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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:08 SilentchiLL wrote: So you're saying that nobody in the NATO would act, except america, based on something that happened 100 years ago when the NATO didn't even exist, when there were only a few countries involved and when a monarchy instead of a democracy ruled britain? Please stop posting ill-informed opinions as facts. You want recent history? Let's talk about Georgia. This idea that NATO will do something, is based on theory, based on the ideas on a piece of paper. And it is ignorant. It isn't based on history, and it has certainly never been tested to this degree. Regardless, Ukraine isn't in NATO. And Europe is dismissing this the same they dismissed Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia. They are talking about solving this through diplomacy. It is just laughable. The immediate response should have been pouring troops into Ukraine. Then, and only then, Putin would have backed off. Speaking of ill-informed opinions as fact. 2014 - 1939 does not equal 100 years. And there were a lot of countries involved in the events leading up to WW2. Poland, France, the Soviet Union and Germany were all involved diplomatically or military in the invasion of Poland. There isn't any more major players involved now in this crisis either. Sure every little country has given their opinion, but there are only a few major players. And I'm not even sure will America will act. | ||
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Netto.
Poland523 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:26 Alzadar wrote: Pretty standard for militaries to prepare for things that pretty certainly won't happen. I wonder what would you say if u were down here pretty damn close to the action. We (Polish) have lived that through once already in history so it is obivous that our militaries want to prepare for the worst. And stop being a dick please, | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9333 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:31 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: There is only one but relativly big and good thing about this conflict, Putin forced ukrainian people to unite more, from east to west, which wasn't that easy while Maidan... What do you think of the guys Kyiv has appointed as leaders in the East? Are you relatively happy with them or prefer some other leaders? | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:32 Netto. wrote: I wonder what would you say if u were down here pretty damn close to the action. We (Polish) have lived that through once already in history so it is obivous that our militaries want to prepare for the worst. And stop being a dick please, Being a dick, what? | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:35 Sent. wrote: Why would russia invade ukraine? Because of Crimea and their naval bases? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
Nick Robinson Political editor tweets: BREAKING Government will not curb trade with Russia or close London's financial centre to Russians an official document reveal | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:20 Sub40APM wrote: Its all a Western plot, I knew it. Democracy always has such a dirty Western bias and must be prevented at all costs. Please, tell me more about how you brought democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan and Lybia. And tell me how is democracy working out for you? Every x years (don't know where you live), you get the chance to vote for one out of two parties. Both will do basically the same thing, except for a couple of unimportant issues. You really don't get a say about anyting. We are pretty far away from the greek (or athenian) democracy. On March 04 2014 03:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The Polish military seems to think so. Or at least preparing for the possibility. Perhaps you know something they don't know? I am making the assumption that Russia wouldn't be as stupid as invading a country that is right next to Germany... lol | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:39 Sub40APM wrote: What a surprise, the English prefer laundering Putin's money than defending an emerging democracy's borders. The EU response so far is deeply depressing. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:28 m4ini wrote: Not so much if we're talking relocation to the borders, they didn't just "alert" the troops, which indeed happens on occasion. Poland fought with Russia over Ukraine in the past. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:31 BronzeKnee wrote: You want recent history? Let's talk about Georgia. This idea that NATO will do something, is based on theory, based on the ideas on a piece of paper is ignorant. It isn't based on history. Regardless, Ukraine isn't in NATO. And Europe is dismissing this the same they dismissed Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia. They are talking about solving this through diplomacy. The NATO had no guarantees for protecting Georgia in case one of their military gambles misfires and they suddenly have to face the result of their own attacks. It was an georgian offensive, that attacked separatist AND Russian (UN) peacekeepers... Yeah, looks like Georgia wasn't the only ones with am army around the corner... Even though the buildup of the whole scenario was quite set up, still, it was Georgia who gambled... and lost. They had requested guarantees by the west before and did not get them... So thinking, if they present facts, they would suddenly get help... yeah... smart ones. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
Peace in our time brah. It worked, oh so well. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:40 Saumure wrote: Please, tell me more about how you brought democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan and Lybia. How about Poland, Czehia, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia instead? And tell me how is democracy working out for you? Every x years (don't know where you live), you get the chance to vote for one out of two parties. Both will do basically the same thing, except for a couple of unimportant issues. You really don't get a say about anyting. And however shitty it is, its still better than the one party, one tsar state built by Russians. | ||
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Netto.
Poland523 Posts
I said it to people being ironic about people worrying that Russia might invade Poland, not directly to you, sorry. I simply have no idea how did you imagine Polish reaction to all that stuff happening around other than preparing for invasion. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:37 Sub40APM wrote: What do you think of the guys Kyiv has appointed as leaders in the East? Are you relatively happy with them or prefer some other leaders? We don't know about this new "managers" a lot, but hoping for things gonna be better. Anyhow, they need some time. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On March 04 2014 03:42 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: According to YLE news Putin was seen at watching war training at Kirillovsk military base. Its in old finland and used to be part of Finland before Winter War. http://yle.fi/uutiset/putin_seurasi_sotaharjoitusta_lahella_viipuria__video/7118083 1800 solders, 30 tanks and some aircrafts. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
The EU knows, that in the long term one more bunker to defend a cheese and then turn it into a macrogame is the way to win, as superior player... Countercheesing can occasionally go horribly wrong. And the Russian economy is on a suicide mission against the EU... | ||
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