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brian
United States9617 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 11 2019 14:25 xDaunt wrote: Nah. Trump is going to have his cake and eat it, too. Do you have an actual argument for why the Democrats are going to cave, or are you just making this a mantra in the hope you'll turn out to be right and can proclaim you were right all along? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 11 2019 23:55 iamthedave wrote: Do you have an actual argument for why the Democrats are going to cave, or are you just making this a mantra in the hope you'll turn out to be right and can proclaim you were right all along? That partly depends on what we mean by "cave"? Considering Democrats want to spend billions on border security including building barriers, how much can they give Trump before it's caving and not just conservative Democrats using Trump as a human shield for policy blowback? We have to remember our conservatives consider Trump getting out of his own way masterful negotiations so short of complete capitulation by Trump (kinda out of the picture with him holding the longest shutdown to force the issue) Republicans will consider this a win by Trump. EDIT: AOC is really growing on me despite her more moderate politics. Instead of the deference and bullshit groveling she's just dropping clapbacks and she's on to the next one. What I like about her is she shows just how terribad Democrats are. It's so easy to take Republicans to task if you're not defending the liebermans (former), manchins (soon to be former), and clintons of the party. She's crushing social media (outpacing Trump even) and Democrats will explain it with anything but the policy she's advocating. EDIT2: For those unclear why the 13th amendment doesn't apply to federal workers, it's because they can stop working and leave without being captured and returned to their owners by the police. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 11 2019 23:55 iamthedave wrote: Do you have an actual argument for why the Democrats are going to cave, or are you just making this a mantra in the hope you'll turn out to be right and can proclaim you were right all along? They may or may not cave (probably not). If they don't, Trump will just get it by executive order. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:03 xDaunt wrote: National Review has the best take that I've seen on AOC: she's the progressive Sarah Palin. That is actually an incredibly awful take. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:06 GreenHorizons wrote: That is actually an incredibly awful take. You may be right. The article is probably a little unfair to Palin. AOC puts her foot in her mouth far more often and has the economic literacy of a cheeseburger. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
A San Diego television station on Thursday said that CNN had asked for a "local view" and then "declined to hear from us" after past reports from the station showed that a border wall was effective. A CNN spokesperson pushed back on KUSI's claim on Friday, calling it a "non story" since the network ultimately didn't book any reporters from stations in the San Diego area. "We called several local stations to book someone for a show. We didn’t end up booking any of them," says a CNN spokesperson in a statement to The Hill. "That happens many times every single day. We did, however, book a reporter from KUSI for a story on immigration and the border wall on CNN in November. This is a non story." Immigration, the partial government shutdown and President Trump's proposed border wall have all been topics dominating the cable news landscape since the shutdown began three weeks ago. "Thursday morning, CNN called the KUSI Newsroom asking if one of our reporters could give them a local view of the debate surrounding the border wall and government shutdown," a report by KUSI, an independent station in San Diego that began airing in 1982, begins. "KUSI offered our own Dan Plante, who has reported dozens of times on the border, including one story from 2016 that was retweeted by former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, and posted on DrudgeReport.com," it continues while linking to a border fence tour report. "We believe CNN declined a report from KUSI because we informed them that most Border Patrol Agents we have spoken to told us the barrier does in fact work," it concludes. "We have continuously been told by Border Patrol Agents that the barrier along the Southern border helps prevent illegal entries, drugs, and weapons from entering the United States, and the numbers prove it." Source. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:08 xDaunt wrote: You may be right. The article is probably a little unfair to Palin. AOC puts her foot in her mouth far more often and has the economic literacy of a cheeseburger. AOC corrects her mistakes, learns, but most importantly she advocates for policy that helps people who need it. Palin didn't really do any of that. I'd say it's revealing of what Republicans really thought of Palin when they weren't pretending she was qualified to be VP. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:10 xDaunt wrote: Yet more proof of why #fakenews has been so devastating against the liberal media: Source. You say this like Fox News wouldn't do the same thing? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:14 GreenHorizons wrote: AOC corrects her mistakes, learns, but most importantly she advocates for policy that helps people who need it. Palin didn't really do any of that. I'd say it's revealing of what Republicans really thought of Palin when they weren't pretending she was qualified to be VP. For the record, I don't care so much about a politician's ignorance so much as I care about their principles. No one can be an expert in everything, and every leader must learn to gather and process information from advisers. What really matters is how the leader applies the information that is provided. More often than not, principle (or the lack thereof) determines how that is done, thus determining what the resulting policy will be. In AOC's case, I find her ignorance amusing, but I also believe that it is a sideshow. What really matters are the principles underlying her policies. