EPTImagine if your kid tried to get into the house from sneaking out and you "accidentally" shot him in the face.
nice going dad!
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Sadist
United States7322 Posts
Imagine if your kid tried to get into the house from sneaking out and you "accidentally" shot him in the face. nice going dad! | ||
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NewbSaibot
3849 Posts
On September 25 2006 19:53 Sadist wrote: thats funny, i used a similar scenerio for a coworker once, someone who also said "hell yea if someone breaks into my house im shootin first askin questions later!".that guy who talked about a burgler. Imagine if your kid tried to get into the house from sneaking out and you "accidentally" shot him in the face. nice going dad! I just said "what if your son came home from college vacation early, to surprise you, and made a little too much noise sneaking in the house?" I cant even remember what he said, if anything. | ||
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ToT)Testie(
Canada723 Posts
No guns = less crime. You cannot back this up with valid statistics without vast cultural differences. Why? Any fool can be powerful with a gun in their hands. They have the power to take life with the simple click of a trigger. Guns give courage to the person who owns it. Robbing someone with a knife is messy and dangerous, and you have to have some confidence to do that. Robbing with a gun is much different. If the only people who had guns was the authorities, i.e. military / police, most people would benefit from it. And i'm rather positive there would be less crime. You take enough of those odd-ball cases where random guy who's life sucks goes on a killing spree at the office or school, and it adds up crime wise. Especially in european and north american countries where the people have higher education. So long as they live in a more enlightened country. Sadly, this is too hard to stop now. The manufacturers of arms are now too large to put an end to without a massive public protest. One argument is that people will get guns much like they do drugs, if they outlaw guns. I don't buy that as easily. Guns would be harder to smuggle, especially internationally. They could crack down on them much more forcefully if the public demanded it. | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On September 25 2006 18:33 Sharkey wrote: [removed quote within quote] Yeah, I was 'just' reporting the facts. But I agree with you that facts can only say so much, if you don't interrept them, they become useless and not applicable to real life situations. But if you do interpret them, their is a probability that they will be biased. I am glad that you corrected my assumption, that is all it was, about the violent crime rate in Alaska. Do you have any stats about violent crime rate in Alaska and how it pertains to certian ethnic groups. Is their a correlation between them and violent crimes, or is it between poor people (who often happen to be miniorities) and violent crimes. If you could provide facts about your statements it would deliver much more validity to your assumptions. But overal thanks for correcting me, I really appreciate it. I really didn't mean for my post to come off as an attack upon you. All I'm really saying--and all that you're really saying, I see--is that careful examination of facts is necessary in order to draw any sort of conclusion. We can't just look at a fact and say, "Oh, ok, so I guess gun control doesn't work." We have to examine societies and cultures and history and this and that and that thing over there plus that one hiding behind the sofa before we can say anything meaningful, and even then we're prone to be somehow off-base. ^^ | ||
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gg2w
Canada118 Posts
It seems like hasuprotoss is dividing the US into the evil criminal and the innocent civilian as if this is the only time a legally owned gun would be deliberately used. Just because you would show thoughtful restraint (and I admit both you and RobOwns have genuinely considered the extent and ramifications of your own personal use), does not imply that the rest of the armed civilian population would act the same way and take the same precautions. The reality is that the spectrum of law-abiding citizens is a lot broader than that and there would be quite a few who I don't think should own a gun. Here are a few contrived scenarios which I don't think are all that far from reality. - A racist (and I've met a few who believed that all blacks are worthless criminals) could easily shoot someone cutting through their property for having the wrong skin color. - Road rage. The most common weapon used in road rage altercations are firearms. Just the fact that some people manage to escalate such a situation to the point where a gun gets drawn shows that they really shouldn't be allowed to own one in the first place. - Overprotective father. Some conservative values dad who caught his daughter banging the milkman might overreact. While working for a farmer a few years back, he used to laugh about how his dad chased some kid off the property with a shotgun who was trying to see his sister. - Domestic dispute. Couple get into a fight, emotions running high. Perhaps one suspects infidelity. Or feels emotionally abused. Decides to do something stupid. And just as a sidenote, I am always amazed at the number of thwarted murders-for-hire (I believe there was one in the news recently) and how seemingly normal the perpetrators are. It just goes to show that what seems like perfectly law-abiding citizens are sometimes unstable enough to commit vicious crimes. I don't raise these scenarios to claim gun control or gun bans are the answer. Of course there are times when a gun does save an innocent life. I just wanted to show that the "good" side is often a lot fuzzier than gun advocates are willing to admit. The simple reason is that we don't all deal with our perceptions and emotions equally. It's reasonable to believe you should have the right to carry a gun to protect yourself and your family. What you then need to do is ask yourself how you feel about the drunken fratboy who picks fights with guys by trying to hook up with their girls thereby getting himself kicked out of bars early and him owning a gun. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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inkblot
