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DREAM-JOY
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia53 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:11:28
February 21 2009 12:10 GMT
#141
Statement from the Frag Dominant management.

I understand everyone has their own opinion, but carrying on the way #1 and #2 did was highly uncalled for. Simply ask a question and wait for a response; there is no need to insult others.

Yes, I happened to catch that post early yesterday on Team Liquid; I also had a chance to watch the video up on Starcraft For All.

As I'm sure many if not the entire Starcraft community should know, Frag Dominant has no past experience within the scene. We have had no teams, no fans, and no members from our department following the game. With the New Year rapidly approaching, the FD management sat down months back and discussed a potential new market to pursue in 2009; that being the ever popular Starcarft and it's to be released version, Starcraft 2.

Now, the main question that everyone has been asking, "why are we supporting certain people within the organization?"

We were approached by Pierre-Jean, also known as ToaD, who was very interested in beginning his journey to become a professional Starcraft player. He was scheduled to leave his home in France to attend University in Korea, where he would receive the perfect chance to practice his skills and mingle with the right people.

Now, what you probably didn't know is that ToaD was also going to be our eyes and ears over in Korea; where his job was to scout young talented players who we could possibly build a team around. A team that had potential to travel the globe while representing us and our sponsors along the way.

Is Pierre the next up and coming Starcraft player?
Only time will tell. But allowing him to make an appearance at an offline event to at least try isn't the end of the world, as many here have made it out to be.

Will Frag Dominant be supporting the Starcraft community like first planed?
Good chances are no, we won't. Many people including those behind the article on Team Liquid and the video of Starcraft For All could have easily bypassed this weeks "hot topic."

If the community as DREAM-JOY has said is hurt by our actions, then a simple request for an interview could have answered everything I just listed. I would have rather enjoyed watching that video or reading that article which stated possible hints related to Frag Dominant expanding into Korea, and ToaD was going to help pick our players.

Providing our brand with a tainted image isn't something that was necessary, and frankly was highly uncalled for.

But this wasn't a wall of text to provide shame upon those a part of the published pieces, but merely to tell our side of the story.


Thanks to those who took the time to read this over,

FD Management


And guys, maybe tone down a tad on the bad manner? D=
Phrogs!
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Japan521 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:25:20
February 21 2009 12:18 GMT
#142
This is so insane. FD has so little understanding of the korean scene it's unbelieveable. Maybe somebody should link them to the the [name] house video where players infinately stronger than ToaD who train for ~12 hours each day are all turned down by estro as they don't have the skills.

Not only that, FD doesn't appear to have made any comments regarding the iCCup abuse.. do they think we are lying? I don't understand..

well I understand that FD don't understand ;;

edit: worldcommunist8 sums up what FD need to know well on their forums
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
February 21 2009 12:20 GMT
#143
Stop being such faggots on there, you're making us look shit ;D
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
February 21 2009 12:20 GMT
#144
hmm ... he is D+ on ICCUP , and he is in Korea ? ... Now thats a bummer

but maybe he will be good someday
T H C makes ppl happy
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
February 21 2009 12:24 GMT
#145
On February 21 2009 21:20 Sinedd wrote:
hmm ... he is D+ on ICCUP , and he is in Korea ? ... Now thats a bummer

but maybe he will be good someday


Correction: He abused to D+ on ICCUP and is in Korea.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Phrogs!
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Japan521 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:26:14
February 21 2009 12:26 GMT
#146
On February 21 2009 21:24 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2009 21:20 Sinedd wrote:
hmm ... he is D+ on ICCUP , and he is in Korea ? ... Now thats a bummer

but maybe he will be good someday


Correction: He abused to D+ on ICCUP and is in Korea.


lol you beat me to it
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:28:48
February 21 2009 12:28 GMT
#147
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 21 2009 12:30 GMT
#148
lol i love his reply

being in korea will allow him to improve and mingle with the right crowds

YEAH ATTEND UNIVERSITY IN KOREA AND UR FUCKIN IN WITH THE PROGAMERS AND ULL GET IN THE LEAGUES

LOL!

