely does not deserve this much publicity.
On February 24 2009 05:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Would have been a totally different story if IdrA didn't try to valiantly defend his non-existent honor and mounds of pride and just said "Good job F91, gl in the future" or something along those lines.
Seriously. Making excuses is one of the rudest things you can do after losing a match. Especially when they are made-up as Idra's are.
Idra's cheese fails: "F91 was stupid/lucky" Idra loses to all in: "I had no way of knowing!" Idra loses to standard play: "F91 is lucky i made 1 too many bunkers!"
Even worse is his subtle insistence that the outcome of the games isn't any reflection on skill. That is one of the most moronic, backwards arguments there is. How the hell else do you measure skill? You are in korea, therefore automatically better than everyone else?
Eh, sometimes I find myself making excuses when I lose a XC/TF race. In my mind, that really is the reason why I lost. Everyone does this once in a while, and often times it hard to realize whether or not you're putting too much blame on luck.
Psychology tells us that this is what humans do. They like to look for other things to blame. And although this might not be the best route, as denial will only cause you to look at something else and ignore the true problem, I find that it helps keeps you motivated
On February 23 2009 17:27 Skyze wrote: Dont lump IdrA in with the whole foreigner scene.. He is american.
Right, because Idra is a perfect representative of the USA. -_-
Idra represents Idra. He's not in Korea to fight for the USA. Of course he has more American fans because he is from America, but America has no say in how Idra chooses to behave. If an American Olympic athlete causes a scandal, then they can be forced to pay a fine or even banned from future Olympic games. If Idra causes a scandal, it's just Idra.
And I'm 100% sure that the Koreans don't care if you are from the USA or Canada. It's all the same to them.
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
On February 24 2009 01:38 disciple wrote: Well when Boxer triple bunker rushed Yellow in OSL, I'm sure the storm zerg was pretty pissed at himself and wanted to prove himself as a better player asap. But imagine a post-series situation with Yellow demanding a rematch, and cry about how boxer's build were coin flip etc. It aint going to happen, man. The series are over, F91 destroyed Idra 5-2, simple as that. There is absolute no need of a rematch
Hm. Even I'm not going to defend YellOw's conduct after that match.
He went and talked about how Zerg has to 12-hatch to have a chance against Terran and it wasn't ... exactly his best moment.
Then he goes and throws a game to get BoxeR eliminated from group stages of the next OSL.
also anyone saying Idra lacks skills is a fucking retard
his overall game mentality is arguably garbage, but that's much more easily improved than semi-pro level mechanics IMHO
I don't even think his understanding of the game is that bad (relative to the level he's playing at), but I think he just needs to become more adaptable/versatile
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
On February 24 2009 06:56 minus_human wrote: Also listen to Testie you freaking noobs
why should we?
I will rather listen to Rekrul, because he is correct. Idra is very bad mannered by saying that F91 played dumb. He did not type GG. He assumed, he did not adjust during the games. And its not the first time.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
It may not be the "right" thing to do but I'm sure it certainly gives people a deep sense of satisfaction to see a guy who treats everyone he comes in contact with like dog shit failing miserably - and getting to dump on him for it. It's not like Idra said gg and respectfully accepted the loss. He did what he does - he acted like a flaming fuckhead and cried about it. Of course people jump on the opportunity.
You're trying to hold people to much too high a relative standard. This isn't about constructive criticism, it's about venting and getting some revenge. Maybe it's not the moral high road, but it's certainly not wrong.
On another note, I think what would be far more effective would have been for no one to respond to any posts about this and to not make any comments at all about the series. Shake your head and forget about it. I think that would have said a lot more to Idra than a flamefest, however fun the flamefest may be -_-
Kayne West is obviously not of huge similarity, just the part where he talks about being the voice of teh Generation and how he shoulda been in the bible and shit, then he doesn't win some MTV award or w/e and throws a hugeass hissy fit and people tell him he deserves it cause he's an arrogant cockmonger
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
I agree, I think that if he doesn't learn anything he usually ends up believing his own illogical excuses dismissing any chance that he may had been wrong ingame, and in an arrogant fashion.
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves.
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves.
Bring on TSL2, that's what I say.
So you're saying you'll work 8 hours a day on TSL2? I'm sick of people being like "gogo tsl2" as if we're just too lazy to flick a switch and make it happen.
