|
|
On May 06 2014 11:48 marigoldran wrote:
It's very, very early. The East Ukrainian thing has been going on for what, a month? We'll see. If you're wrong, can I rub it in your face?
My point about Hitler is that choosing Russia over "fascism" isn't necessarily a much better choice. EDIT: Russia has a history of being abusive towards Ukraine. It's like asking someone: would you rather have your stomach removed or your liver? Do you want to be ruled by the people in Kiev, or the people in Moscow?
If I'm "wrong", it'll be because it's a development that would have suddenly happened. But for now, I and everyone else in this thread, along with the journalists and observers who have scoured the situation first-hand inside and out no stone unturned, are right. You're literally arguing that the grass in front of my apartment is purple. I hate to break it to you, but it's green.
You should be honored I even give you the honor of replying  , though, it is perhaps the product of my general neutrality. At least zeo, for what it's worth, posts lots of things that are sometimes at least partially right and seriously tries to back his own arguments.
|
Yeah. And afterwards Putin would hand out medals to everyone who helped Russia get the pretext to invade East Ukraine. And those medals would most likely be handed out even before Russia invades East Ukraine.
You're thinking highly of yourself. I guess that means you're emotionally balanced. But otherwise, no one likes you.
Neutrality is flawed when it's wrong. Just because you're "neutral" doesn't mean you're correct. On this issue it just means you're wishy-washy and unable or unwilling to connect the dots.
Here, some news:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/jews-preparing-to-evacuate-ukraine/
Link title says it all.
|
On May 06 2014 12:01 marigoldran wrote:
You're thinking highly of yourself. I guess that means you're emotionally balanced. But otherwise, no one likes you.
Neutrality is flawed when it's wrong. Just because you're "neutral" doesn't mean you're correct. On this issue it just means you're wishy-washy and unable or unwilling to connect the dots.
Look at this guy, even some psychological and philosophical analysis XD
|
On May 06 2014 12:01 marigoldran wrote:
Yeah. And afterwards Putin would hand out medals to everyone who helped Russia invade East Ukraine. And those medals would most likely be handed out even before Russia invades East Ukraine.
You're thinking highly of yourself. I guess that means you're emotionally balanced. But otherwise, no one likes you.
Neutrality is flawed when it's wrong. Just because you're "neutral" doesn't mean you're correct. On this issue it just means you're wishy-washy and unable or unwilling to connect the dots.
In the case you're "arguing", I'm not wrong. I'm simply in agreement with the situation as reported by the journalists and observers right in the field. Of course, to deny a truth is hardly neutral, as you certainly are doing. In this case, what you're doing is not "connecting the dots", it's simply being in denial. We have zero evidence of Russian forces being in eastern Ukraine and Russia supplying the insurgents. If either or both conspiracy theories were true, the insurgents would already have won lol.
But otherwise, no one likes you.
I seem to have struck a nerve Sorry about that. hehe
|
On May 06 2014 12:03 Greem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 12:01 marigoldran wrote:
You're thinking highly of yourself. I guess that means you're emotionally balanced. But otherwise, no one likes you.
Neutrality is flawed when it's wrong. Just because you're "neutral" doesn't mean you're correct. On this issue it just means you're wishy-washy and unable or unwilling to connect the dots. Look at this guy, even some psychological and philosophical analysis XD
Yeah, why not? Who doesn't do this? Besides, it's fun.
Look at Putin. Even he does it. He philosophizes by calling everyone he doesn't like "fascists." If he can do it, why can't I? What goes around, comes around.
|
On May 06 2014 12:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 12:01 marigoldran wrote:
Yeah. And afterwards Putin would hand out medals to everyone who helped Russia invade East Ukraine. And those medals would most likely be handed out even before Russia invades East Ukraine.
You're thinking highly of yourself. I guess that means you're emotionally balanced. But otherwise, no one likes you.
