EPTwo should invite more Europe player and US player. never give channce to korean anymore.audience want to watch a true game.not a arranged game.
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Guoqing_8da
China8 Posts
wo should invite more Europe player and US player. never give channce to korean anymore.audience want to watch a true game.not a arranged game. | ||
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TeRRan`UseR
Canada692 Posts
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Fobbish
Korea (South)1071 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:41 A.G)Andy wrote: once again looking back the World Cup 2002 Korea vs Spain Korea vs Italy that was a Joke from the behavior of past year WCG performance ,im not suprised why they did that or for what why do you fucking bringing 2002 world cup into this matter? do you have something against korean people in general? to me, you are trying to give bad reputation of general korean ppl. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:42 A.G)Andy wrote: there'are some ppl seeing it out of china from the PPlive get back to this thread you will find it If you want any credibility in getting people to believe you, then go and download it and upload it to yousendit.com or something like that. Then one of the non-koreans will convert the .flv and upload to youtube, and koreans will actually believe you. Also I just searched this entire thread for PPLive and it only appears twice in this thread, never with a link to view it or anything. Seriously, stop saying how many people have seen it, and do the steps so that people can actually see it now. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:31 tehsex wrote: andy i think u should calm down. i doubt this affects ur life this much. I think you should stop being a dick. Moreover, this kind of community reaction is necessary to discourage other players from doing the same thing in the future. This is why we e.g. imprison criminals even when they didn't affect the judge or jury members personally. It's the civilised world's way of looking out for one another. | ||
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XellOs_PlutO
Korea (South)166 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:41 A.G)Andy wrote: once again looking back the World Cup 2002 Korea vs Spain Korea vs Italy that was a Joke from the behavior of past year WCG performance ,im not suprised why they did that or for what Worldcup 2002 is irrelevant to this topic. Stop mocking the country as a whole. | ||
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keinjuan
Canada17 Posts
who just got to know about this topic. Be reasonable. And if you wanted to be a racist regarding sport performances, I do not think chinese have anything to say for sure. | ||
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A.G)Andy
China127 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:45 FoBBish wrote: why do you fucking bringing 2002 world cup into this matter? do you have something against korean people in general? to me, you are trying to give bad reputation of general korean ppl. im sorry but for the ppl here they most asking why they do like this ? why they just finish with 3:0 and quickly go home since they will split the money for sure im still cant understand why they need to do this to make it like some big event ? with the interview afterwads from Hwasin that was a big joke | ||
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LetsStopTheShitting
Korea (South)1 Post
I'm a Korean starcraft fan. This morning, from a Korean starcraft fansite 'Sgael', I came across a post concerning this game-fixing rumors. Although the heat of the controversy seems to be very high in foreign communities, Korean communities (fifo, fomos, pgr21 and sgael) generally share the opinion that the screenshot was manipulated not the game. Personally, I share same opinion as the Koreans and there are few evidences for my argument. 1. There is no proof that the screenshot was actually taken from the game I am sure that you guys know how easy it is just to go onto UDP, make a room and take a screenshot just like that with your friend. I am expressing my opinion assuming that the screenshot was manipulated. Ofcourse, it could've been actually taken from the game. 2. The link of the game vod never loads Yes, if the vod can be viewed, all the arguments can end. But the vod never loads and it seems that its not just my internet that doesn't load vod for games 4 and 5. If it was for over-traffic, there must have been SOMEONE who has watched it. I've had a quick read through all the posts and I never came across a post which says that they have watched the video. Correct me if I am wrong. Without the vod, It seems very meaningless accusing the STX team when the validity of the screenshot cannot even be verified. 3. Reason for manipulating? Is there ANY reason for STX players to manipulate the game? One user pointed out that the players share the prizemoney. So, whats the point who comes first when it comes to money? Also, it is sad to say, but for Koreans IEST is not very important. It is just a small minor event that opens overseas. Other than prizemoney, IEST wouldn't bring them any honour as IEST is not recognised highly. Bearing that in your mind, just think about how much Hwasin will benefit from winning the competition. In my opinion, there are not much to gain. 4. Looking at vod for games 1-3, the Korean players typed their "gg" in Korean character Yes, that means that Korean language patch was installed on the match PC. Now, if they were really willing to manipulate the game, why not use the comfortable native character? What they used was a Korean language that was expressed in English as a sound. Being a Korean, the quotes "Dae choon 2 sunken no ring" sounds somewhat unnatural and 'seriously' grammatically wrong. (Maybe just like my English  ... )5. Why manipulate the game dangerously during the game? They had all day to manipulate the game SAFELY before the game. These are just opinions from Korean communities and I summed them up and put some of my own opinions in. I maybe biased towards Koreans but please recognise that I tried to be as fair as possible. In my opinion, before any proving, accusing players seem very meaningless. The STX players, among with other Korean progamers are young talented people who have to live in a small dorm and train like a machine. It is admiration for their effort that they need not the accusation concerning matters. They are 'pros', and I think we have to respect them for their job. Even if it turns out that the game was actually manipulated, it is probably the decision of the team front office, so as a starcraft fan just like you guys, I beg you not to accuse the players  Thanks | ||
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A.G)Andy
China127 Posts
but i have asked my friend to do it | ||
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Guoqing_8da
