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SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
March 12 2014 16:16 GMT
#5501
On March 13 2014 01:15 Sent. wrote:
They could just send some jets to fly around Poland or Romania and call it a "military response". I don't expect anything more than an empty gesture.


Haven't they already done this or atleast decided to?
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9241 Posts
March 12 2014 16:20 GMT
#5502
Yes they did. Someone said in this thread that USA will send 12 f-16 to Poland and around 300 military personel somewhere.
You're now breathing manually
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 12 2014 16:27 GMT
#5503
i read somewhere there was a drone destroyed in Crimea
can't find source atm though
Pure fan
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 12 2014 16:30 GMT
#5504
Hey Paleman, I assume you live in Russia. Does the media there report that there are Russian troops in Crimea, or do they run with Putin's claim that there are none?

I'm asking because I'm wondering how the media portrays it there. Also, does the 'average' Russian thinks there are Russian soldiers there?
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 12 2014 16:36 GMT
#5505
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops
Pure fan
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
March 12 2014 16:44 GMT
#5506
On March 12 2014 18:31 xM(Z wrote:
those lines on the map give you oil; of course it's worth it.
besides, the faster people realize that land >>>>>>> people, that land has always outworth people, the more time they'll have to try and change that.

ehm... can anybody explain that idea to me so that I can understand?
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
March 12 2014 16:52 GMT
#5507
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Wat
How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them?
I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim?
This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway?
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 12 2014 16:55 GMT
#5508
i like there is some common sense in germans



Pure fan
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 12 2014 16:57 GMT
#5509
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Thanks, I don't really speak to many Russians (dota 2 doesn't count imo :p ) so I really have no idea about things like that. It's interesting that most Russians believe it's their troops while the media and president say differently.

Do you think that the people look at Putin saying it's not their troops as sort of a wink wink, nudge nudge sort of thing? Or do they view it as him lying to them?
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 12 2014 17:00 GMT
#5510
On March 13 2014 01:52 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Wat
How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them?
I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim?
This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway?


hmm
i don't know how to explain this

we have big tradition from Soviet days to not believe official media sources
that sounds strange but its true

most of the russian citizens fully support Putin cause we kinda consider Crimea our land
Pure fan
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
March 12 2014 17:01 GMT
#5511
I think most Russians think Putin is playing the "game" well, and thats why they dont take some stuff literally, like the troops being russian or not.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 12 2014 17:03 GMT
#5512
On March 13 2014 01:55 PaleMan wrote:
i like there is some common sense in germans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EOyz8yS5cc


a) Switzerland is not germany

b) googletranslate yourself: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klagemauer.tv
Awesome... A bunch of holocaust denyers, rightwingers and conspiracy freaks...
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 12 2014 17:03 GMT
#5513
On March 13 2014 02:00 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 01:52 SilentchiLL wrote:
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Wat
How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them?
I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim?
This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway?


hmm
i don't know how to explain this

we have big tradition from Soviet days to not believe official media sources
that sounds strange but its true

most of the russian citizens fully support Putin cause we kinda consider Crimea our land
No different than how people consume media online, pick and chose what we like and say that's real. Journalism died apparently with cable (opinion based)news.
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 17:10:25
March 12 2014 17:08 GMT
#5514
On March 13 2014 01:57 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Thanks, I don't really speak to many Russians (dota 2 doesn't count imo :p ) so I really have no idea about things like that. It's interesting that most Russians believe it's their troops while the media and president say differently.

Do you think that the people look at Putin saying it's not their troops as sort of a wink wink, nudge nudge sort of thing? Or do they view it as him lying to them?

I think that "those are not Russian troops" is used officially just for the reason of plausible deniability,because no one for now can prove those are indeed Russian troops.
In reality everybody knows those are Russian troops,even people in Russia.You know they also have cable/satellite tv and some sort of independent media,its not 1953.
Basically that is not a lie made for Russian people or even for the west,i think its a technical thing.
Freelancer veteran
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 17:31:31
March 12 2014 17:30 GMT
#5515
What the Flying Rhinoceros Fuck:



Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed

***

More escalation:

Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
March 12 2014 17:31 GMT
#5516
On March 13 2014 01:52 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Wat
How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them?
I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim?
This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway?

It's apologism, a soviet legacy. One couldn't live in USSR and not go crazy unless he accepted apologism: there is a some kind of a higher goal or archenemy and everything bad that is going on in the country is a necessary evil, sacrifices need to be made.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 12 2014 17:32 GMT
#5517
On March 13 2014 02:31 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 01:52 SilentchiLL wrote:
On March 13 2014 01:36 PaleMan wrote:
Saryph, some of the media reports these are russian troops, some have various versions up to french foreign legion troops

i think most of the russian ppl think its our army troops


Wat
How do the russian people explain that their media is obviously lying to them?
I mean, when even they know that their troops are there, how can they believe the other stuff they claim?
This boggles my mind quite a bit, there have been several russian posters here who defended the official version of Putin, do they selectively choose what of the things the russian media reports they believe or do those who support this kinda know what Putin's doing but support him anyway?

It's apologism, a soviet legacy. One couldn't live in USSR and not go crazy unless he accepted apologism: there is a some kind of a higher goal or archenemy and everything bad that is going on in the country is a necessary evil, sacrifices need to be made.


Not to mention the humour. The Soviet Union sparked some of the best jokes ever devised by the race of men.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9241 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 17:33:29
March 12 2014 17:33 GMT
#5518
On March 13 2014 02:30 Ghanburighan wrote:
What the Flying Rhinoceros Fuck:

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/443799250225594368

Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed

***

More escalation:

Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source.


Maybe it was illegal in Soviet legal system, so what? That doesn't mean Putin wants to annex Ukraine.
You're now breathing manually
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 17:35:13
March 12 2014 17:34 GMT
#5519
On March 13 2014 02:30 Ghanburighan wrote:
What the Flying Rhinoceros Fuck:

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/443799250225594368

Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed

***

More escalation:

Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source.


http://echo.msk.ru/news/1277694-echo.html

The link above apparently agrees with your link from twitter, though if we could get a better translation than google it would be nice.

Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 12 2014 17:35 GMT
#5520
On March 13 2014 02:33 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 02:30 Ghanburighan wrote:
What the Flying Rhinoceros Fuck:

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/443799250225594368

Edit: This definitely needs to be confirmed

***

More escalation:

Troop movements reported near the Eastern border of Ukraine. Source.


Maybe it was illegal in Soviet legal system, so what? That doesn't mean Putin wants to annex Ukraine.


They cited Russian laws as legitimization of sending troops into Ukraine. If they consider such laws pertinent to the current situation, they also consider them pertinent with regard to the Baltics, potentially to every Warsaw Pact country, including half of Germany. Mentioning such rhetoric will sound off alarm bells across the world.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
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