Ukraine Crisis - Page 216

On March 06 2014 08:16 Sub40APM wrote:

But she has to be in good shape. Like the British spies are.

On March 06 2014 08:08 m4ini wrote:


To be fair: would you go?

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So that's where zeos "junta-stuff" came from i suppose.

On March 06 2014 08:25 radiatoren wrote:

I completely understand her. An american in Crimea at the moment - even if she is a journalist - is in a very dangerous situation, ironically because of the russian branch of her employer...

On March 06 2014 08:17 nunez wrote:


-edit- or rather, it really doean't look like the shield guy was hit from there. you can't even properly see that place from the road next to where he was shot, and he was sitting behind a tree with cover almost perpendicular to that building. maybe possible from the northern most side of it, but it looks way more like the western or north eastern direction.

he was shot from the west or the north east. definately not south east.

it seems like something bounced or flew from the shield and hit the tree as you can see smoke kinda coming from it.
hard to tell if it was from front(north east) or back (westish). kinda looks like the hole bulges inwards to me, which would make it north east, but really hard to tell.

also note how low he is hit, like max a meter over the ground.

On March 06 2014 07:57 Ghanburighan wrote:


Trade with Russia is 10% of total EU trade, 300 billion in net worth, with the balance quite strongly in Russia's favour. Stopping that will push both countries into recessions the likes of which neither can recover from soon. But as the EU economy is 6x larger, and Russia it's only its third largest partner (while the EU is Russia's largest partner), Russia will be hit much harder. Russia would lose 10% of its gdp the second trade stops, and then chaos erupts... But no sane person will consider such drastic sanctions. They will be targeted to hurt the wealthiest in Russia, and even Russia's counter-sanctions are nothing but another siphoning of foreign assets into select oligarch hands which is something that has been occurring frequently recently, and is also rather targeted (think BP investments in Kamchatka).

On March 06 2014 07:47 likeasu wrote:

proof please

On March 06 2014 08:49 hunts wrote:


LMFAO, if only russians would ask this of their own media as well.

On March 06 2014 09:03 Sub40APM wrote:

to be fair to likeasu he has said he wanted people to view all sides for the most objective picture

On March 06 2014 08:49 hunts wrote:


LMFAO, if only russians would ask this of their own media as well.

On March 06 2014 09:05 hunts wrote:


I guess to be fair I do agree with him that I would need proof on such a thing before I would believe it, but it is funny how a lot of russians, even ones on TL jump on the propaganda wagon with 0 proof, and then whenever anything contradicts with them is only when they ask for proof.

The current crisis is not about Crimea. It is about the rights of Russian-speakers throughout Ukraine whom the Kremlin wants to protect from violence and discrimination. Russia does not want a military intervention in Crimea and does not want to take Crimea from Ukraine.

On March 06 2014 08:40 Cheerio wrote:
This video specifically was investigating from where the shots had been fired.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/multimedia/2014/03/140304_snipers_ivshina_ag_ko.shtml

On March 06 2014 08:32 Cheerio wrote:


We can't analyze every bullet shot but from from this video
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/multimedia/2014/02/140220_kyiv_injured_sp.shtml
which was clearly shot from the Ukraine Hotel, we can see that people are using natural obstacles to cover themselves from the side that the road is going, not from north-east side. I guess they knew better where the snipers are.

On March 06 2014 09:08 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:




Let's not be haughty bro. This is rude to some of our fellow forumers and the same is precisely true if not more true about Americans, even in peace-loving, intelligent, liberal California.



http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/why-there-will-be-war-in-ukraine/495740.html

Not a bad speculative write up but silly in many ways (some speculations are ludicrous) by Sergei Markov posted earlier in the thread, but I'm wholly convinced Ukraine is at the forefront a tug-of-war between USA and Russia, and to a lesser degree, EU.

On March 06 2014 09:04 TheRealArtemis wrote:
Has there been any statement from the Estonians regarding the phone call he made with Ashton?

The recording of a telephone conversation between Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and High Representative Catherine Ashton that has been leaked online is authentic.

The conversation between Paet and Ashton took place on 26 February after the Estonian Foreign Minister’s return from his visit to Ukraine. His visit took place last week, soon after the end of street violence in Kiev.

Foreign Minister Paet was giving an overview of what he had heard the previous day in Kiev and expressed concern over the situation on the ground. We reject the claim that Paet was giving an assessment of the opposition’s involvement in the violence.

`It is extremely regrettable that phone calls are being intercepted,’ said Paet. ’The fact that this phone call has been leaked is not a coincidence,’ added Paet.

Foreign Minister Urmas Paet to reporters:
17:03
My phone call Catherine Ashton took place on the 26th of February, the day after my visit to Ukraine. The purpose of the call was to pass on the mood in Kyiv. A day earlier, people had been killed and injured there.
17:04
It is unfortunate that these calls will go to those to whom they should not be included. Distorted versions of the recording have also appeared aimed at discrediting the government of Ukraine. I urge journalists to very carefully consider the recording - I was talking about the versions of what happened circulating in Ukraine.
17:06
I did not give an assessment. Only expressed concern that if the rumors are going to live their own life, it can damage the situation in Ukraine.
17:06
I used for the speech the Foreign Ministry mobile phone. At the moment can not be sure that I have not heard from for more . We currently lack information on how the question could leak .
17:08
We have the corresponding authorities , who are investigating the leak . Perhaps the way the call could leak , does not make sense . One can only speculate as to why the call was placed to the Internet for one week after the meeting, when a new government is in office .
17:09
I have informed Catherine Ashton of the leak , but I assume that she had been informed before .
17:09
I do not know whether they tapped mine or Ashton's phone. I heard about the leak from Postimees journalists.
17:11
It is now a need to tighten security measures , it is the task of other agencies .
17:12
This record is likely to be used in order to discredit the new Ukrainian government. I categorically do not agree with that. Maidan crimes require investigation and the perpetrators should receive the punishment.
17:14
Phone , which I talked to Ashton , I was accompanied by Ukraine. I use the iPhone 4 phone , but it is by no means clear that the leakage is linked to my phone.
17:18
Olga ( Olga Bogomolets) Was the chief of the medical service at Maidan .
17:19
I have no reason to believe that we should use other communication solutions instead of phone calls.
17:20
To find out what really took place in Kyiv , an investigation is need. I believe that many people want to have an independent investigation of what happened in Ukraine.
17:21
Thank you , good night .
Source.

On March 06 2014 09:25 Ghanburighan wrote:

17:12
This record is likely to be used in order to discredit the new Ukrainian government. I categorically do not agree with that. Maidan crimes require investigation and the perpetrators should receive the punishment.
17:14
Phone , which I talked to Ashton , I was accompanied by Ukraine. I use the iPhone 4 phone , but it is by no means clear that the leakage is linked to my phone.
17:18
Olga ( Olga Bogomolets) Was the chief of the medical service at Maidan .
17:19
I have no reason to believe that we should use other communication solutions instead of phone calls.
17:20
To find out what really took place in Kyiv , an investigation is need. I believe that many people want to have an independent investigation of what happened in Ukraine.
17:21
Thank you , good night .
Source.