Also I'm curious to know, how well can Idra communicate with his Korean training partners from CJ? I don't think he speaks any Korean, and as far as I can guess, none of the players there know English.
could someone elaborate? If he is hardly able to communicate with them, it makes a little more sense as to why he's practice has been so mechanics-focused, while lacking the development of a bigger game perspective.
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves.
Bring on TSL2, that's what I say.
So you're saying you'll work 8 hours a day on TSL2? I'm sick of people being like "gogo tsl2" as if we're just too lazy to flick a switch and make it happen.
haha I was gonna say smth like this
and LOL there's a lot of sponsorship required, that money doesn't just grow on every fucking tree
On February 24 2009 06:55 minus_human wrote: From the other thread:
I think many new kids on TL lack the maturity to accurately judge people from a psychological standpoint
Yes Idra acted BM, but that warrants no one any right to shit talk. That's just primitive, rude and really stupid.
I believe that Idra's comments after the games were an attempt to defend himself, mostly from his own crashed confidence. I'm sure that he's really hurt inside from not performing up to everyone's, especially HIS expectations.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of sensitivity some people have displayed, just beating the guy while he's down. If you are an Idra fan, accept that he is emotional at times, and that his rudeness is ONLY A SELF-DEFENSE MECHANISM. If you are not, get an accurate view on the situation, and fucking leave it be, maybe he'll grow up emotionally someday and turn into a confident, resilient and mannered player, maybe he will not, but your trash talking about him is RETARDED.
You may express your disagreement with the fact that he can't accept his losses in the way of what is generally considered good sportsmanship, but be fucking civil about it. In all my time at TLnet, I've rarely witnessed such a moronic flamewar.
Rekrul, you knew perfectly well what you're gonna start, and in my opinion, although most of what you rudely expressed has a certain degree of validity, you went too far. You could have been more civil, and I don't really see how all the anger in your initial post is only from Idra's statements post-game, but whatever.
As the old and respected member you are, you could have made a more encouraging post, not a bashing post to start this ABSOLUTELY retarded shitstorm.You may have been right, but being so rude is of no help to anyone (especially Idra) - and this COULD have been something beneficial to the whole community, especially since you have first hand experience of what it really takes to be a professional Starcraft player.
You'd be right, except that this isn't an isolated incident where Idra just had a bad day and lost control of his emotions. I mean really, it'd be like people crying a river for FBH when Much made a heart on the map, or if Savior one day got to dance around him. What goes around comes around.
Yes... but it still doesn't feel right. I don't know, it's really hard to favorably judge Idra based on his online behavior, but I guess I'm more lenient since I can identify my past, immature self with him. I thought we, as the TLnet community could have showed more understanding, but that is really hard in real life, not to speak of an online forum, and especially if Idra isn't helping at all.
I'm sure if he would have just said GG, and make a blog afterward stating his honest concerns with his performance (which I'm pretty sure he has) hundreds of people would've have sympathized - but I guess that's really unlike him, and that's why no one but a few close friends will ever know about his more sensible part.
Oh well, I guess life goes on regardless
If you're his friend just hope he takes it in stride and learns something from this experience. Like Rekrul said, I don't think he's crying himself to sleep over this. All he can do is laugh at himself and improve. We all end up learning the hard way at one time or another.
He takes it seriously, he believes in himself and he believes he can beat anyone. In many ways that's a good thing. You can't say for sure he's just brushing it aside as nothing, I'm sure he's pretty gutted. I just hope he learns from the experiences and improves.
Bring on TSL2, that's what I say.
So you're saying you'll work 8 hours a day on TSL2? I'm sick of people being like "gogo tsl2" as if we're just too lazy to flick a switch and make it happen.
Nah you got me wrong I'm not saying that at all... I'm just saying it will be incredibly awesome if it happens. I would actually love to help in anyway I can.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
lol!
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did.
He banned Manifesto and continued with out letting him ob for the sick lag alone...ok maybe thats true but atleast don't be a dickhead about it.
He wrote about the strategies.. Sure maybe he didn't intend it like an ass-head but he came across that way, not to mention he was speaking in absolutes and being incorrect. If you're going to talk in a pompous fashion, intended or not, atleast get your facts straight or prepare for the whirlwind.
He didn't even "GG" for christ sakes. Not that I care and I don't think GG'ing should be standard as it doesn't matter...but come on it's a standard in progaming and once again even if he didn't intend it that way he was showing utter disrespect to his opponent. As harmless as it is in his eyes, it appears classless to everyone else.
