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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 22 2008 07:16 GMT
#1001
On September 22 2008 14:43 fight_or_flight wrote:
Palin draws a crowd of 60,000 in Florida.

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

Seriously....can someone explain this to me?


She has a very compelling story that people connect with. All her family "problems" that the media touted I think just made people realize that she has the same issues they do and she still comes out on top, achieving great things.

I also think that she is the symbol of the revitalization of McCain's campaign. He was lagging and republicans weren't too excited about him. Then he picks her, grabs the "change" rub right out from Obama's feet (and keeps it), and gets republicans excited for the FIRST time. The GOP wanted to be excited by McCain never gave them a chance until now. So they have a lot of pent up energy.

Those are my hypotheses anyway.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
September 22 2008 08:45 GMT
#1002
If its on that regard I connect with Obama, he smoked pot as well when young.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Choros
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia530 Posts
September 22 2008 09:12 GMT
#1003
McCain WAS a maverick, until those behind the Republican campaign had their way with him. I have no doubt they basically told him you will do as we say or you will not be the candidate. He is doing exactly this, when asked about his tax cuts he effectively said that he supports the Bush tax cuts because he has too. It is clear he knows these amount to incompetent policies. Perhaps even more dire is his complicit support of torture, you would think of all people he would be aggressively against this, yet he has voted in its support. (As did Obama i believe)
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 22 2008 12:07 GMT
#1004
he is only a maverick within the peculiar american political scene, perhaps. he is no maverick ideologically. no grand plans, just populist concerns.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 22 2008 12:08 GMT
#1005
On September 22 2008 16:16 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2008 14:43 fight_or_flight wrote:
Palin draws a crowd of 60,000 in Florida.

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

Seriously....can someone explain this to me?


She has a very compelling story that people connect with. All her family "problems" that the media touted I think just made people realize that she has the same issues they do and she still comes out on top, achieving great things.

I also think that she is the symbol of the revitalization of McCain's campaign. He was lagging and republicans weren't too excited about him. Then he picks her, grabs the "change" rub right out from Obama's feet (and keeps it), and gets republicans excited for the FIRST time. The GOP wanted to be excited by McCain never gave them a chance until now. So they have a lot of pent up energy.

Those are my hypotheses anyway.

yes, a manufactured image designed to "connect" with people, much like the CIA uses pink fonts and kawaii emoticons to connect with pedos. nice going
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
September 22 2008 12:34 GMT
#1006


ROFL

I wonder how it must feel to get nuked whenever you leave your bubble mr McCain
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
September 22 2008 23:33 GMT
#1007
here's a nice lil' piece of liberal propaganda

[image loading]


you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 00:30:43
September 23 2008 00:16 GMT
#1008
lol

Could anyone please point me to some sites with good commentary about the election? Switzerland's newspaper coverage on it is rubbish.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 23 2008 00:37 GMT
#1009
The best site I have found is the same one that was referenced in the OP:

www.realclearpolitics.com

Its a conglomeration of the best editorials from all newpapers (even some foreign ones). Its unbiased with plenty of articles for and against both candidates.

It is also the premier tracker of poll results and also tracks intrade.com

--Savio
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 00:48:02
September 23 2008 00:43 GMT
#1010
On September 23 2008 08:33 a-game wrote:
here's a nice lil' piece of liberal propaganda

[image loading]




I smell some class warfare.

Lets rally the proletariat and take down the capitalists!

*plays Soviet national anthem*


But, joking aside:

"Campaigning for president has been very good for Sen. Barack Obama’s pocketbook, with his household income jumping from $991,296 in 2006 to $4.2 million in 2007, tax records show."

--http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/17/nation/na-taxes17

Not as wealthy as McCain, but hardly hurting for money.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
September 23 2008 00:56 GMT
#1011
Mc daddy is getting trashed at the polls recently. His campaign spent an absurd amount slowly erroding Obama's lead, but the recent polls indicate all have gains have eviscerated. The way things look now, it doesn't even appear Obama will need Ohio to win.
Live to win.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 23 2008 01:55 GMT
#1012
On September 23 2008 09:43 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2008 08:33 a-game wrote:
here's a nice lil' piece of liberal propaganda

[image loading]




I smell some class warfare.

Lets rally the proletariat and take down the capitalists!

*plays Soviet national anthem*


But, joking aside:

"Campaigning for president has been very good for Sen. Barack Obama’s pocketbook, with his household income jumping from $991,296 in 2006 to $4.2 million in 2007, tax records show."

--http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/17/nation/na-taxes17

Not as wealthy as McCain, but hardly hurting for money.

for those who understand class problems to be real and serious, your comment comes off as a joke
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
VegeTerran
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 02:35:05
September 23 2008 02:34 GMT
#1013
On September 23 2008 10:55 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2008 09:43 Savio wrote:
On September 23 2008 08:33 a-game wrote:
here's a nice lil' piece of liberal propaganda

[image loading]




I smell some class warfare.

Lets rally the proletariat and take down the capitalists!

*plays Soviet national anthem*


But, joking aside:

"Campaigning for president has been very good for Sen. Barack Obama’s pocketbook, with his household income jumping from $991,296 in 2006 to $4.2 million in 2007, tax records show."