ahahahah
why so 진지해?
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
February 21 2009 12:32 GMT
#149
I think just a fairly bad investment when you promote him as a player yet in your statement try to retract it to say he is a scout for other players. Koreans wont join non korean leagues because of time/lag restrictions also they think of playing us as no compition. I just think it was a rather rash decision and there seems to of been 0 research done when this investment was made which is why its being recieved so horribly.
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
Phrogs!
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Japan521 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:37:07
February 21 2009 12:33 GMT
#150
On February 21 2009 21:28 JudgeMathis wrote:
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums

edit: abusers are so hated in the SC community and the flame is almost reasonable, but shouldn't be directed at FD at this point seeing as they haven't even made a response about the abuse yet as far as I've seen
Phrogs!
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Japan521 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:36:37
February 21 2009 12:36 GMT
#151
double post sorry.
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:37:03
February 21 2009 12:36 GMT
#152
On February 21 2009 21:33 Phrogs! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2009 21:28 JudgeMathis wrote:
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums


? Sorry, I only read teamliquid.net forum. :-D
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
February 21 2009 12:37 GMT
#153
On February 21 2009 21:33 Phrogs! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2009 21:28 JudgeMathis wrote:
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums

edit: abusers are so hated in the SC community and the flame is almost reasonable, but shouldn't be directed at FD at this point seeing as they haven't made a response about the abuse as far as I've seen


That's a response in itself, to me. Not responding to multiple points that "Hey, this guy abuses" is a sign.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Phrogs!
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Japan521 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-21 12:41:09
February 21 2009 12:37 GMT
#154
On February 21 2009 21:36 JudgeMathis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2009 21:33 Phrogs! wrote:
On February 21 2009 21:28 JudgeMathis wrote:
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums


? Sorry, I only read teamliquid.net forum. :-D


Oh I thought you were talking about the insane flame frag dominants forum

edit:
On February 21 2009 21:37 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2009 21:33 Phrogs! wrote:
On February 21 2009 21:28 JudgeMathis wrote:
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums

edit: abusers are so hated in the SC community and the flame is almost reasonable, but shouldn't be directed at FD at this point seeing as they haven't made a response about the abuse as far as I've seen


That's a response in itself, to me. Not responding to multiple points that "Hey, this guy abuses" is a sign.


Lol they're probably really embarressed right now and tryign to find some excuse for his abuse
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
February 21 2009 12:40 GMT
#155
I'm sure a lot of you guys are flaming them on their forums. Honestly, the most I can say is that I don't like him abusing ICCUP lol.
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
axel
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
France385 Posts
February 21 2009 12:47 GMT
#156


Hes a fucking dishonest and egoistic idiot. First of all , he sucks balls, he sucks so much that he need to abuse to be d+ , and also , believing having a 15-0 d+ win ratio at iccup looks good is even more sucking balls thing.. He could have let his place to somebody better. WHat he s doing is nearly a thief , he steals som1 deserving to go to korea possibility and he also robs the sponsor who think hes good... and also he's suposed to recuit "new sc talent" for this team..what a morron , its like asking a D- player to solve complaints A/A+ on iccup. His game vision is so crappy that whatever he will decide/ do it will be bad.
DREAM-JOY
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia53 Posts
February 21 2009 12:50 GMT
#157
On February 21 2009 21:47 axel wrote:


Hes a fucking dishonest and egoistic idiot. First of all , he sucks balls, he sucks so much that he need to abuse to be d+ , and also , believing having a 15-0 d+ win ratio at iccup looks good is even more sucking balls thing.. He could have let his place to somebody better. WHat he s doing is nearly a thief , he steals som1 deserving to go to korea possibility and he also robs the sponsor who think hes good... and also he's suposed to recuit "new sc talent" for this team..what a morron , its like asking a D- player to solve complaints A/A+ on iccup. His game vision is so crappy that whatever he will decide/ do it will be bad.


Oh irony, how I love you so.
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
February 21 2009 13:09 GMT
#158
I am still wondering who made that decision and based on what grounds. Saying "we're not familiar with sc and had no past experience" makes them look even worse.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
February 21 2009 13:12 GMT
#159
Lol i'm not sure they're aware of what costs a pro team in Korea. If they do, you guys should get in touch with them and do something, because that means they got millions to spend >.>
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
February 21 2009 13:34 GMT
#160
omg how did i just thread this now

this is too funny
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