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Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
January 31 2014 10:02 GMT
#661
Polish media report that army is trying to get involved, but then again army involvement would be equal to introducing the martial law. That would get things even more messy than they already are.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
January 31 2014 13:10 GMT
#662
Yeah the army pretty much said work something out or we're gonna have to step in because we're getting a little freaked out over this brouhaha. And the UN is getting its slow gears in motion over protesters being tortured.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
January 31 2014 16:56 GMT
#663
On January 31 2014 06:46 Cheerio wrote:
The missing leader of one of the Euromaidan groups, the Automaidan, has been found alive after he had disappeared 8 days ago. He was being beaten up and tortured (even crucified, there are wounds in the palms of his hands to prove it), part of his ear was cut off. The only thing he could tell about his kidnappers was that they had a Russian accent.

[image loading]

update: police responded by opening a criminal case against Bulatov, the kidnapped person, and two other Automaidan leaders.
kalstrams
Profile Joined July 2011
33 Posts
February 02 2014 00:49 GMT
#664
Yanukovych might be in reanimation right now. Opposition did get this information 2 hours ago.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21682 Posts
February 02 2014 00:55 GMT
#665
On February 02 2014 09:49 kalstrams wrote:
Yanukovych might be in reanimation right now. Opposition did get this information 2 hours ago.

Did he have a previous history of bad health?
This feels awfully convenient.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 02:43:06
February 02 2014 02:42 GMT
#666
On February 02 2014 09:49 kalstrams wrote:
Yanukovych might be in reanimation right now. Opposition did get this information 2 hours ago.

i dont want to be a dick, but that sounds more like an excuse for a "gtfo asap" cloak-and-dagger operation...

in the end, janukovych will step down, go on exile in russia, live the rest of his life in luxury while he gets replaced by some other pro-russian puppet that is brimful of corruption.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 02 2014 16:37 GMT
#667
On February 02 2014 11:42 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 09:49 kalstrams wrote:
Yanukovych might be in reanimation right now. Opposition did get this information 2 hours ago.

i dont want to be a dick, but that sounds more like an excuse for a "gtfo asap" cloak-and-dagger operation...

in the end, janukovych will step down, go on exile in russia, live the rest of his life in luxury while he gets replaced by some other pro-russian puppet that is brimful of corruption.

That is highly unlikely. Yanukovich is not under Russia's control, he is being influenced by it, that makes a big difference. Also there is no suitable "pro-russian puppet" at hand around whom the pro-Yanukovich forces could be united. So it's either Yanukovich stays or pro-EU forces take over. And who exactly takes the Presidential seat is not really important, since the Constitutional reform would most likely ensue.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
February 02 2014 17:46 GMT
#668
On February 02 2014 11:42 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 09:49 kalstrams wrote:
Yanukovych might be in reanimation right now. Opposition did get this information 2 hours ago.

i dont want to be a dick, but that sounds more like an excuse for a "gtfo asap" cloak-and-dagger operation...

in the end, janukovych will step down, go on exile in russia, live the rest of his life in luxury while he gets replaced by some other pro-russian puppet that is brimful of corruption.

You greatly overrate influence of Russia on Yanukovich.
Also, listening to Russian tv reports of whatever is happening in Ukraine is hilarious, that's how biased they are.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 22:48:00
February 02 2014 21:43 GMT
#669
On February 01 2014 01:56 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 06:46 Cheerio wrote:
The missing leader of one of the Euromaidan groups, the Automaidan, has been found alive after he had disappeared 8 days ago. He was being beaten up and tortured (even crucified, there are wounds in the palms of his hands to prove it), part of his ear was cut off. The only thing he could tell about his kidnappers was that they had a Russian accent.

[image loading]

update: police responded by opening a criminal case against Bulatov, the kidnapped person, and two other Automaidan leaders.

update: the case against Bulatov has been closed, for now. Mainly because of the huge media attention and the diplomatic pressure. He has left Ukraine to receive treatment in EU.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
February 02 2014 22:48 GMT
#670
What is reanimation? I've never heard that used as a term for a medical procedure before, when I read that it made me think he's now a zombie or something
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21682 Posts
February 02 2014 23:22 GMT
#671
On February 03 2014 07:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
What is reanimation? I've never heard that used as a term for a medical procedure before, when I read that it made me think he's now a zombie or something

Most likely a care of translation issues. I assume its CPR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiopulmonary_resuscitation
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kalstrams
Profile Joined July 2011
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 00:49:59
February 03 2014 00:49 GMT
#672
On February 03 2014 07:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
What is reanimation? I've never heard that used as a term for a medical procedure before, when I read that it made me think he's now a zombie or something

It is place in hospital where doctors look after people in comatose. I think proper way to call it is intensive care bloc.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 03 2014 03:28 GMT
#673
The guy went into a freakin' coma during all of this?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 05:28:11
February 03 2014 05:27 GMT
#674
On February 03 2014 08:22 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 07:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
What is reanimation? I've never heard that used as a term for a medical procedure before, when I read that it made me think he's now a zombie or something