Neutrality is flawed when it's wrong. Just because you're "neutral" doesn't mean you're correct. On this issue it just means you're wishy-washy and unable or unwilling to connect the dots. In the case you're "arguing", I'm not wrong. I'm simply in agreement with the situation as reported by the journalists and observers right in the field. Of course, to deny a truth is hardly neutral, as you certainly are doing. It's not "connecting the dots", it's simply being purely in denial. I seem to have struck a nerve Sorry about that. hehe
In an interview on Aaron Klein’s Sunday night radio show on New York’s 970 AM The Answer, Bleich squarely blamed the violence ripping the country apart on Russia and its allies in Ukraine.
He stated, “All of the violence, and when I say all, I mean every single case of violence of Ukrainian against Ukrainian has been instigated and implemented by the pro-Russians – initiated, implemented, instigated.”
He said Friday’s clashes were “also instigated and initiated by the pro-Russians, who attacked a peaceful demonstration of Ukrainian unity as they have done dozens and dozens of times throughout eastern and southern Ukraine over the last two months. They were attacked by baseball bats, and what was added is that people were shot.”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/jews-preparing-to-evacuate-ukraine/#xPJFKKMsChrTsu0V.99
|
On May 06 2014 12:05 marigoldran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 12:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On May 06 2014 12:01 marigoldran wrote:
Yeah. And afterwards Putin would hand out medals to everyone who helped Russia invade East Ukraine. And those medals would most likely be handed out even before Russia invades East Ukraine.
You're thinking highly of yourself. I guess that means you're emotionally balanced. But otherwise, no one likes you.
Neutrality is flawed when it's wrong. Just because you're "neutral" doesn't mean you're correct. On this issue it just means you're wishy-washy and unable or unwilling to connect the dots. In the case you're "arguing", I'm not wrong. I'm simply in agreement with the situation as reported by the journalists and observers right in the field. Of course, to deny a truth is hardly neutral, as you certainly are doing. It's not "connecting the dots", it's simply being purely in denial. But otherwise, no one likes you. I seem to have struck a nerve Sorry about that. hehe In an interview on Aaron Klein’s Sunday night radio show on New York’s 970 AM The Answer, Bleich squarely blamed the violence ripping the country apart on Russia and its allies in Ukraine. He stated, “All of the violence, and when I say all, I mean every single case of violence of Ukrainian against Ukrainian has been instigated and implemented by the pro-Russians – initiated, implemented, instigated.” He said Friday’s clashes were “also instigated and initiated by the pro-Russians, who attacked a peaceful demonstration of Ukrainian unity as they have done dozens and dozens of times throughout eastern and southern Ukraine over the last two months. They were attacked by baseball bats, and what was added is that people were shot.” Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/jews-preparing-to-evacuate-ukraine/#xPJFKKMsChrTsu0V.99
Cool story dude. So your entire evidence is some old rabbi pointing fingers, with no substantiation. The fact he says ALL the violence is Russia's doing is a conspiracy theory that would make Alex Jones wet. LOL. Yeah, Russia is orchestrating everything. It's all one giant conspiracy that only you know about. Said rabbi conveniently ignores violence against separatists, including the incineration of some of them just recently in Odessa. Yes, Russia is responsible for that too! Of course! Russian Spetsnaz actually lit the building on fire! There were no molotovs, either. The Spetsnaz built a bonfire inside the building! Wow, these guys are ninjas!
