On March 08 2014 08:02 frogrubdown wrote: It's hard to understand, nearly 250 pages into thread, how people still think that making the 100th or so post about America's wrongs is either relevant or informative. This may come as a shock to wannabe Chomskys, but you need to know more than a litany of bad acts by America to have anything worthwhile to say about what's happening in Ukraine.
Not to mention that Russia is the reigning bad act champion.
1. Besides the Iraq war, which was really stupid, the other American invasions/operations, actually had a factual basis. Syria actually did use chemical weapons, there is dictatorship all over the middle east, and the Taliban are present in Afghanistan(and the US actually did kill Bin Laden). Regarding the Crimea conflict, Russia is just acting delusional. Russians aren't in imminent danger, and there clearly are Russian troops occupying the territory, which Russia is denying.
2. The American public actually is very skeptical when it comes to going to war. Polls suggest they're not happy anymore about that kind of policy. At the same time Russians are cheering for their great leader while he's violating international law.
Do you havr any evidence for Russians who are cheering for Putin? I can hardly believe the average Russian enjoys the prospect of economic sanctions and possibly war for little benefit.
There was hundreds of thousands of people protesting every single of those american wars as well.
I don't remember anyone even tried to get any sanctions vs USA though.
Tbh all that double standards politics is such bs. USA in the middle east, USA in the EU, protecting the democracy and the human rights. Yet, they do whatever they want whenever they want. NSA and hidden prisons around the world come to mind.
I'm not interested in politics that much and I sure hope there won't be any war (I'm sure there won't be, because no one wants a nuclear war), but at the same time I do hope that someone someday put USA to their place. It probably won't be Russia though, most likelly China in a few (10+) years.
On March 08 2014 08:02 frogrubdown wrote: It's hard to understand, nearly 250 pages into thread, how people still think that making the 100th or so post about America's wrongs is either relevant or informative. This may come as a shock to wannabe Chomskys, but you need to know more than a litany of bad acts by America to have anything worthwhile to say about what's happening in Ukraine.
It's not even about Americas' actions, it's about reaction to pretty much the same thing when it's done by someone else.
Neither America or Russia are right when their interfere to other countries' things, but for some reason when it's done by America it's ok, when it's done by Russia it's not. I'm talking about high level reactions though, not some people protesting on the streets which does nothing at all.
At the same time Russians are cheering for their great leader while he's violating international law.
Generalization much? There're mindless patriots in every country, but normal people don't support Putin at all. In fact I don't know anyone who would think it's a great idea to get Crimea. If you want to know what most people think, then it's pretty much: "just leave that ****ing Ukraine alone already, we have enough of our problems already to spend billions on that".
On March 07 2014 23:45 Grettin wrote: Don't know whether these have been posted yet, but VICE is also reporting about the situation pretty regularly. Timespan might be bit longer though.
At the same time Russians are cheering for their great leader while he's violating international law.
Generalization much? There're mindless patriots in every country, but normal people don't support Putin at all. In fact I don't know anyone who would think it's a great idea to get Crimea. If you want to know what most people think, then it's pretty much: "just leave that ****ing Ukraine alone already, we have enough of our problems already to spend billions on that".
On March 07 2014 23:45 Grettin wrote: Don't know whether these have been posted yet, but VICE is also reporting about the situation pretty regularly. Timespan might be bit longer though.
When I walked up Chiisty Istochniki Street from the Memetovas’ house, I saw similar marks on four other houses, all of them residences of Crimean Tatars, Kadyrov said. The houses of their Russian neighbors, however, had not been touched. Similar markings have been reported in other parts of Bakhchysarai, and in some areas of the regional capital, Simferopol. Kadyrov told me that he called the police, who came out see his gate, but they refused to register a case. He was not surprised. “The police will not help us,” he said. “They told me Crimean Tatars are not a priority for them. Of course not—they are punishing us because we do not want Putin here.”
Kadyrov’s Russian neighbors have noticed the markings but dismissed his worries. “Whoever did it was just joking,” one woman, who did not wish to be named, told me. “We get along with our neighbors fine,” she continued. “But it would be helpful if Crimean Tatars stopped supporting Kiev.”
