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On September 21 2008 05:40 Servolisk wrote:Context plz? I personally don't know much about lettuce picking, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those difficult crops, which most Americans would prefer unemployment over working with.
Hey, dont talk like you know what every human being would do.
The next step is trying to control them, and well, McCain is on that path.
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Once again, I know nothing specific here, but Americans have demonstrated a strong aversion to those type of jobs. I'm not saying that most Americans do not have difficult jobs (though they might, but that's a tangent), just that this particular type of hard job is especially disliked.
I also don't see how McCain is on the path to controlling them (more so than normal for a President).
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Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^
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We life in a pretty fucked up world when people can acctually even consider to vote for McCain over Obama.
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On September 21 2008 07:19 ErlinG wrote:
We life in a pretty fucked up world when people can acctually even consider to vote for McCain over Obama.
Well, most people never learned to think for themselves, or to see beyond the standards that have been presented to them.
I bet most average people just get scared the fuck out of this economic crisis because they dont understand shit, and will vote for whoever gives them most confidence, and since most people in this group are scared copy cats they will vote for the guy who doesnt look like is going to change squat, because that is less scary.
In all honesty, if McCain campaign werent appealing to the most ignorant/easily scared, pools would show Obama way higher, because he actually has a case do present
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I think you're using stereotypes and making way too many massive assumptions than any person who has "learned to think for themselves" should make.
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On September 21 2008 07:13 Servolisk wrote:Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^ Fox News : right wing conservatives :: MSNBC : bleeding heart liberals
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On September 21 2008 07:50 Jibba wrote:
I think you're using stereotypes and making way too many massive assumptions than any person who has "learned to think for themselves" should make.
Tell me Jibba, why people vote for McCain?
a) Attacks on obama, trying to make people scared of him
b) Attacks on obama, trying to make him look unfit to lead
c) His awesome pow background
d) His inexistant proposals
e) Being dumb enough to believe in ABCD and whatever else you wanna put.
thinking for yourself is more than just being able to make critical thinking, its being able to get the picture right, most of the time, and theres enought exposure of both candidates for anyone whos willing to think, to see that McCain cant even stop contradicting himself, hes desperate, you will see it get uglier and uglier because the only tactic he has left is to try to drag Obama to his durty hole until people stop seeing how they got there in the first place.
edit: Ok maybe im a bleeding heart liberal, just cant really believe someone would vote for McCain unless they dont know what they are doing, or are gonna get profit from it
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On September 21 2008 07:53 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2008 07:13 Servolisk wrote:Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^ Fox News : right wing conservatives :: MSNBC : bleeding heart liberals
Comfortable, but incorrect, conclusion : 7
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The Obama and McCain campaigns have agreed to an unusual free-flowing format for the three televised presidential debates, which begin on Friday, but the McCain camp fought for and won a much more structured approach for the questioning at the vice-presidential debate, advisers to both campaigns said Saturday.
At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.
McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.
It's almost as if the media, and now debates are being held hostage to suit the inexperience of Palin.
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On September 21 2008 08:05 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2008 07:53 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2008 07:13 Servolisk wrote:Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^ Fox News : right wing conservatives :: MSNBC : bleeding heart liberals Comfortable, but incorrect, conclusion : 7
How so? MSNBC tosses in Scarborough like Fox uses Colmes, and the rest of their coverage is hardcore biased pandering. Matthews is as close to the middle as you can get watching MSNBC, the rest is obnoxiously leftist.
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On September 21 2008 08:01 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2008 07:50 Jibba wrote:
I think you're using stereotypes and making way too many massive assumptions than any person who has "learned to think for themselves" should make. Tell me Jibba, why people vote for McCain? a) Attacks on obama, trying to make people scared of him b) Attacks on obama, trying to make him look unfit to lead c) His awesome pow background d) His inexistant proposals e) Being dumb enough to believe in ABCD and whatever else you wanna put. thinking for yourself is more than just being able to make critical thinking, its being able to get the picture right, most of the time, and theres enought exposure of both candidates for anyone whos willing to think, to see that McCain cant even stop contradicting himself, hes desperate, you will see it get uglier and uglier because the only tactic he has left is to try to drag Obama to his durty hole until people stop seeing how they got there in the first place. edit: Ok maybe im a bleeding heart liberal, just cant really believe someone would vote for McCain unless they dont know what they are doing, or are gonna get profit from it McCain's campaign has deteriorated under the advice of Rove, but a lot of people remember his campaign in 2000 and on domestic policy, he is one of the more centrist thinkers in the Republican party. You make the assumption that people are just smart and dumb, instead of most people being rational thinkers with different priorities and values. A lot of people still fall prey to groupthink and illogic, but having worked on the Obama campaign, I can tell you that both sides are filled to the brim with those types of people.
I guess my point is that I think through logic and reason, Obama is the better candidate for most people, but to assume people on the right are less intelligent, as if being on the left means the opposite, is absurd.
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On September 21 2008 08:17 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2008 08:05 Servolisk wrote:On September 21 2008 07:53 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2008 07:13 Servolisk wrote:Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^ Fox News : right wing conservatives :: MSNBC : bleeding heart liberals Comfortable, but incorrect, conclusion : 7 How so? MSNBC tosses in Scarborough like Fox uses Colmes, and the rest of their coverage is hardcore biased pandering. Matthews is as close to the middle as you can get watching MSNBC, the rest is obnoxiously leftist.
Funny, your left wing is the right wing in my country.
edit: I agree with you Jibba, and its was a unfair conclusion on my part ... I get too emotional when posting about politics because ours suck ass.