China8 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:45 FoBBish wrote: why do you fucking bringing 2002 world cup into this matter? do you have something against korean people in general? to me, you are trying to give bad reputation of general korean ppl. he mean you korean is a self-abasement race but want to break away it with a abjection and deceived way. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:51 A.G)Andy wrote: i have no time to download it and upload it to the othersite but i have asked my friend to do it If you have no time, then why are you still posting on TLnet? Stop making up excuses and upload it already. | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:52 Guoqing_8da wrote: he mean you korean is a self-abasement race but want to break away it with a abjection and deceived way.  I have no idea what you are trying to say, sorry.On October 22 2007 14:51 LetsStopTheShitting wrote: + Show Spoiler [LetsStopTheShittings post] + Hi guys, I'm a Korean starcraft fan. This morning, from a Korean starcraft fansite 'Sgael', I came across a post concerning this game-fixing rumors. Although the heat of the controversy seems to be very high in foreign communities, Korean communities (fifo, fomos, pgr21 and sgael) generally share the opinion that the screenshot was manipulated not the game. Personally, I share same opinion as the Koreans and there are few evidences for my argument. 1. There is no proof that the screenshot was actually taken from the game I am sure that you guys know how easy it is just to go onto UDP, make a room and take a screenshot just like that with your friend. I am expressing my opinion assuming that the screenshot was manipulated. Ofcourse, it could've been actually taken from the game. 2. The link of the game vod never loads Yes, if the vod can be viewed, all the arguments can end. But the vod never loads and it seems that its not just my internet that doesn't load vod for games 4 and 5. If it was for over-traffic, there must have been SOMEONE who has watched it. I've had a quick read through all the posts and I never came across a post which says that they have watched the video. Correct me if I am wrong. Without the vod, It seems very meaningless accusing the STX team when the validity of the screenshot cannot even be verified. 3. Reason for manipulating? Is there ANY reason for STX players to manipulate the game? One user pointed out that the players share the prizemoney. So, whats the point who comes first when it comes to money? Also, it is sad to say, but for Koreans IEST is not very important. It is just a small minor event that opens overseas. Other than prizemoney, IEST wouldn't bring them any honour as IEST is not recognised highly. Bearing that in your mind, just think about how much Hwasin will benefit from winning the competition. In my opinion, there are not much to gain. 4. Looking at vod for games 1-3, the Korean players typed their "gg" in Korean character Yes, that means that Korean language patch was installed on the match PC. Now, if they were really willing to manipulate the game, why not use the comfortable native character? What they used was a Korean language that was expressed in English as a sound. Being a Korean, the quotes "Dae choon 2 sunken no ring" sounds somewhat unnatural and 'seriously' grammatically wrong. (Maybe just like my English ... )5. Why manipulate the game dangerously during the game? They had all day to manipulate the game SAFELY before the game. These are just opinions from Korean communities and I summed them up and put some of my own opinions in. I maybe biased towards Koreans but please recognise that I tried to be as fair as possible. In my opinion, before any proving, accusing players seem very meaningless. The STX players, among with other Korean progamers are young talented people who have to live in a small dorm and train like a machine. It is admiration for their effort that they need not the accusation concerning matters. They are 'pros', and I think we have to respect them for their job. Even if it turns out that the game was actually manipulated, it is probably the decision of the team front office, so as a starcraft fan just like you guys, I beg you not to accuse the players Thanks This is a really good post, and your english is very good too . Similar to your question about why the koreans would manipulate the game, I also don't see why the chinese would manipulate a screenshot. They would seem to have even less motive for this, since even if this is found to be true, it's not going to change anything about IEST itself, nor does it (for example) help a chinese player advance. On October 22 2007 14:51 A.G)Andy wrote: i have no time to download it and upload it to the othersite but i have asked my friend to do it How have you made so many posts in this topic after saying you have no time? -.- | ||
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daladala
China8 Posts
Hm...It's so sad it happened, because we are not strong enough to defend these Koreans players, and I still believe most Korean player are not like them. Here are the links: 1. http://www.flyupload.com/get?fid=2195034 http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/iest/movie_22574.html (before the Game 5 you can clear see Hwasin was typing and replay the message from Clam ) 2. http://www.flyupload.com/get?fid=5733937 http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/iest/movie_22573.html (Before the Game 4, Hawsin was scroll up then you will see the dialog but only seconds ) | ||
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A.G)Andy
China127 Posts
http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=77118&extra=page=1 (i have no time to translate it ) His ID is Toodming He was Broadcasting PGL Season 2 ,i think a lot of ppl here was watching him from Pplive | ||
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Fobbish
Korea (South)1071 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:52 Guoqing_8da wrote: he mean you korean is a self-abasement race but want to break away it with a abjection and deceived way. LOL? | ||
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Guoqing_8da
China8 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:53 Bill307 wrote: If you have no time, then why are you still posting on TLnet? Stop making up excuses and upload it already. china have made so many efforts to sc,inviting so many sc player so many times all over the word to join the game . do you have ever seen koeran invited sc player to play?they are so boturated and conceit. but this is the first time wo are so angry for the action of the korean people.because they did too egregiously. cant belive however? | ||
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daladala
China8 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:59 A.G)Andy wrote: For those ppl who may doubt it FYI, a lot of us don't doubt it, but we still want to see it for ourselves. Moreover, many Koreans don't believe it either, and honestly we can't blame them. Let's hope this source actually works... | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On October 22 2007 14:58 daladala wrote: Boys, the *.flv flies are coming now. I go there, but nothing happens. Upload to yousendit.com or senduit.com :/ Edit: I'm inclined to believe Andy, but that doesn't mean I'll take his word without seeing the proof sooner or later. | ||
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