United States1250 Posts
I personally enjoy using guns recreationally. And why shouldn't I? Because I might go berserk and shoot people? I also might fall asleep at the wheel and cause a massive accident. That's alot more likely. Responsibility is the issue with guns as much as cars. If gun owners are responsible, their kids won't be able to shoot their friends. Also, if kids were slightly educated about guns they wouldn't be shooting eachother by accident anyway. I also like the idea that if someone were out to kill me, I could shoot them rather than (hopefully) fighting them off with a kitchen knife or baseball bat. I certainly wouldn't shoot just anyone breaking into my house, just letting them know you're armed would send them running 99% of the time as they would likely just be thieves not murderers. None the less, if guns are used by criminals they should be used against them. Guns do give power to the people. Look at the Iraq situation. A characteristic of totalitarian regimes is to take away all gun ownership. | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
I guess I kinda repressed the trauma of it(It was at a park about 15 blocks from where I lived, so I walked home with blood pouring down my neck and back). Afterwards all he was saying was "Dont tell my parents. Dad is gonna whup me with an extension cord" and crying. He didnt even walk all the way to my house with me. The high pressure of any situation with a firearm just doesnt seem like something any human being can handle, because it is the ability to take life with the click of a trigger. And any amount of media grooming can tell you that you are a callous tough guy, and can handle it, but faced with the task.. I dont know, my random thought on this subject. : ] Edit: And Inkblot, I have known some shitty/scary drivers. And I would trust any of them more with a car than with a gun. Cars arent explicitly used for harm. Sure guns may have recreational purposes, but I question the need of someone to kill animals or discharge ammunition at targets just as much. It is a rush, but when you have the gun in your hands dont you think about what it would be like to turn it on someone near you? I have shot a few rifles and pistols before and the thought crossed my then 16 year old mind. | ||
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Harrison Bergeron
United States11 Posts
- a woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet. - When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run. - An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you. - Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection. - Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy. - A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves. I know it was already posted but all it didn't get much attention. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sur_reaL
Canada278 Posts
I thought we're "not allowed" to have these kinds of discussions anymore as it turns to raging flame wars in the end. | ||
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Aruno
New Zealand748 Posts
I am glad I live in New Zealand where being shot by a gun only happens because of dumb Hunters mistaking people for Deer or other wild life. Omg this was bumped from 2006 0_0....heck.. | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On February 08 2011 12:14 Harrison Bergeron wrote: Yeah, I totally support gun control because... - a woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet. - When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run. - An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you. - Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection. - Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy. - A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves. I know it was already posted but all it didn't get much attention. Did you not see the: Warning: The last post in this thread is over two months old. If you bump this, you better have a good reason. ? Or did you think you had "a good reason"? I honestly don't see how bumps like this happen. I'm not trying to make a condescending "I don't know how you could be so stupid" either. I just for real wonder what chain of events precedes someone posting a straightforward reply to a conversation that ended five years ago. | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
They should create a law that forces a mandatory 10 year minimum sentence for anyone caught breaking the law while in possession of a gun (of course not counting traffic misdemeanors). Once you are found guilty of a crime and you are at any time found in possession of fire arms, mandatory 10 year minimum sentence. Guns are for law abiding citizens. If you want to own a gun, obey the law. Problem, criminals? | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
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Moody
United States750 Posts
If you control a gun the way it's supposed to be controlled it can be used for a couple important things: 1.) 2.) | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On September 25 2006 16:40 Lemonwalrus wrote: It would be mighty dificult to go on a killing spree with a trojan. Tell that to the greeks. Just noticing the date on this post, necro much? | ||
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lastmotion
368 Posts
so i would advocate for just handgun allowance. if your kid plays with your gun and hurts himself, its ur fault for not placing a gun where he can't get it | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45269 Posts
How about making sure that any random person can't just buy a gun without a background check, obtaining a permit, etc.? Being careful about who purchases weapons would be nice. Oh, by the way, here's another reason why gun control might be nice: | ||
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Fallen33
United States596 Posts
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