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote: You say this like Fox News wouldn't do the same thing? Fox News does stupid shit, too. I watched their reporting on something in the past month (I believe it was the Flynn sentencing) and was yelling at the TV over the inaccuracies and misrepresentations that were being made. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:21 xDaunt wrote: Fox News does stupid shit, too. I watched their reporting on something in the past month (I believe it was the Flynn sentencing) and was yelling at the TV over the inaccuracies and misrepresentations that were being made. That's nice, but you say fakenews is working because of liberal outlets but the most popular news broadcasts consumed by many of the same people voicing the charge is full of it and it didn't draw that criticism nor are you crediting them for the veracity/supporting examples of the prevalence of fakenews. The Fakenews charge has been devastating because our news media are simply a mouthpiece for various billionaires/allied factions and both Democrats and Republicans do the same thing you do with Trump and balance the bullshit against the service of their interests and manage to never find a way to access accountability. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Is trump the Sarah Palin of the tea party? | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 12 2019 02:53 Doodsmack wrote: Toss these words up in a salad and you may just get something that's truthful and coherent. Your odds arent great though. More likely you'll need some "serious but not literal" interpretation. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083554782923632640 What, is he attempting to say something like : "Out of the 300 americans killed every week, 90% are killed by illegal immigrants mostly coming across the southern border" ? What a load of bullshit ! If it's even 5%, that would already be a lot. And if it's something like "300 americans emigrate because they are not happy about the people coming from the southern border", it's even more bullshit, as there's no survey about that :-D On a sidenote, Giuliani... what has he smoked today...? https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller He is saying the Trump team should be able to review and correct Mueller's report before it is published. Yeah, sure, let the party being investigated correct prosecutors before all trials, it will probably work perfectly well. Arguing executive privilege is something, might be stretching it according to one's views, but the "defendant" plainly "correcting" the prosecutors' report ? Ahah ! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 12 2019 02:53 Doodsmack wrote: Toss these words up in a salad and you may just get something that's truthful and coherent. Your odds arent great though. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083554782923632640 I suspect this is why xDaunt quickly clarified being woefully ignorant shouldn't disqualify someone from being considered a worthy politician and what matters are their principles (though I'm not sure that's any more stable ground for Trump). On January 12 2019 03:01 Nouar wrote: What, is he attempting to say something like : "Out of the 300 americans killed every week, 90% are killed by illegal immigrants mostly coming across the southern border" ? What a load of bullshit ! If it's even 5%, that would already be a lot. Think he botched the heroin stat (plus perpetuating the lie about a wall stopping most of it that xDaunt and I covered recently) and is only semi-literate so he didn't notice. Alternatively he could be intentionally misleading people to think they are murdered by immigrants or that too many US citizens wander back into the country across the southern border. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:08 xDaunt wrote: You may be right. The article is probably a little unfair to Palin. AOC puts her foot in her mouth far more often and has the economic literacy of a cheeseburger. yeah it is an awful take. it only makes sense if by “economic literacy” you mean actually holding all the relevant liberal economic assumptions, rather than just knowing about them. i dont think AOC is a moron (although i hated her 60 minutes “morally right” answer) but shes obviously not an economic expert, although i think its a stretch to suggest that shes even in the bottom 50% of congressional economic literacy | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 12 2019 01:03 xDaunt wrote: They may or may not cave (probably not). If they don't, Trump will just get it by executive order. By declaring an unjustified state of emergency to appropriate the funds? I assume that's the case? Or can Presidents just sign executive orders to override the Senate/House whenever they want and previous Presidents haven't done so? And in either case, I presume you'll be all on board when the next Democratic President decides to override congress to appropriate funds for [INSERT DEMOCRATIC POLICY YOU HATE HERE]? I must say, Daunt, this whole wall business has been very revealing concerning how little supposed Conservatives care for the rule of law and for Presidents ruling through Executive Order. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 12 2019 05:15 iamthedave wrote: By declaring an unjustified state of emergency to appropriate the funds? I assume that's the case? Or can Presidents just sign executive orders to override the Senate/House whenever they want and previous Presidents haven't done so? And in either case, I presume you'll be all on board when the next Democratic President decides to override congress to appropriate funds for [INSERT DEMOCRATIC POLICY YOU HATE HERE]? I must say, Daunt, this whole wall business has been very revealing concerning how little supposed Conservatives care for the rule of law and for Presidents ruling through Executive Order. Learn the law and the principles, and you'll figure out that we aren't compromising on anything. | ||
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