It's up to those in the spotlight to act manner according to peoples expectations or else they're going to feel the hate.
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did.
He banned Manifesto and continued with out letting him ob for the sick lag alone...ok maybe thats true but atleast don't be a dickhead about it.
He wrote about the strategies.. Sure maybe he didn't intend it like an ass-head but he came across that way, not to mention he was speaking in absolutes and being incorrect. If you're going to talk in a pompous fashion, intended or not, atleast get your facts straight or prepare for the whirlwind.
He didn't even "GG" for christ sakes. Not that I care and I don't think GG'ing should be standard as it doesn't matter...but come on it's a standard in progaming and once again even if he didn't intend it that way he was showing utter disrespect to his opponent. As harmless as it is in his eyes, it appears classless to everyone else.
It's up to those in the spotlight to act manner according to peoples expectations or else they're going to feel the hate.
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
I hate testie almost as much as IdrA, nicely put Rekrul.
On February 24 2009 04:59 MYM.Testie wrote: Basically, you're a huge douche with no remorse in this thread. Albeit entertaining and there's no real level of animosity, it's at someones expense.
IdrA lost a showmatch and talked about it from a purely logical and strategic point of view with poor wording. And people like you and all the other people who flamed him acted far worse than he did. There's nothing he said that was bad enough to warrant the hate he has gotten. Far nicer words could have yielded better results. It is understood why it's done. However, the end doesn't justify the means to get rid of this perceived arrogance he has.
Now, that said. That thread might be funny or entertaining, but it was too much and is childish. Kicking someone when they're down. He's taken a lot of that in another thread previous to yours where he really didn't do anything wrong except not perform to his own expectations. This alone would have him thinking and has got to hurt him enough and mind fuck him enough when he's playing like he is right now. It's a tonne of pressure and each loss mounts onto that at that stage because he's not performing up to his expectations.
When people go around trying to tear down his ego or his arrogance... the complete audacity to ask that of someone before checking their own ego and arrogance at the door. All these people lecturing and talking down to him is just mind blowing after they have shown that they are in no position to do so by the way they are doing it.
If you want to give tips or pointers to help him out, do it in a far more constructive manner. Drop some wisdom instead. All I have seen is a bunch of children attempting to be alpha males save for a few posts. People expect him to be and act professional while not having a shred of decency or professionalism from themselves. It's no excuse that they're not on a pro team (to everyone condescending / lecturing / flaming towards him). Lead by example.
I really don't know where this idea comes from on TL.net but it's very common. Someone may do something slightly idiotic, and it gives everyone the right to be a jackass. Two wrongs don't make a right people.
If he hadn't been bm, inferiority-complex-laden, arrogant and ignorant in the first place, none of this would've happened.
This thread is 5% good arguments and 95% mindless follow-the-leader. Rekrul and Testie both have their share of fans, too blind to see the other sides arguments. Frankly I'm surprised this thing has gotten so big. IdrA sucked, he BM'd, but frankly I'm surprised at people caring this much. Have we really been lacking drama for so long?
Lastly though, this thread delivers. Those 5% quallity posts were worth it, the rest were great for laughs
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the public's expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
Testie strikes me as the older guy on the scene, who despite his past has matured. That's why he's acting with a strong morality and that's why he's more lenient to Idra. I think it's really childish to say that after all these years he's trying to prove anything.
Have you matured, Rekrul? I for one think, that while this thread could have been avoided, it was necessary. The way you did it though was uncalled for, especially since you knew what type of response you would get from the community.
You yourself said you love to stir shit up. The big question is why, and the answer isn't so hidden as you think.
On February 24 2009 07:59 minus_human wrote: [ Testie strikes me as the older guy on the scene, who despite his past has matured. That's why he's acting with a strong morality and that's why he's more lenient to Idra. I think it's really childish to say that after all these years he's trying to prove anything.
Have you matured, Rekrul? I for one think, that while this thread could have been avoided, it was necessary. The way you did it though was uncalled for, especially since you knew what type of response you would get from the community.
You yourself said you love to stir shit up. The big question is why, and the answer isn't so hidden as you think.
How was this thread uncalled for? A lot of people here felt this way about idrea and rekrul voiced it. I am however starting to wonder if Idra isn't some /b/tard that's trolling all of us..
