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_Zephyre_
Profile Joined October 2024
France9 Posts
August 24 2025 14:25 GMT
#1
Just noticed he did not even enter the qualifiers, does anyone know why?
Too busy with variety streaming?

I'll miss him this season
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
532 Posts
August 24 2025 18:14 GMT
#2
instead you get larva
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1691 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-24 22:09:24
August 24 2025 22:09 GMT
#3
if you saw how discouraged he looked in the RO16/8 in ASL 19, you should have seen this from a mile away

with how popular he is with streaming his motivation just isnt there

i miss the old rain he is literally the only person who can beat Soulkey. I guarantee SK will win this season as well
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SiarX
Profile Joined December 2021
104 Posts
August 24 2025 22:32 GMT
#4
On August 25 2025 07:09 ShowTheLights wrote:
if you saw how discouraged he looked in the RO16/8 in ASL 19, you should have seen this from a mile away

with how popular he is with streaming his motivation just isnt there

i miss the old rain he is literally the only person who can beat Soulkey. I guarantee SK will win this season as well



What about Flash? Or he will not be back in ASL?
vTv.Marine
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada150 Posts
August 25 2025 02:57 GMT
#5
I'll gladly take Larva instead of Rain. I feel like this guy will cause some upset.
Hows it going guys, long time no see
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-25 03:52:51
August 25 2025 03:51 GMT
#6
On August 25 2025 07:32 SiarX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2025 07:09 ShowTheLights wrote:
if you saw how discouraged he looked in the RO16/8 in ASL 19, you should have seen this from a mile away

with how popular he is with streaming his motivation just isnt there

i miss the old rain he is literally the only person who can beat Soulkey. I guarantee SK will win this season as well



What about Flash? Or he will not be back in ASL?

Flash has said it comes down to wanting to be able to 100% adhere to his prep routine, which is impacted by his wrists. If he gets to the point where here decides it's never going to happen, he's going to suck it up for one last tournament and be done. He's also said that if the break between ASL19 and 20 were a normal duration, that he would have tried to get into ASL20. Iirc, ASL19 was delayed, so the gap between them was smaller than normal.

Short of health setbacks, ASL 21 is a real possibility for him coming back.

Thread with info beyond what I remember off the top of my head: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/640437-flash-announces-and-retracts-hiatus-from-asl
Stopthevirtualaddict
Profile Joined November 2024
32 Posts
August 26 2025 21:09 GMT
#7
Rains eyes are killing him anyone who games a lot knows what iam talking about. There is a point where the is just no point in competitive or any form of going. Eyes just pain to much and and you wonder why the hell iam doing this again???
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2043 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-27 10:19:23
August 27 2025 04:25 GMT
#8
Whatever happened to Last?
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8268 Posts
August 27 2025 05:22 GMT
#9
On August 27 2025 13:25 Simplistik wrote:
Whoever happened to Last?

playing only troll games on youtube!

he has found great success there !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8268 Posts
August 27 2025 05:25 GMT
#10
look:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOTJtP0Z9DjpPU43B5m1V6A
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8268 Posts
August 27 2025 05:27 GMT
#11
929 k subscribers and over 1.5 billion views in total !

the most successful youtube channel of any pro ever in terms of views and subscribers!

Second place is Larva - with his family channel

Third place is Infinshin - a fastest map player!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Postaljester_
Profile Joined April 2023
32 Posts
August 27 2025 05:52 GMT
#12
He probably looked at the map pool and realized things aren’t looking good for BWs weakest faction.

I have no idea why pros choose to play Protoss, god bless them fighting the good fight. Aiur is cooked.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2043 Posts
August 27 2025 10:20 GMT
#13
Interesting. I guess someone who won two premier tournaments might be more interested in making money than proving themselves.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
vTv.Marine
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada150 Posts
August 28 2025 08:34 GMT
#14
On August 27 2025 13:25 Simplistik wrote:
Whatever happened to Last?


Still stream but mostly play random. Doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore.
Hows it going guys, long time no see
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands944 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-28 10:50:46
August 28 2025 10:50 GMT
#15
On August 28 2025 17:34 vTv.Marine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2025 13:25 Simplistik wrote:
Whatever happened to Last?


Still stream but mostly play random. Doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore.

Last decided to play meme builds back in 2019 and is making bank doing it. Streams few times a week. grabs two single games from stream to upload as slightly edited meme games on youtube every day. get 150k-500k views per video. This alone is more money than playing and winning proleagues is. viewers also donate to decide on which meme build he has to do.
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2812 Posts
August 28 2025 11:20 GMT
#16
On August 28 2025 19:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2025 17:34 vTv.Marine wrote:
On August 27 2025 13:25 Simplistik wrote:
Whatever happened to Last?


Still stream but mostly play random. Doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore.

