EPTWorried what will happen if Biden gets the nomination, honestly. I generally like him, but the dementia is exceedingly troublesome. He's clearly not the candidate he was in the Obama era. The existence of the large pool of candidates was more than anything a testament to the weakness of the DNC's chosen candidate (i.e. Biden), so their "sudden" rally behind him might not be quite as powerful as they would hope.
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Worried what will happen if Biden gets the nomination, honestly. I generally like him, but the dementia is exceedingly troublesome. He's clearly not the candidate he was in the Obama era. The existence of the large pool of candidates was more than anything a testament to the weakness of the DNC's chosen candidate (i.e. Biden), so their "sudden" rally behind him might not be quite as powerful as they would hope. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On March 03 2020 22:49 LegalLord wrote: Agreed. Bernie's October heart attack is also cause for concern.Today, I suppose we get to see if the DNC is successful at pushing Biden down everyone's throat. SC was their opening and they used it, so now we see if it worked. Worried what will happen if Biden gets the nomination, honestly. I generally like him, but the dementia is exceedingly troublesome. He's clearly not the candidate he was in the Obama era. The existence of the large pool of candidates was more than anything a testament to the weakness of the DNC's chosen candidate (i.e. Biden), so their "sudden" rally behind him might not be quite as powerful as they would hope. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
Chance of Sanders to become the candidate seems to be very low despite what the bookmakers are saying. a surprise 0,5% rate cut on super tuesday. "Stocks surge after the Fed cuts rates by half a point, a surprise move to combat coronavirus" mind is blown. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Reminder: Warren is 70. All of these concessions she is making (after being a big progressive ally of Bernie's for so long) for what? Imagine being 70 and being willing to betray values you previously espoused. It's just sad. To me, this shows that she has 1 goal and she knows this is her last shot. So she may as well cash out all the good will she's built for this one last push for power. Shameful. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Its the difference between a game thats been focus tested to complete mediocrity and a game that knows what it wants to be and does it passionately. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On March 03 2020 23:18 Mohdoo wrote: Warren going in on Bernie the night before super Tuesday. Warren apologists, please tell me why she would attack Bernie right now. Reminder: Warren is 70. All of these concessions she is making (after being a big progressive ally of Bernie's for so long) for what? Imagine being 70 and being willing to betray values you previously espoused. It's just sad. To me, this shows that she has 1 goal and she knows this is her last shot. So she may as well cash out all the good will she's built for this one last push for power. Shameful. What do you mean last shot? 78 appears to be the perfect age to try and be president, she should just go again in 2028. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:00 Laurens wrote: What do you mean last shot? 78 appears to be the perfect age to try and be president, she should just go again in 2028. Absolutely no chance anyone gives even a 74 year old woman a fair shot | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:05 Mohdoo wrote: Absolutely no chance anyone gives even a 74 year old woman a fair shot I don't see why not. It isn't stopping the men by any means. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:13 NewSunshine wrote: I don't see why not. It isn't stopping the men by any means. That's why I said woman. Women are judged more harshly than men in terms of frailty. You know this, so it's weird you're making me recite it. Is it that you think the injustice of how women's frailty is judged in any way impacts Warren's lack of moral fortitude? She didn't compromise her values because she's a woman. Plenty of women have excellent moral character. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9300 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12465 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:16 Mohdoo wrote: That's why I said woman. Women are judged more harshly than men in terms of frailty. You know this, so it's weird you're making me recite it. Is it that you think the injustice of how women's frailty is judged in any way impacts Warren's lack of moral fortitude? She didn't compromise her values because she's a woman. Plenty of women have excellent moral character. So are we judging her for her gender and age, or for her moral character? Because this just sounds like the same electability argument that nauseates most of us. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23984 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:20 Nebuchad wrote: I mean, it's probably true that once Biden loses to Trump Warren will be in the best place to be the dem nominee in 2024. It's a pretty abhorrent calculation but I guess it makes some amount of sense if you couldn't care less about anything or anyone else but yourself. Losing to Ivanka would be a fitting end to her career | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:21 NewSunshine wrote: So are we judging her for her gender and age, or for her moral character? Because this just sounds like the same electability argument that nauseates most of us. 2 things. 1. Warren is a sham. She has made repeated moral concessions in pursuit of power. Despite having significantly worse chances than Buttigieg, she's still blasting Sanders and participating in super Tuesday. She accepts super pac money, which makes her laughably untrustworthy to tackle money in politics. She is an opportunist and is morally deficient. 2. Widespread sexism will cause people to dismiss Warren as physically unfit for office in 2024. She is clearly doing great right now. I think that's why she is spiraling out of control with regards to compromising everything for power. She sees this as her last shot, so it's making her desperate. May I ask why you think Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropped, but Warren didn't? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23984 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:53 NewSunshine wrote: Simple, she still has a substantial base and genuine support. Pete and Amy really don't. It does not follow that she must necessarily be conspiring against Bernie. Biden looks to be laying claim to that distinction at the moment. Support for what? Her policy proposals are doa without Bernie winning the nomination | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:53 NewSunshine wrote: Simple, she still has a substantial base and genuine support. Pete and Amy really don't. It does not follow that she must necessarily be conspiring against Bernie. Biden looks to be laying claim to that distinction at the moment. We should just resume this discussion after today's results | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 04 2020 00:59 Mohdoo wrote: We should just resume this discussion after today's results I don't know that I care to. I've attempted numerous times to unpack why you're dead set on going after Warren, and I've yet to hear anything that convinces me when there's been an entire field of candidates that have done what she has, and worse, and who have consistently edged her out in whatever war they're waging on Bernie. However this turns out, I'm fairly certain I'll know what your reaction will be, and above that I know I'm not changing your mind anytime soon. I'm ok leaving this here if you are. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10888 Posts
On March 04 2020 01:06 NewSunshine wrote: I don't know that I care to. I've attempted numerous times to unpack why you're dead set on going after Warren, and I've yet to hear anything that convinces me when there's been an entire field of candidates that have done what she has, and worse, and who have consistently edged her out in whatever war they're waging on Bernie. However this turns out, I'm fairly certain I'll know what your reaction will be, and above that I know I'm not changing your mind anytime soon. I'm ok leaving this here if you are. She was mean to Bernie! She is still by far the second best candidate and in every other field would be the clear favorite of "the left" by miles and miles. But this is american politics, you gotta hate everyone that isn't your guy or your not playing it right. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23984 Posts
On March 04 2020 01:06 NewSunshine wrote: I don't know that I care to. I've attempted numerous times to unpack why you're dead set on going after Warren, and I've yet to hear anything that convinces me when there's been an entire field of candidates that have done what she has, and worse, and who have consistently edged her out in whatever war they're waging on Bernie. However this turns out, I'm fairly certain I'll know what your reaction will be, and above that I know I'm not changing your mind anytime soon. I'm ok leaving this here if you are. Warren is the only one running on ostensibly wanting to pursue similar policy to Bernie but is actively sabotaging any chance of that happening by continuing a irrefutably losing campaign. | ||
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