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
while i find all of this amusing, i would agree with testie that even if a guy was being an arrogant stuck up douchebag, it really doesnt give everyone else a free license to be the same and flame him for it. but on the other hand it _is_ the internet and who can really speak of 'rights'... right..?
but that part i quoted was not fair and simply character assasination, a dirty tactic often used in politics (the whole smear campaign). calling someone out on a past moral failing in lieu of a direct logical response to discredit whatever they say from that basis is just not fair. i dont really care either way but thats one thing that annoys me and i wanted to point it out. flame away...
On February 24 2009 07:59 minus_human wrote: [ Testie strikes me as the older guy on the scene, who despite his past has matured. That's why he's acting with a strong morality and that's why he's more lenient to Idra. I think it's really childish to say that after all these years he's trying to prove anything.
Have you matured, Rekrul? I for one think, that while this thread could have been avoided, it was necessary. The way you did it though was uncalled for, especially since you knew what type of response you would get from the community.
You yourself said you love to stir shit up. The big question is why, and the answer isn't so hidden as you think.
How was this thread uncalled for? A lot of people here felt this way about idrea and rekrul voiced it. I am however starting to wonder if Idra isn't some /b/tard that's trolling all of us..
read again please.
I said this thread was NECESSARY, but the rude way Rekrul started it was over the top and he knew it would eventually lead to a raging flamewar. All I said is that he could have been more of a diplomat, but I guess that's not like him, not on TL
Stop the mud-slinging already. Think of Idra what you will, but this isn't a proper way to solve anything. I find it quite disappointing that this thread still hasn't been closed.
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
while i find all of this amusing, i would agree with testie that even if a guy was being an arrogant stuck up douchebag, it really doesnt give everyone else a free license to be the same and flame him for it. but on the other hand it _is_ the internet and who can really speak of 'rights'... right..?
but that part i quoted was not fair and simply character assasination, a dirty tactic often used in politics (the whole smear campaign). calling someone out on a past moral failing in lieu of a direct logical response to discredit whatever they say from that basis is just not fair. i dont really care either way but thats one thing that annoys me and i wanted to point it out. flame away...
I think Rekrul's point was that Testie improved from being hated on for so long by the community about his hacking, so as hated as Idra might feel right now, it can turn around if he just manners up like Testie did.
On February 24 2009 08:12 Scorch wrote: Stop the mud-slinging already. Think of Idra what you will, but this isn't a proper way to solve anything. I find it quite disappointing that this thread still hasn't been closed.
Why would this thread be close??? Im pretty sure about 70% of TL agrees what Rekrul just said and the way how he said it was perfect....
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the public's expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
Testie strikes me as the older guy on the scene, who despite his past has matured. That's why he's acting with a strong morality and that's why he's more lenient to Idra. I think it's really childish to say that after all these years he's trying to prove anything.
Have you matured, Rekrul? I for one think, that while this thread could have been avoided, it was necessary. The way you did it though was uncalled for, especially since you knew what type of response you would get from the community.
You yourself said you love to stir shit up. The big question is why, and the answer isn't so hidden as you think.
Have I matured? Fuck no. This is a cafeteria. Idras the kid on the varsity baseball team who sits the bench all season and still feels the need to pick on the kid that just got cut from the team. I'm the big fat retard with downsyndrome that doesn't like people picking on anyone so I take my macaroni and cheese, throw it in IdrA's face, and incite a food fight in the entire room.
On February 24 2009 08:12 Scorch wrote: Stop the mud-slinging already. Think of Idra what you will, but this isn't a proper way to solve anything. I find it quite disappointing that this thread still hasn't been closed.
Why would this thread be close??? Im pretty sure about 70% of TL agrees what Rekrul just said and the way how he said it was perfect....
yeah and regardless, it was still necessary for people to voice their opinions, and that has been accomplished despite all the flames and retards
Have I matured? Fuck no. This is a cafeteria. Idras the kid on the varsity baseball team who sits the bench all season and still feels the need to pick on the kid that just got cut from the team. I'm the big fat retard with downsyndrome that doesn't like people picking on anyone so I take my macaroni and cheese, throw it in IdrA's face, and incite a food fight in the entire room.
On February 24 2009 08:12 Scorch wrote: Stop the mud-slinging already. Think of Idra what you will, but this isn't a proper way to solve anything. I find it quite disappointing that this thread still hasn't been closed.
Why would this thread be close??? Im pretty sure about 70% of TL agrees what Rekrul just said and the way how he said it was perfect....