“We are on a verge of losing our culture, our language, our identity,” Yunusov, the senior journalist, told me. And yet, like most of the Crimean Tatars I have interviewed, he believes that the community will be safer if the peninsula remains part of Ukraine. “For us, a European Ukraine is the only way of making sure that we survive as people,” he said. “We need European laws to protect our identity. After what happened in 1944, we can never trust the Russians.”
On March 08 2014 08:27 TJ31 wrote: r (I'm sure there won't be, because no one wants a nuclear war), but at the same time I do hope that someone someday put USA to their place. It probably won't be Russia though, most likelly China in a few (10+) years.
I dont really get this attitude.. Lets say America is as evil as Russia, and lets also say they get away with being evil because they are so powerful. Why would a country that is even less democratic than America, with an even less free press, law system or civil society behave better? We have already seen what happens to country that fall into various spheres of influence, its true that being in America's sphere of influence in Africa or Latin America or some Asian countries was terrible but compare East vs. West Germany or Hungary vs Austria or Poland vs Holland or South Korea vs North Korea or Thailand vs Cambodia. Even the folly of Vietnam was undone by domestic protests in America -- it was literally an election issue that caused the sitting president to not run for a re-election (despite the inherent massive advantage that most sitting presidents have vs a challenger). The soviets on the other hand left Afghanistan only after they ran out of money.
On March 08 2014 08:22 RvB wrote: Do you havr any evidence for Russians who are cheering for Putin? I can hardly believe the average Russian enjoys the prospect of economic sanctions and possibly war for little benefit.
It's not really surprising tho, playing the strong leader in your neighborhood has been a well established strategy in history to deflect from inner conflicts.
On March 08 2014 09:03 oneofthem wrote: lol. if the world consists of china and russia we'll be back in the 1920's or something. 1800's? something like that
Nah, it would be nice though if all the 4-5 big powers kept each other in check, by that I also mean EU and India possibly. Of course it is at the same time somewhat risky proposition, so hard to say.
On March 08 2014 07:06 Ghanburighan wrote: Different location:
On other news:
Lol, listening to Garry Kasparov is probably last thing in this world that you have to do :D I have big respect for his as chess player but not as politician.
Basically it's law not about annexy - it sounds like "If Crimea after referendum chooses Russia, then we can get them as subject". And there are already plans to subside it, so basically Crimea will be like another Tyva or Nothern Caucasus republics - donated regions.
Because of it people in Moscow don't like this idea because we basically pay for it -.-
Moscow people don't pay for anything, it's the oil and gas-rich regions of Russia who do. Would be good for them if they realized it and decided to have an independence referendum.
Lol, listening to Garry Kasparov is probably last thing in this world that you have to do :D I have big respect for his as chess player but not as politician.
Basically it's law not about annexy - it sounds like "If Crimea after referendum chooses Russia, then we can get them as subject". And there are already plans to subside it, so basically Crimea will be like another Tyva or Nothern Caucasus republics - donated regions.
Because of it people in Moscow don't like this idea because we basically pay for it -.-
Moscow people don't pay for anything, it's the oil and gas-rich regions of Russia who do. Would be good for them if they realized it and decided to have an independence referendum.
If I remember, Tatarstan voted to be a sovereign Republic in 1992. But then they made a deal to become like Crimea is in Ukraine, autonomous. Quick, better deploy some Cossacks there in case Ukrainian fascists start fermenting rebellion there like they are in Crimea.
Lol, listening to Garry Kasparov is probably last thing in this world that you have to do :D I have big respect for his as chess player but not as politician.
Basically it's law not about annexy - it sounds like "If Crimea after referendum chooses Russia, then we can get them as subject". And there are already plans to subside it, so basically Crimea will be like another Tyva or Nothern Caucasus republics - donated regions.
Because of it people in Moscow don't like this idea because we basically pay for it -.-
Moscow people don't pay for anything, it's the oil and gas-rich regions of Russia who do. Would be good for them if they realized it and decided to have an independence referendum.
And California is arguably by far the most important state in the USA. Maybe we should have independence too haha XD
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