--http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/17/nation/na-taxes17

Not as wealthy as McCain, but hardly hurting for money.

for those who understand class problems to be real and serious, your comment comes off as a joke

A very bad joke! But then again the whole political system is just a bad joke.
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
September 23 2008 05:08 GMT
#1014
On September 23 2008 10:55 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2008 09:43 Savio wrote:
On September 23 2008 08:33 a-game wrote:
here's a nice lil' piece of liberal propaganda

[image loading]




I smell some class warfare.

Lets rally the proletariat and take down the capitalists!

*plays Soviet national anthem*


But, joking aside:

"Campaigning for president has been very good for Sen. Barack Obama’s pocketbook, with his household income jumping from $991,296 in 2006 to $4.2 million in 2007, tax records show."

--http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/17/nation/na-taxes17

Not as wealthy as McCain, but hardly hurting for money.

for those who understand class problems to be real and serious, your comment comes off as a joke

the conduct of serious business on tl is indeed serious very
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 06:55:35
September 23 2008 06:25 GMT
#1015
the most recent episode of the daily show bashing sarah palin is sooo hilarious.

Well worth watching http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=185182

edit: he interviews tony blair as well, who just is afraid to say "we needed the damn oil and a base in mid east"
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 23 2008 12:49 GMT
#1016
Stewart gets tossed around in the interview and Blair wouldn't say that because despite popular sentiment, it's just not a war for oil.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
September 23 2008 13:16 GMT
#1017
Yes but why Tony didnt just say it was part of a larger plan to supress extremism ? That there were just a multitude of factors that made invading iraq inevitable, and that they never expected to have an easy time, or to acomplish something fast.

Invading iraq was like starting a RTS campaign, and they dont want you to think it, because no one likes a war, and if they dont play it better, its only going to continue
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
September 23 2008 13:20 GMT
#1018
On September 21 2008 13:37 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2008 11:11 D10 wrote:
Savio, Obama has demonstrated better judgement concerning all the issues that are relevant, better judgement on campaign management, better clarity of mind overall, if his history shows him being cockblocked on his proposals, it never showed that he wasnt trying to push important things foward, id rather have a president that doesnt fear doing the right thing but has no washington history to prove it, that one that has been stuck with the wrong one.

In the end, what matters is who has the better judgement, not who has the most executive experience, or what ever you want to call it.

And all these labels people put on him, only show the obvious, people believe in his change, and those that dont agree with it, are scared the shit out.



He hasn't demonstrated anything because he hasn't ever done anything.

BTW, he was dead wrong on the surge. McCain receives most of the credit for pushing the surge and getting G.W. to stop bungling the war. It is because of McCain (obviously others as well--Gen Petraeus for one--but as far as politicians, mostly McCain and Lieberman) that the US is winning the war now. Iraq is at the lowest levels of violence EVER. There has never been a month since the start of the war as good as these last ones. Obama said, "The surge will fail". That is not judgement. The surge was unpopular at the time, so it was a safe thing to say, but now most Americans trust McCain to handle the war.

Also, it seems strange to take someone who:

1. Never brought change to Illinios as a state senator.
2. Never brought change to the senate as a US senator.

And then all of a sudden say, "But things are different now. Now he will stand up and accomplish the hardest task in the world: changing Washington." There is nothing in his past or resume to suggest that he can change anything. The only thing he has are words. Promises of "future change".

Words are cheap. A record as a reformer, independent, and maverick (all of which Obama would like to be) is hard to come by.



hhahhahahahhaah

*takes breath*

hahahahahhaaaha

people still belive that we're winning this war, and that it can even be won? holy shit
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 23 2008 13:57 GMT
#1019
On September 23 2008 21:49 Jibba wrote:
Stewart gets tossed around in the interview and Blair wouldn't say that because despite popular sentiment, it's just not not just a war for oil.


fixed that for you.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
September 23 2008 14:19 GMT
#1020
On September 22 2008 16:16 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2008 14:43 fight_or_flight wrote:
Palin draws a crowd of 60,000 in Florida.

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

Seriously....can someone explain this to me?


She has a very compelling story that people connect with. All her family "problems" that the media touted I think just made people realize that she has the same issues they do and she still comes out on top, achieving great things.

I also think that she is the symbol of the revitalization of McCain's campaign. He was lagging and republicans weren't too excited about him. Then he picks her, grabs the "change" rub right out from Obama's feet (and keeps it), and gets republicans excited for the FIRST time. The GOP wanted to be excited by McCain never gave them a chance until now. So they have a lot of pent up energy.

Those are my hypotheses anyway.

If you have any feelings that Palin is a good VP pick, you need a serious reality check. There's a reason the McCain campaign is not letting her do interviews. I'll let you figure out what that is.

Anyone who goes from communication major (which took her 6 years), to beauty queen, to sports caster, to major of a town of 8000, to governor for 2 years does not have the experience or the qualifications to be president. This woman wanted to teach creationism in public schools, she denies all the science of global warming and has only recently flip flopped on her views after being selected as VP pick by Mc'cain after a 15 minute interview. Yes John McCain knew this woman for 15 minutes and selected her as his VP pick.

The Republican party went down to a diversity flea market and picked out the cheapest item they could find that they thought would appeal to the most voters. She is purely a pick designed to appeal to young women and angry hillary voters. There is no other reason for picking her.

If you like McCain Savio, that's one thing. But if you really think Palin is a good VP pick, you need to wake up.
Live to win.
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