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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:15 Sent. wrote: They could just send some jets to fly around Poland or Romania and call it a "military response". I don't expect anything more than an empty gesture. Haven't they already done this or atleast decided to? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
can't find source atm though | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
I'm asking because I'm wondering how the media portrays it there. Also, does the 'average' Russian thinks there are Russian soldiers there? | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On March 12 2014 18:31 xM(Z wrote: those lines on the map give you oil; of course it's worth it. besides, the faster people realize that land >>>>>>> people, that land has always outworth people, the more time they'll have to try and change that. ehm... can anybody explain that idea to me so that I can understand? | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote: Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops Wat How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them? I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim? This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway? | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote: Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops Thanks, I don't really speak to many Russians (dota 2 doesn't count imo :p ) so I really have no idea about things like that. It's interesting that most Russians believe it's their troops while the media and president say differently. Do you think that the people look at Putin saying it's not their troops as sort of a wink wink, nudge nudge sort of thing? Or do they view it as him lying to them? | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:52 SilentchiLL wrote: Wat How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them? I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim? This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway? hmm i don't know how to explain this we have big tradition from Soviet days to not believe official media sources that sounds strange but its true most of the russian citizens fully support Putin cause we kinda consider Crimea our land | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:55 PaleMan wrote: i like there is some common sense in germans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EOyz8yS5cc a) Switzerland is not germany b) googletranslate yourself: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klagemauer.tv Awesome... A bunch of holocaust denyers, rightwingers and conspiracy freaks... | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 13 2014 02:00 PaleMan wrote: No different than how people consume media online, pick and chose what we like and say that's real. Journalism died apparently with cable (opinion based)news.hmm i don't know how to explain this we have big tradition from Soviet days to not believe official media sources that sounds strange but its true most of the russian citizens fully support Putin cause we kinda consider Crimea our land | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:57 Saryph wrote: Thanks, I don't really speak to many Russians (dota 2 doesn't count imo :p ) so I really have no idea about things like that. It's interesting that most Russians believe it's their troops while the media and president say differently. Do you think that the people look at Putin saying it's not their troops as sort of a wink wink, nudge nudge sort of thing? Or do they view it as him lying to them? I think that "those are not Russian troops" is used officially just for the reason of plausible deniability,because no one for now can prove those are indeed Russian troops. In reality everybody knows those are Russian troops,even people in Russia.You know they also have cable/satellite tv and some sort of independent media,its not 1953. Basically that is not a lie made for Russian people or even for the west,i think its a technical thing. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed *** More escalation: Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On March 13 2014 01:52 SilentchiLL wrote: Wat How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them? I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim? This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway? It's apologism, a soviet legacy. One couldn't live in USSR and not go crazy unless he accepted apologism: there is a some kind of a higher goal or archenemy and everything bad that is going on in the country is a necessary evil, sacrifices need to be made. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 13 2014 02:31 Cheerio wrote: It's apologism, a soviet legacy. One couldn't live in USSR and not go crazy unless he accepted apologism: there is a some kind of a higher goal or archenemy and everything bad that is going on in the country is a necessary evil, sacrifices need to be made. Not to mention the humour. The Soviet Union sparked some of the best jokes ever devised by the race of men. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
On March 13 2014 02:30 Ghanburighan wrote: What the Flying Rhinoceros Fuck: https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/443799250225594368 Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed *** More escalation: Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source. Maybe it was illegal in Soviet legal system, so what? That doesn't mean Putin wants to annex Ukraine. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On March 13 2014 02:30 Ghanburighan wrote: What the Flying Rhinoceros Fuck: https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/443799250225594368 Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed *** More escalation: Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source. http://echo.msk.ru/news/1277694-echo.html The link above apparently agrees with your link from twitter, though if we could get a better translation than google it would be nice. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 13 2014 02:33 Sent. wrote: Maybe it was illegal in Soviet legal system, so what? That doesn't mean Putin wants to annex Ukraine. They cited Russian laws as legitimization of sending troops into Ukraine. If they consider such laws pertinent to the current situation, they also consider them pertinent with regard to the Baltics, potentially to every Warsaw Pact country, including half of Germany. Mentioning such rhetoric will sound off alarm bells across the world. | ||
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