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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Duka08
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RIP tank damage  | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On September 16 2016 02:20 Duka08 wrote: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/766151-class-balance-update/ RIP tank damage Tank damage is only competitive in massive aoe pulls anyways, at least bear tanks. DPS do >2x my damage single target. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On September 16 2016 02:20 Duka08 wrote: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/766151-class-balance-update/ RIP tank damage omg not my strike of the windlord AE. it is so OP though i have to admit, especially when you pop SEF for a hard pack and you energizing elixir -> strike of the wind lord -> fists of fury. if a few other dps/tank are doing solid AE damage then mythic packs just melt during one stun | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 16 2016 02:35 Ethelis wrote: What's the best place nowadays for DK guides/discussions and stuff? Icy Veins for pretty much ever class, I've found. There don't seem to be any forums that are particularly great for high-end class discussion like the glory days of EJ. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Duka08
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On September 16 2016 02:27 dae wrote: Tank damage is only competitive in massive aoe pulls anyways, at least bear tanks. DPS do >2x my damage single target. Yeah that seems to be the case for most tank classes. Not sure it's extreme enough to consider a problem though? At best I tend to compete with my top DPSers on 3-5 mob trash pulls. Bosses are back to normal. Guess tanks doing too much damage on trash is bad that's the fun part though...Worried about it making soloing/leveling tank specs considerably slower too. I enjoyed leveling my DH as Vengeance, it was a good balance of survivability but still enough damage to feel like you weren't holding yourself back. Wanted to do some other classes that way too in the future. Guess we'll just have to see what changes they have in mind. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
On September 16 2016 02:38 Requizen wrote: Icy Veins for pretty much ever class, I've found. There don't seem to be any forums that are particularly great for high-end class discussion like the glory days of EJ. On September 16 2016 02:38 Redox wrote: For my class mmo champion class forums are pretty good. Thanks | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Also, as a WW Monk, that announced SotW makes me sad, but its understandable. We're just so few compared to DHs | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Tank damage is only competitive in massive aoe pulls anyways, at least bear tanks. My prot paladin friend bursts to pretty huge amounts (in the 400k range) single target and actually beats my DH on boss fights sometimes, especially when i'm not running chaos blades which is the last choice for lvl 110 talents in dungeons. I can 100% see what they're saying there about some tank damage being competitive with DPS at times, particularly when those tanks can swap out survival talents/trinks to hit hard. If they can do SO MUCH damage then it's worth doing earlier than it otherwise would be because there is a significant survivability penalty when you do that. If this nerf didn't happen then you'd see people stacking specific tank classes with DPS talents and trinkets to beat enrage timers or make fights faster and easier. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
On September 16 2016 01:13 Duka08 wrote: Damn, people still post meters in dungeons? Thought that would die off by now. Guess I've been lucky with my groups so far lol. Meters in dungeons should just be a personal challenge. Posting them to be cocky is such a laugh as it is, but posting them on the new class that has an insane aoe toolkit with almost no extra work or change in spec/rotation is another level lmao. Not going to lie, DOING that damage as DH is fun, but cmon, who are you kidding Out of the 200 heroics I have done--only once did someone post meters in party chat. Which is extremely good compared to back then pre-wotlk. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
On September 16 2016 02:27 dae wrote: Tank damage is only competitive in massive aoe pulls anyways, at least bear tanks. DPS do >2x my damage single target. I think it's normal for me to pull top damage during trash, around 450k. Then only pull around 180k for single target boss fights. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
If it was such a problem couldn't they just make it 5% or put it on the legion enchants too? Do we have to figure out these changes mid-dungeon or can we actually get some warning in the future, at least a patch note? | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
Little disappointed they did not mention it at all though. And tank damage was expected eventually. Many tanks do good burst damage and they shouldn't be overtaking dps in a decent amount of fights. While most tanks I run with dont beat me in dps (except mass aoe stuff), I have had them do 60-70% of my damage on fights. Thats pretty considerable comparing someone who has a focus on protecting your team. I think if they only did 50-60% of my damage that would be more in line. I am not sure how dps will grow compared to tanks since if we gain dps faster than tanks then eventually tanks might only do like 30% of our damage and it would be negligible addition to a fight. Unless that is what Blizzard wants. | ||
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NonY
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21647 Posts
Same with healers but that is a lot easier since the Healer cant just spam his dps abilities non stop, he has to heal the group most of the time. Unlike tanks who only need a few gcd's for their mitigation and spend the rest of the time basically doing dmg. | ||
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NonY
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21647 Posts
On September 16 2016 05:25 NonY wrote: I don't even know, does WoW have threat values for each ability just like there are damage values? It seems like they should crank up threat generation for AE abilities while keeping their damage low, which will simplify tuning of single target damage, which they can tune to whatever they want (50% of a DPS?) 1 point of damage is 1 point of threat. heals have a 0.5 multiplier but apply to all mobs in combat. Tanks have a flat bonus % to threat. Its pretty enormous now but used to be much lower back in the day. Some abilities used to have extra threat build in aswell (like Sunder armor back in the day). Donno if this is still a thing. | ||
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