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On February 23 2014 03:12 BeaTeR wrote:
A guy from Lugansk(East Ukraine) just posted there are 3 buses with people from Lviv(West Ukraine) that came in his town. They are trying to capture administration buildings and crushing everything left n right. Military students came to defend the building and found themselfs under gun fire.
Did he provide any photos and videos? Because this sounds a bit too similar to the classical governmental propaganda that was and in some places still is so widespread in Ukraine.
Also, if he is right and some people indeed came and started smashing everything. There is a hight chance that those people are the so-called titushki. What you described sounds rather close to what they were doing in Kiev lately.
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On February 23 2014 04:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Riots are deciding what to do with Lenin Statue on the main square of Kharkov, choosing from headcutting and destroying the statue totally. 15000 of idiots deciding how 1,5 would live, what a madness!
You know, beheading a statue of a bloodthirsty tyrant may be a better way to make a statement, rather than utterly destroying it.
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On February 23 2014 04:32 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Riots are deciding what to do with Lenin Statue on the main square of Kharkov, choosing from headcutting and destroying the statue totally. 15000 of idiots deciding how 1,5 would live, what a madness! You know, beheading a statue of a bloodthirsty tyrant may be a better way to make a statement, rather than utterly destroying it.
I think they should worry about cleaning up the city a bit, so it doesn't look like a scene from Mad Max anymore
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On February 23 2014 04:32 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Riots are deciding what to do with Lenin Statue on the main square of Kharkov, choosing from headcutting and destroying the statue totally. 15000 of idiots deciding how 1,5 would live, what a madness! You know, beheading a statue of a bloodthirsty tyrant may be a better way to make a statement, rather than utterly destroying it.
Oh come on, is it Lenin who forced all this shit for last 3 months in our country? This statue is a part of history of our city, and shitting on ur own history doesn't make anything with Yanukovich or his corruption!
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On February 23 2014 04:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:32 Roman666 wrote:On February 23 2014 04:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Riots are deciding what to do with Lenin Statue on the main square of Kharkov, choosing from headcutting and destroying the statue totally. 15000 of idiots deciding how 1,5 would live, what a madness! You know, beheading a statue of a bloodthirsty tyrant may be a better way to make a statement, rather than utterly destroying it. Oh come on, is it Lenin who forced all this shit for last 3 months in our country? This statue is a part of history of our city, and shitting on ur own history doesn't make anything with Yanukovich or his corruption!
Do you not understand how symbols work? Can you really not imagine what the towering facade of Lenin represents in the minds of those who lived under USSR rule only to have their government toyed with by Russian interests? Are you sure you're Ukrainian?
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On February 23 2014 04:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:32 Roman666 wrote:On February 23 2014 04:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Riots are deciding what to do with Lenin Statue on the main square of Kharkov, choosing from headcutting and destroying the statue totally. 15000 of idiots deciding how 1,5 would live, what a madness! You know, beheading a statue of a bloodthirsty tyrant may be a better way to make a statement, rather than utterly destroying it. Oh come on, is it Lenin who forced all this shit for last 3 months in our country? This statue is a part of history of our city, and shitting on ur own history doesn't make anything with Yanukovich or his corruption!
You do not erect a statue of someone for purely historical reasons, but rather to glorify him. Leave history for the books. And how you could glorify a mass murderer and a tyrant, in a now free country which suffered so much from him and his underlings, is beyond my understanding. For all I know, it should have been crushed in 90's.
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On February 23 2014 01:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, concerning the emotional and historical associations the words "Hitler" and "Nazi", shouldn't be used as analogies here. Then again, people like Zeo and Yanukovych have been using those exact same words for their analogies, but none of us need to swoop to their level.
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On February 23 2014 04:27 MyrMindservant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 03:12 BeaTeR wrote:
A guy from Lugansk(East Ukraine) just posted there are 3 buses with people from Lviv(West Ukraine) that came in his town. They are trying to capture administration buildings and crushing everything left n right. Military students came to defend the building and found themselfs under gun fire. Did he provide any photos and videos? Because this sounds a bit too similar to the classical governmental propaganda that was and in some places still is so widespread in Ukraine. Also, if he is right and some people indeed came and started smashing everything. There is a hight chance that those people are the so-called titushki. What you described sounds rather close to what they were doing in Kiev lately.
well, he said they were speaking pure ukrainian and some broken russian. Here is a video if you have vk.com account.
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On February 23 2014 04:46 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 23 2014 04:32 Roman666 wrote:On February 23 2014 04:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Riots are deciding what to do with Lenin Statue on the main square of Kharkov, choosing from headcutting and destroying the statue totally. 15000 of idiots deciding how 1,5 would live, what a madness! You know, beheading a statue of a bloodthirsty tyrant may be a better way to make a statement, rather than utterly destroying it. Oh come on, is it Lenin who forced all this shit for last 3 months in our country? This statue is a part of history of our city, and shitting on ur own history doesn't make anything with Yanukovich or his corruption! Do you not understand how symbols work? Can you really not imagine what the towering facade of Lenin represents in the minds of those who lived under USSR rule only to have their government toyed with by Russian interests? Are you sure you're Ukrainian?
No i'm russian, but paid by Putin administration to force u guys on this forum.
