Ukraine Crisis - Page 57

On February 23 2014 00:24 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Yanukovich is no more a president, Verkhovna Rada voted for resignation

On February 23 2014 00:34 mahrgell wrote:
so the parliament decides to ignore all the results of the negotiations 2 days ago led by the EU foreign ministers?
That is surely a good base for trust in future relations, if there is a power change now

On February 23 2014 00:36 Cheerio wrote:

Yanukovich was bluffing, he was basically blackmailing everyone with more casualties to keep his seat. EU and opposition bought that, but people of Ukraine didn't.

On February 22 2014 23:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Ofc I've got more reasons to belive ur words instead of words of my friend living in Kiev, and that happened to her 62 years old neighbour...Stop it

On February 23 2014 00:34 mahrgell wrote:
so the parliament decides to ignore all the results of the negotiations 2 days ago led by the EU foreign ministers?
That is surely a good base for trust in future relations, if there is a power change now

On February 23 2014 00:47 mahrgell wrote:
Even if the protesters are a majority by now, demanding 110% and leaving your opponent with nothing, when your opponent still has significant backing in the whole eastern ukraine won't help the country...
And if every compromise is thrown away after half a day, then you can hardly blame yanukovitch for 'not willing to negotiate'

On February 23 2014 00:47 MyrMindservant wrote:


Yanukovich is the one who started to ignore everything. Many thing have happened today, very many. Ministers of foreign affairs from Poland, Germany and France are currently in Kiev, in Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament). They knew about the upcoming vote for presidential resignation and didn't mind it.
Please don't take things out of context.

On February 23 2014 00:44 Gorsameth wrote:
Hm i feeling saying the EU/Opposition bought it is a little harsh. Deals like this need a level of trust. You cant expect those reforms to be done instantly.
The people and the politicians both sat back and waited to see the reforms come in.

The real question is what else can they do. They cannot directly intervene unless things get really really out of hand and until then all they can do is say Yanukovich is a bad boy.

Edit:
I doubt Yanukovich is threatening more blood in these negotiations. If he commits a bloodbath he gives the EU a valid reason to launch a military intervention. Assuming the military doesn't just say "enough is enough" and intervenes themselves.

On February 23 2014 00:57 MyrMindservant wrote:
You probably have no idea who yanukovich is. He doesn't deserve any trust. Especially not after what was found in his residence today (he hastily fled from Kiev yesterday at evening).
And yes, he can and most probably did threaten other negotiators. He hardly have anything to lose in Ukraine now, press now has enough evidences to put him in jail till the end of his life, or execute if only it would be legal in Ukraine.

On February 23 2014 00:47 mahrgell wrote:
Even if the protesters are a majority by now, demanding 110% and leaving your opponent with nothing, when your opponent still has significant backing in the whole eastern ukraine won't help the country...
And if every compromise is thrown away after half a day, then you can hardly blame yanukovitch for 'not willing to negotiate'

edit: I'm btw (of course, as a euopean) favoring the protesters... But what they have shown lately really reduced my support for them... If there is nothing stopping them but total victory, it is clear, that they didn't understand the idea of democracy either... And long term this total victory they are aiming for will just throw back ukraine as much as yanukovich did... And will certainly not bring them closer to europe Have fun ending like turkey... Always part of all military alliances, but no chance to get into the EU...

On February 23 2014 01:25 hunts wrote:
I'm glad at least things are slowly going in the right direction. I was born in ukraine and lived in dnepropitrovsk until I was 8, when we moved to america, makes me very sad that it seems since then things have only been going downhill for ukraine. Unfortunately I also can't help with translating news as I forgot how to read/write russian a long time ago.

On February 23 2014 01:05 Cheerio wrote:

Should there have been a peace treaty with Hitler at some point to avoid further bloodshed? Suppose there was. And then the Germans removed him, what would have you done? Demanded that the treaty was being upheld and Hitler reinstalled? Clearly Yanukovich is not Hitler but you get the idea. There is a line after crossing which a politician has to go, if he refuses to do so he must be forced. In my opinion Yanukovich has crossed that line a long time ago. Also technically Maidan didn't just catch him and force into resignation under the fear of death, he was impeached by the Parliament, including by many of his former allies representing Eastern and Southern regions. If such behavior is not meet EU standards, so be it. But there is a question whose standards are actually lacking.

On February 23 2014 00:54 mahrgell wrote:


And what is happening right now is certainly not part of those negotiations...

On February 23 2014 01:05 Cheerio wrote:

Should there have been a peace treaty with Hitler at some point to avoid further bloodshed? Suppose there was. And then the Germans removed him, what would have you done? Demanded that the treaty was being upheld and Hitler reinstalled? Clearly Yanukovich is not Hitler but you get the idea. There is a line after crossing which a politician has to go, if he refuses to do so he must be forced. In my opinion Yanukovich has crossed that line a long time ago. Also technically Maidan didn't just catch him and force into resignation under the fear of death, he was impeached by the Parliament, including by many of his former allies representing Eastern and Southern regions. If such behavior is not meet EU standards, so be it. But there is a question whose standards are actually lacking.