However, this has nothing to do with your other conspiracies about Russian military forces in Ukraine or Russia supplying the insurgents, both of which also have no substantiation.
|
|
|
In Washington, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Obama warned that Russia could be hit by new sanctions from the U.S. and the European Union if it continues disruptive actions in Ukraine. Previous sanctions are showing signs of significant effect on the Russian economy.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/03/ukraine-unrest-spreads/
|
|
|
It is more than a month since the Russians annexed Crimea, and recent events have only exacerbated the crisis, with pro-Russian rebels reportedly shooting down two Ukrainian helicopters in separatist-held Slaviansk on Friday. Yet the president still hasn’t laid out a comprehensive statement of what is really at stake: why we are facing this problem; why it is in our common interest to resolve it, with the Russians if possible; and why, if negotiation does not work out, we have an obligation to help Ukraine. Above all, the president must clarify why we cannot tolerate an international system in which countries are invaded by thugs and destabilized from abroad. And why this is a common responsibility not just for us but for our allies and other friends like the Chinese, whose stake in stability should be as great as ours.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/what-obama-should-tell-americans-about-ukraine-106277.html#ixzz30tyJv0Bv
[Ironic of course that the Americans would be raising this point. But it goes to show that the Western governments are behaving AS IF the insurgency is being heavily supported by Russia].
|
"Russian special forces aimed to destabilize many regions in the south, east, and even the center of Ukraine. But at the same time they only achieved a real result in the east, in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions," he said.
Oh my god! Spetsnaz Ninjas are all over the country! I think Russia built a Dark Shrine or something, because these guys are literally everywhere and no one knows about it!
The reality is, Nazis everywhere are to Putin as Russian special forces is to Turchynov XD. It's called propaganda bro, and Ukraine's govt. is doing it a ton too. I think I'll go off of the word of journalists/observers on the ground, rather than Vladimir Putin or Alexander Turchynov.
Please, anything besides political rhetoric (btw, after Kerry's statements a week or two ago, he's been a bit shy and not as bombastic. He probably realized he was entirely wrong). The only proof of Russian forces in Ukraine and Russian supplying the insurgents is that US politicians are in opposition to anything Russia does. Other than that, we have yet to hear anything from actual proof on the matter. So far, direct Russian actions include securing the release the captured observers. Seems counter-intuitive, doesn't it?
|
On May 4, in New York, a panel was held at the PEN International Literature Festival, devoted to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Central European revolutions of 1989. Although originally the panel - which consisted of prominent intellectuals from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic - intended to take stock of the lofty lessons of the democratic "velvet" revolutions, the agenda quickly devolved into an angst-ridden colloquium about the tinderbox that is Ukraine these days.
If there was any consensus reached during the discussion, it proceeded along the following lines: 1) The master in the Kremlin may go all the way in his Ukrainian adventure and there is little stopping him; and 2) Ukraine is a crucial battleground for Vladimir Putin's emerging new doctrine and a decisive test of the western resolve. To the last point, I would add that Putin's emerging "New Russia" doctrine serves one paramount goal: his own and his regime's survival.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/05/putin-going-all-way-ukraine-2014555315414502.html
The assumption being made in this article is the Ukrainian adventure is run by the master of the Kremlin.
|
*yawn*
Hey zeo, I think you got competition
|
|
|
Yawn all you want. You asked for news articles. I have provided them. From lots of different sources and directions.
You just got owned.
Good night.
|
On May 06 2014 12:21 marigoldran wrote:
Yawn all you want. You asked for news articles. I have provided them. From lots of different sources and directions.
You just got owned.
Good night.
Hahahahahaaha!!! You provided some political statements that are about as accurate as Putin saying everyone is Nazis. Maybe we should believe Putin too?
Hey guys, marigoldran says political propaganda is complete truth. Everyone from Maidan and new Ukrainian government is Nazis according to marigoldran.
Well, you're sillier than I thought.
"You just got owned" XD
|
On May 06 2014 12:21 marigoldran wrote:
Yawn all you want. You asked for news articles. I have provided them. From lots of different sources and directions.
You just got owned.
Good night.
i think that actually was someone getting owned.
i saw it all man, i was there man.
|
Dude, I quoted from both Al Jazeera AND Fox news. They BOTH agree that Russia is behind the Ukrainian mess.
|
hahaha mari. you are awesome.
this gotta be tl-satire.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