And do u understand that minority cannot decide anything? And they are decind what to do with a statue that I was able too see all my entire life, that has a long history. Vandalism - that's how it calls, and that's what they are planning to do!
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On February 23 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 01:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, concerning the emotional and historical associations the words "Hitler" and "Nazi", shouldn't be used as analogies here. Then again, people like Zeo and Yanukovych have been using those exact same words for their analogies, but none of us need to swoop to their level. + Show Spoiler +Hitler the savior!
Holy shit, on a fucking Kiev city council building. God damn idiots are delegitimizing themselves, I seriously hope police trashes them to pieces.
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this is not everyday that you can witness a live revolution
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On February 23 2014 04:55 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:On February 23 2014 01:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, concerning the emotional and historical associations the words "Hitler" and "Nazi", shouldn't be used as analogies here. Then again, people like Zeo and Yanukovych have been using those exact same words for their analogies, but none of us need to swoop to their level. + Show Spoiler +Hitler the savior! Holy shit, on a fucking Kiev city council building. God damn idiots are delegitimizing themselves, I seriously hope police trashes them to pieces.
Dude, are you fine? This is a photoshop. I thought that it was obvious and didn't respond but apparently I was wrong.
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Democracy and votes are like no real solution to some political crisis. Forcing a policy on a minority that ,say, absolutely hates the idea simply cannot pass with the 'but people voted and you lost!' argument. I guess if Ukraine, or any other country for that matter, has such a core conflict between political views and direction it simply has to split so each side can govern itself as it sees fit. Majority vote just sucks when people are so polarized.
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On February 23 2014 05:04 MyrMindservant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:55 Roman666 wrote:On February 23 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:On February 23 2014 01:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, concerning the emotional and historical associations the words "Hitler" and "Nazi", shouldn't be used as analogies here. Then again, people like Zeo and Yanukovych have been using those exact same words for their analogies, but none of us need to swoop to their level. + Show Spoiler +Hitler the savior! Holy shit, on a fucking Kiev city council building. God damn idiots are delegitimizing themselves, I seriously hope police trashes them to pieces. Dude, are you fine? This is a photoshop. I thought that it was obvious and didn't respond but apparently I was wrong.
That thought crossed my mind, though I am not an expert on photography forgery. Looked pretty real for me, if it is really a photoshop then my bad.
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On February 23 2014 05:05 disciple wrote:
Democracy and votes are like no real solution to some political crisis. Forcing a policy on a minority that ,say, absolutely hates the idea simply cannot pass with the 'but people voted and you lost!' argument. I guess if Ukraine, or any other country for that matter, has such a core conflict between political views and direction it simply has to split so each side can govern itself as it sees fit. Majority vote just sucks when people are so polarized.
Yeah, that is the vision I am getting more and more inclined to. The split could be a permanent solution here.
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On February 23 2014 05:04 MyrMindservant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:55 Roman666 wrote:On February 23 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:On February 23 2014 01:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, concerning the emotional and historical associations the words "Hitler" and "Nazi", shouldn't be used as analogies here. Then again, people like Zeo and Yanukovych have been using those exact same words for their analogies, but none of us need to swoop to their level. + Show Spoiler +Hitler the savior! Holy shit, on a fucking Kiev city council building. God damn idiots are delegitimizing themselves, I seriously hope police trashes them to pieces. Dude, are you fine? This is a photoshop. I thought that it was obvious and didn't respond but apparently I was wrong.
edit: oh, it was the wrong fascist, here is the real pic. Sorry guys, will dig around more next time.
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On February 23 2014 05:05 disciple wrote:
Democracy and votes are like no real solution to some political crisis. Forcing a policy on a minority that ,say, absolutely hates the idea simply cannot pass with the 'but people voted and you lost!' argument. I guess if Ukraine, or any other country for that matter, has such a core conflict between political views and direction it simply has to split so each side can govern itself as it sees fit. Majority vote just sucks when people are so polarized.
How about we actually see how the votes go before we start partitioning Ukraine.
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You guys are overestimating the split and underestimating the power of propaganda. Without a major part under Putin's control, the people have way more in common. Also, there is no talk of the Parliament overstepping its authority by the relevant FMs.
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On February 23 2014 00:34 mahrgell wrote:
so the parliament decides to ignore all the results of the negotiations 2 days ago led by the EU foreign ministers?
That is surely a good base for trust in future relations, if there is a power change now
Since Yanukovich's party and their allies have the majority of elected seats in parliament it would seem that his own party decided to turn against him. Since the 2004 constitution that he demanded as the price of allowing the democratically elected president come to power at that time transferred most presidential powers to parliament this isnt surprising. (If you are wondering how he could be such an authoritarian wannabe, when he was elected President in 2010 he pressured the constitutional courts to annul the 2004 constitution and revert the Ukrainian presidency to a 'strong' state).
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On February 23 2014 05:22 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 05:05 disciple wrote:
Democracy and votes are like no real solution to some political crisis. Forcing a policy on a minority that ,say, absolutely hates the idea simply cannot pass with the 'but people voted and you lost!' argument. I guess if Ukraine, or any other country for that matter, has such a core conflict between political views and direction it simply has to split so each side can govern itself as it sees fit. Majority vote just sucks when people are so polarized. How about we actually see how the votes go before we start partitioning Ukraine.
Sure but a marginal victory for either side wont present any solution whatsoever.
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