Last decided to play meme builds back in 2019 and is making bank doing it. Streams few times a week. grabs two single games from stream to upload as slightly edited meme games on youtube every day. get 150k-500k views per video. This alone is more money than playing and winning proleagues is. viewers also donate to decide on which meme build he has to do.

Korean viewing culture is weird af. Watching progamers shitting on low level players (probably A-B rank) repeatedly for many years yet they don't find it tiresome.

At least if you can consistently do it on the ladder against 2500 mmr players, it'd be interesting because it shows your elite level. When opponent levels are low enough, it's not that difficult. You just have to build up a sufficient lead at the early game, then you're free to do whatever you want. I can do that to E rank players for example.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8268 Posts
August 28 2025 13:31 GMT
#17
On August 28 2025 20:20 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2025 19:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On August 28 2025 17:34 vTv.Marine wrote:
On August 27 2025 13:25 Simplistik wrote:
Whatever happened to Last?


Still stream but mostly play random. Doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore.

Last decided to play meme builds back in 2019 and is making bank doing it. Streams few times a week. grabs two single games from stream to upload as slightly edited meme games on youtube every day. get 150k-500k views per video. This alone is more money than playing and winning proleagues is. viewers also donate to decide on which meme build he has to do.

Korean viewing culture is weird af. Watching progamers shitting on low level players (probably A-B rank) repeatedly for many years yet they don't find it tiresome.

At least if you can consistently do it on the ladder against 2500 mmr players, it'd be interesting because it shows your elite level. When opponent levels are low enough, it's not that difficult. You just have to build up a sufficient lead at the early game, then you're free to do whatever you want. I can do that to E rank players for example.


i agree with this!

He is too good for A / B players even if he is past his prime.

It's like Magnus Carlsen played chess with mere mortals .. even if he gives away a pawn or two , or some moves , he will still win.
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Stopthevirtualaddict
Profile Joined November 2024
32 Posts
August 28 2025 18:19 GMT
#18
On August 28 2025 20:20 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2025 19:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On August 28 2025 17:34 vTv.Marine wrote:
On August 27 2025 13:25 Simplistik wrote:
Whatever happened to Last?


Still stream but mostly play random. Doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore.

Last decided to play meme builds back in 2019 and is making bank doing it. Streams few times a week. grabs two single games from stream to upload as slightly edited meme games on youtube every day. get 150k-500k views per video. This alone is more money than playing and winning proleagues is. viewers also donate to decide on which meme build he has to do.

Korean viewing culture is weird af. Watching progamers shitting on low level players (probably A-B rank) repeatedly for many years yet they don't find it tiresome.

At least if you can consistently do it on the ladder against 2500 mmr players, it'd be interesting because it shows your elite level. When opponent levels are low enough, it's not that difficult. You just have to build up a sufficient lead at the early game, then you're free to do whatever you want. I can do that to E rank players for example.

It is called community interaction. There many funny ideas you can make. But i think it is not the same, surely their some games vs B and A players, but it is against Koreans with good internet and also against many S players, even pros.
I have seen destroy him Rush and soma, offracing with weird wraith and muta builds. In zvt and tvz.


Further the basic fundamentals the higher you go are harder to beat, the better the player is.
You can be last or Flash, but to beat someone with lets say a mass scv + medic attack with no other units other than some marines to defend in one bunker is basicly impossible for last or flash vs playing vs a Korean S player or korean A player, than you doing the same to E player…
It just isnt the same, it just isnt.
Further Last actually cant play tournamenta anymore because of his health.
Why shouldnt he use his gifts to entertain the people, his fans. And destroy the weird over serious auras that people put on their elitist perception.
And grow the game for more casual people.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7902 Posts
August 29 2025 09:53 GMT
#19
On August 27 2025 14:52 Postaljester_ wrote:
He probably looked at the map pool and realized things aren’t looking good for BWs weakest faction.

I have no idea why pros choose to play Protoss, god bless them fighting the good fight. Aiur is cooked.

Prolly why there were 3 toss in Ro8, 2 in Ro4 and one in the final last ASL.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Postaljester_
Profile Joined April 2023
32 Posts
September 02 2025 02:05 GMT
#20
On August 29 2025 18:53 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2025 14:52 Postaljester_ wrote:
He probably looked at the map pool and realized things aren’t looking good for BWs weakest faction.

I have no idea why pros choose to play Protoss, god bless them fighting the good fight. Aiur is cooked.

Prolly why there were 3 toss in Ro8, 2 in Ro4 and one in the final last ASL.



Well that was a different map pool my friend.

This map pool is really bad for toss. In DPL, KCM & ASL toss is getting hosed. No map with over 50% for toss in either match up. Some maps in the 30s for both pvz and pvt.

Good chance we get 0 toss in top 8 of asl this year.
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