Well, at least im sure Obama is going to win, McCain is starting to show hes too old for the job, cant stop reading the teleprompter, contradicts himself all the time, bad temper, surrounded himself with poor judgement people (witch leads to his poor judgement, after all a leaders greatest skill is to delegate power, and he just seems to suck ass at that, look at palin lol)
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On September 21 2008 08:17 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2008 08:05 Servolisk wrote:On September 21 2008 07:53 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2008 07:13 Servolisk wrote:Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^ Fox News : right wing conservatives :: MSNBC : bleeding heart liberals Comfortable, but incorrect, conclusion : 7 How so? MSNBC tosses in Scarborough like Fox uses Colmes, and the rest of their coverage is hardcore biased pandering. Matthews is as close to the middle as you can get watching MSNBC, the rest is obnoxiously leftist.
Scarborough and Colmes aren't comparable. One is a former Congressman, and the other is a punching bag. And Pat Buchanan is on MSNBC alllll the time.
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Leftists by American standards, yeah. Biased, not that I've seen. In fact, you have to be biased to not be leftists in America. If you use a little logic you are closer to the Democrats than the Republicans. MSNBC actually holds back quite a lot of potential criticism of the Republicans (in part because there is too much to cover in daily news casts, with only one channel).
And there is no comparison with their levels of integrity.
Analysis and lines of questioning taken by Olbermann or Matthews can be rationally defended. In general I've found them to ask important questions and make suggestions that are reasonable based on reality.
EZ version: If Olbermann calls Bush and his policies a tragedy, he is not biased, as long as he offers reasonable support for doing so.
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On September 21 2008 08:28 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2008 08:17 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2008 08:05 Servolisk wrote:On September 21 2008 07:53 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2008 07:13 Servolisk wrote:Excellent video. Haven't seen the show at all before, cool person ^-^ Fox News : right wing conservatives :: MSNBC : bleeding heart liberals Comfortable, but incorrect, conclusion : 7 How so? MSNBC tosses in Scarborough like Fox uses Colmes, and the rest of their coverage is hardcore biased pandering. Matthews is as close to the middle as you can get watching MSNBC, the rest is obnoxiously leftist. Scarborough and Colmes aren't comparable. One is a former Congressman, and the other is a punching bag. And Pat Buchanan is on MSNBC alllll the time.
I would have gone along the lines of who is Scarborough's Hannity, that keeps him in line, but you phrased it a lot better than I could
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Look at the clip you quoted earlier. They're cutting and splicing those things as much as the Daily Show does. I have no idea how you can watch Olbermann and possibly think the man is unbiased in his criticisms. You're basically saying "they're not biased because their (my) side is right", which is exactly the same kind of shit that Fox News breeds off of.
The New York Times has even cited MSNBC's liberal bias, and a lengthy article on MSNBC's own website about journalist campaign donations seems to confirm it.
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On September 21 2008 08:45 Jibba wrote:
Look at the clip you quoted earlier. They're cutting and splicing those things as much as the Daily Show does. I have no idea how you can watch Olbermann and possibly think the man is unbiased in his criticisms. You're basically saying "they're not biased because their (my) side is right", which is exactly the same kind of shit that Fox News breeds off of.
The New York Times has even cited MSNBC's liberal bias, and a lengthy article on MSNBC's own website about journalist campaign donations seems to confirm it.
I already saw it, but without going to watch the entire originals of everything they showed, I won't see how it is biased. Perhaps you could explain which part(s) were misrepresentations (or which was the most biased if there were many), so I could save time by looking into that item alone. Or give me a stronger example from elsewhere on MSN.
Hm... not sure where in my post I "basically" said they're not biased because they are close to my opinion. It was more like I said that being unbiased has nothing to do with being in the middle of whatever currently is liberal/conservative in America, it has to do with making sound judgements. Hypothetically, if the former were the case, and if one of the "wings" of American politics grew into some absurd, Naziesque entity, then for the news media to remain in the middle, they would have to sacrifice logic. Actually, that is not a hypothetical example.
Fortunately, I don't read the NYT, nor have I read the article you mention. Just saying that a newspaper with a reputation for leftish called MSNBC biased does not make it a fact.
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This is an interesting year for sure. In my opinion, what we have is:
1. Democrats have a strong party position, but a weak candidate.
2. GOP has a weak party position, but a strong candidate.
What will prevail will be very interesting. Does party affiliation matter more or does the individual person?
This is why I believe what I stated. According to the new polls:
1. While they (voters) are more likely to vote Democrat for Congress, they rate Obama as more of a talker than a doer by 20 points and rate McCain the opposite by 15 and, by nine points, they think the Republican ticket has the better judgment than the Democratic nominees.
2. They think the Democrats will do better on healthcare by 19 points, but by 20 points they think McCain is more qualified than Obama to be president.
3. By seven points, they identify as Democrats more than Republicans. But by 16 points, they say that if they faced the “toughest decision of your life” they would go to McCain rather than Obama for advice.
Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_emerging_obama_deficit.html
A lot of people wonder why Obama isn't blowing McCain out of the water. After all, the people are mad at Republicains (I'm an ardent Republican and even I am mad at my party). I'll just say that its a good thing that the GOP nominated McCain and the Dems nominated Obama. Otherwise, I think everyone would already know the outcome.
If any other GOP candidate had been nominated, they would be far behind in my opinion. And the dems picked the least qualified (in terms of experience, achievements, etc.) candidate in the last 50 years as their nominee. Thats a bad idea during wartime or when bad things are happening.
--Savio
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