And 70% of your 70% flame mindlessly. Normally people get banned for insulting a seasoned TL member. Much better threads have been closed down because the flames got out of hand. Nothing good will come out of this thread and it should now be sufficiently clear that everyone and their grandmother thinks Idra is an asshole. I'm in no way defending Idra, I'm just saying it's enough now. Let's be civilized again.
rekrul is by far my most favorite poster, he is entertaining as hell and his threads make sure that the entertainment does not end that quickly. now continue to slash each other throats, me like!
But on topic: Usually those are the biggest noobs who trashtalk their opponent about using bad newbie strategies on them that secure them the win. So in my eyes Idra is just a huge newbie who has a major deficit in maturity.
Someone asked how Idra communicates with his korean teammates: for typing "GG" all day long you don't need much Korean language I guess
The only reason Rekrul made this thread is to have some e-drama which he loves and you guys are giving it all the attention it gets.
To me Idra has always been an arrogant classless idiot since he got semi-decent at Starcraft. Not only the ridiculous excuse-making, but also the Europe bashing etc. He writes it off about being joking, but it's not funny at all. I don't mind a little (self-)bashing but people like Idra take it way over the top and don't know when to stop. If you do know when to stop people wouldn't think of you as a classless loser.
I understand though, it's because he never amounted to anything in America in social standards that he has to act high and mighty once he reaches something. I just see it as underdeveloped social interactivity skills or whatever. He got picked on in elementary and high school for being pretty nerdy, got away from the world with Starcraft, got good at it and is now on a high horse for the first time in his life. Kind of the same thing as a fat female office manager being a bitch to her employees (Wanted anyone?) after she has been picked on in her entire high school life. It probably has to do with a good deal of maturity issues as well.
When it comes down to it though; he's overly defensive and can't take a loss resulting in him being a classless immature kid and creating a shitstorm like this with the the help of a rekrul-catalyst. The only reason people still respect him is because he's good at a computer game that no-one will care about in 5 years tops. Yay for Idra.
All in all he could definitely learn from shit like this if he takes away the arrogance and pride within him but I doubt he's able to. If he doesn't want to change his ways towards the public he shouldn't talk to the public at all (like those pre-game chats or the post-game comments).
On February 24 2009 07:47 Rekrul wrote: You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
Grudgematch between rekrul and Testie would be fantastic.
On February 24 2009 08:37 Twisted wrote: The only reason Rekrul made this thread is to have some e-drama which he loves and you guys are giving it all the attention it gets.
To me Idra has always been an arrogant classless idiot since he got semi-decent at Starcraft. Not only the ridiculous excuse-making, but also the Europe bashing etc. He writes it off about being joking, but it's not funny at all. I don't mind a little (self-)bashing but people like Idra take it way over the top and don't know when to stop. If you do know when to stop people wouldn't think of you as a classless loser.
I understand though, it's because he never amounted to anything in America in social standards that he has to act high and mighty once he reaches something. I just see it as underdeveloped social interactivity skills or whatever. He got picked on in elementary and high school for being pretty nerdy, got away from the world with Starcraft, got good at it and is now on a high horse for the first time in his life. Kind of the same thing as a fat female office manager being a bitch to her employees (Wanted anyone?) after she has been picked on in her entire high school life. It probably has to do with a good deal of maturity issues as well.
When it comes down to it though; he's overly defensive and can't take a loss resulting in him being a classless immature kid and creating a shitstorm like this with the the help of a rekrul-catalyst. The only reason people still respect him is because he's good at a computer game that no-one will care about in 5 years tops. Yay for Idra.
All in all he could definitely learn from shit like this if he takes away the arrogance and pride within him but I doubt he's able to. If he doesn't want to change his ways towards the public he shouldn't talk to the public at all (like those pre-game chats or the post-game comments).
On February 24 2009 08:37 Twisted wrote: The only reason Rekrul made this thread is to have some e-drama which he loves and you guys are giving it all the attention it gets.
lol, how's that high horse treatin ya?
To me Idra has always been an arrogant classless idiot ...
On February 24 2009 08:47 MorningMusume11 wrote: An aside: Have any other liquibitions have been as tense as this one?
No everybody else was either a civil person or wise enough to be quiet.