Most likely a care of translation issues. I assume its CPR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiopulmonary_resuscitation

Yep, in English it is resuscitation. Reanimation is a term of Slavic origin.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 22:26:33
February 05 2014 19:14 GMT
#675
The situation has calmed down a bit. All sides are waiting for something. Putin is waiting for the Olympic games to finish. Yanukovich is waiting for his meeting with Putin on the 7th of February to plan his next steps. Pro-Yanukovich forces are waiting for Yanukovich to do something while also waiting for the protesters to free the captured administrative buildings. Protesters are waiting for the captured people to be released and some real movement in the reforms of the current government. EU is just waiting... Ok, that sounded rather harsh. They are actually working on providing some incentives both for the opposition and the government to agree on some kind of a deal. But the problems are rooted so deeply a compromise with Yanukovich would be viewed as betrayal by most of the protesters.

Among other things a protest marsh was held in Moscow
Give us freedom, or we’ll give you Maidan” – Rally in Moscow

February 2, 2014, a rally against Kremlin policy was held in Moscow. Up to five thousand people came out for the march with the demand to free political prisoners and the aim to support Ukraine.


http://euromaidanpr.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/give-us-freedom-or-well-give-you-maidan-rally-in-moscow/comment-page-1/
http://news.liga.net/news/politics/972646-mnogotysyachnyy_protestnyy_marsh_v_moskve_podderzhal_maydan.htm
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
February 05 2014 22:25 GMT
#676
EU is just waiting...


Actually the EU has been, pretty frequently, giving the diplomatic equivalent of the middle finger to Putin and Yanukovich for a while now. It's pretty interesting to see since the EU rarely throws its weight around that way.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 18:00:58
February 06 2014 17:59 GMT
#677
An explosive device went off in one of the captured administrative buildings in Kyiv. One person got seriously injured. The device was put into a box labeled "medical aid" and detonated when the box was being opened.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 06 2014 20:21 GMT
#678
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 06 2014 21:17 GMT
#679
On February 07 2014 05:21 Cheerio wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xQxmiYdxHk

Not available in my country, apparently
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 21:33:16
February 06 2014 21:32 GMT
#680
On February 07 2014 06:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 05:21 Cheerio wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xQxmiYdxHk

Not available in my country, apparently


Text version
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/02/ukraine-protest-leader-describes-torture-2014261129918697.html

+ Show Spoiler +

Ukraine opposition activist Dmytro Bulatov has outlined details of his imprisonment and torture, saying his captors cut off part of his ear before touching it to his face.

Bulatov described his beatings as "very professional" while speaking to reporters on Thursday in Lithuania's capital Vilnius, where he headed for medical treatment after being discovered eight days after he went missing on January 22.

"They cut my ear, I couldn't feel how much they cut off my ear. They took the piece of my ear and touched my face with it," Bulatov said, adding that he became so desperate as the beatings continued that he falsely confessed to having received $50,000 from the US Ambassador in an attempt to stop the torture.

Bulatov said his captors were continually asking who was funding the protests in Ukraine and accused him of being a US spy paid by the CIA.

"It felt as if melted metal was poured on my face. The only thing I wanted was for this to stop," Bulatov told reporters. "I said whatever they wanted."

Automaidan, the protest group run by Bulatov, was largely made up of drivers who would blockade streets to protect protest camps.

On the final day, Bulatov says he was pinned to a wooden door. "On the last day they put me on my knees. They said 'we are going to crucify you,'" he said.

Bulatov says that nails were then driven through his hands.

"I was asking them to kill me because I was unable to stand this any more. Some time later they came and put a bag on my head and took me somewhere. I was hoping my suffering was finished."

Al Jazeera's Nadim Baba, reporting from Vilnius, said there are conflicting accounts about what happened to Bulatov and that the Ukrainian government has cast doubt on his story.

Our correspondent said Bulatov hinted that those who abducted him might be from the Russian security services.

"He said that was because they were speaking Russian 'with an accent' - his words. He says he wasn't sure but that's where his suspicions lie. Obviously that's going to be very incendiary for his supporters in Ukraine."

'Attempt to overthrow'

His detention became a rallying point for Ukrainian protesters in Kiev and was condemned by EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton who called it a "deliberate targeting" of peaceful protesters.

The identities of those who took him are not known.

Late on Wednesday, opposition leader and former interior minister, Yuriy Lutsenko, said the country's security services are investigating him for an alleged attempt to "overthrow the state".

Lutsenko, a close ally of jailed pro-Western former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, is a key figure in the protest movement locked in a two-month confrontation with Ukraine's President Viktor Yanukovych.

"Today I received notice from the SBU security service about a case against me over "an attempt to overthrow the constitutional state'," Lutsenko said in remarks published on his official website.

He said the investigation was linked to a call he made for the creation of an alternative parliament to be established under the name People's Rada.

If convicted the 49-year-old politician, who spent two years in jail before being released last year under Western pressure, could serve up to five years in prison.

No official confirmation of the investigation was immediately available.

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