Btw rekrul add that famous liquibition line off your to profile ... shattered crystal, lynched blackman ... ect ... that is your best line ever anyway and you know it ^^
You're right two wrongs don't make a right. Three wrongs, the amount of times you got caught hacking, don't make a right either. Maybe thats why every time you post anywhere you're always trying to take the moral high ground and act like a manner guy. Living up to the publics expectations of you and not giving them a chance to remember when you were the most notoriously bad mannered starcraft player out only to feed your own ego by beating people with hacks. Maybe you should teach Idra your ways of public relations...you've come a long way and made almost everyone forget! Nice!
while i find all of this amusing, i would agree with testie that even if a guy was being an arrogant stuck up douchebag, it really doesnt give everyone else a free license to be the same and flame him for it. but on the other hand it _is_ the internet and who can really speak of 'rights'... right..?
but that part i quoted was not fair and simply character assasination, a dirty tactic often used in politics (the whole smear campaign). calling someone out on a past moral failing in lieu of a direct logical response to discredit whatever they say from that basis is just not fair. i dont really care either way but thats one thing that annoys me and i wanted to point it out. flame away...
I think Rekrul's point was that Testie improved from being hated on for so long by the community about his hacking, so as hated as Idra might feel right now, it can turn around if he just manners up like Testie did.
I think you are right about Rekrul's post. At least I understood it the same way. It's good that there is still someone out there who thinks facts as facts. Rude things are rude and shouldn't be considered anything else. Of course you can get another chance, you can get three or four chances, hell.. you can get even hundreds of chances and make it better then. But also there are always ppl who remember your actions in the past and let you know they remember it. That's just like the world is. And I'm talking about something you clearly decide to do or behive (like being an idiot, hacking ect. not losing some series).
You can't just kill someone with a gun -> sit in jail for let's say 12yr and learn from your "mistakes" -> then complain about how you can't buy a firearm cos "you have made it up by being in jail". That's just how it is in real world. Actions you make may open or close some doors in your life. You should act like what you represent. Like someone said, if you are a professional, you should act like a professional. There are always jealous and arrogant ppl who try to make you flip. It has always been like that and will always be, you just have to deal with it.
I also agree with Rekrul that if a person is an idiot, it's not wrong to call him an idiot, may it sound as rude as it is.. Why make things look better than they are? Things are things, you can't change them. What is said is said and you can't take it back. On the other hand apology is a response that you have understood you have done (or said) something stupid, and the best part.... YOU UNDERSTAND IT!!
In the end we all are what we speak and how we act, like everyone else sees us. What is the point being a "good person" in your own mind, if everyone else thinks you are an idiot?
That was my two cents. Not directed to IdrA, but in common for all of us 6 billion of ppl.
On February 24 2009 08:37 Twisted wrote: The only reason Rekrul made this thread is to have some e-drama which he loves and you guys are giving it all the attention it gets.
To me Idra has always been an arrogant classless idiot ...
The worse thing about this thread is that every moron around all of a sudden thinks it is ok to talk shit to anybody else posting in this thread.
Do you losers not get it ... show respect to veterans or you will be banned ... it will happen, if you don't care go for it, but realize that .... check the ban thread for people talking shit in this thread alone .. and I'm sure the number will grow ..
On February 24 2009 08:47 MorningMusume11 wrote: An aside: Have any other liquibitions have been as tense as this one?
No everybody else was either a civil person or wise enough to be quiet.
Btw rekrul add that famous liquibition line off your to profile ... shattered crystal, lynched blackman ... ect ... that is your best line ever anyway and you know it ^^
I just noticed your sig. SWEET. I really wonder to who Louder was referring to
On February 24 2009 08:47 MorningMusume11 wrote: An aside: Have any other liquibitions have been as tense as this one?
No everybody else was either a civil person or wise enough to be quiet.
Btw rekrul add that famous liquibition line off your to profile ... shattered crystal, lynched blackman ... ect ... that is your best line ever anyway and you know it ^^
I just noticed your sig. SWEET. I really wonder to who Louder was referring to
Flash ... he said dts were imbalance and that bisu was a cheesy monkey....
On February 23 2009 15:21 IdrA wrote: you kidding? blowing 500 minerals early mid game while your opponent pumps pure drones doesnt totally fuck you over? ya if you're 2x better than them you can come back, just like if you're 2x better than them you can beat an allin that you arent prepared for.
nah just kidding I thought about closing this travesty of a topic but figured I'd be the one that ruined the fun and entertainment of many so I added some fuel to the fire instead . Ha ha.
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