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The guy dodged the question regarding svoboda guys in the new government :[
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i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run
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I and others assumed wrongly that Putin, as a rational actor, would not take that gamble. Instead he reverted to stereotype. “All you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about [Russia] is to be an utter pessimist,” writes Julia Ioffe.
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Time will tell how the Ukraine street responds to Putin. He is banking on a Georgian answer, that shock and awe will dissuade Ukrainians—their forces no match for Russia’s—from engaging in a drawn-out conflict such as Moscow faced in Chechnya, or any conflict at all.
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In this sense, Putin’s brinksmanship is short-sighted. He has already squandered the good feelings earned at the Sochi Olympics. If Kiev keeps to its independent course, he will possess another spit of territory in a foreign land, perhaps with added strips of eastern Ukraine, as well, if his men keep marching. But he will lose the heartland of Kiev to the West, and perhaps end up in a bloody new guerrilla conflict.
http://qz.com/182964/how-putin-surprised-the-world-in-ukraine-after-losing-the-war/
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Ukraine's military is not really that inferior to Russia's unless Russia brings a larger part of its army to bear and invades more than the Crimea, which would be a big war that Russia does not want. Russia is betting that the Ukraine and the West will be too pussy to do anything about it. The West maybe (at least until the next US president, either Hilary or any Republican will remember the US is stronger than Russia and act like it) but I don't think the Ukraine is going to back down.
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On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run
What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian.
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Indeed, it seems reckless of Putin; if he wanted to send troops into Ukraine, all he had to do was push for a UN peacekeeping mission to Ukraine; wherein Russia would naturally do a fair part of the work.
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On March 02 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +I and others assumed wrongly that Putin, as a rational actor, would not take that gamble. Instead he reverted to stereotype. “All you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about [Russia] is to be an utter pessimist,” writes Julia Ioffe.
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Time will tell how the Ukraine street responds to Putin. He is banking on a Georgian answer, that shock and awe will dissuade Ukrainians—their forces no match for Russia’s—from engaging in a drawn-out conflict such as Moscow faced in Chechnya, or any conflict at all.
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In this sense, Putin’s brinksmanship is short-sighted. He has already squandered the good feelings earned at the Sochi Olympics. If Kiev keeps to its independent course, he will possess another spit of territory in a foreign land, perhaps with added strips of eastern Ukraine, as well, if his men keep marching. But he will lose the heartland of Kiev to the West, and perhaps end up in a bloody new guerrilla conflict. http://qz.com/182964/how-putin-surprised-the-world-in-ukraine-after-losing-the-war/
Oh look, another blog/opinion piece by a propaganda writer for Foreign Policy. Yawn
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On March 02 2014 07:17 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian.
so BBC made this up?
reason?
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On March 02 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +I and others assumed wrongly that Putin, as a rational actor, would not take that gamble. Instead he reverted to stereotype. “All you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about [Russia] is to be an utter pessimist,” writes Julia Ioffe.
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Time will tell how the Ukraine street responds to Putin. He is banking on a Georgian answer, that shock and awe will dissuade Ukrainians—their forces no match for Russia’s—from engaging in a drawn-out conflict such as Moscow faced in Chechnya, or any conflict at all.
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In this sense, Putin’s brinksmanship is short-sighted. He has already squandered the good feelings earned at the Sochi Olympics. If Kiev keeps to its independent course, he will possess another spit of territory in a foreign land, perhaps with added strips of eastern Ukraine, as well, if his men keep marching. But he will lose the heartland of Kiev to the West, and perhaps end up in a bloody new guerrilla conflict. http://qz.com/182964/how-putin-surprised-the-world-in-ukraine-after-losing-the-war/
How is Putin not being rational? Obama is showing a lot of weakness. The EU has never had to a spine to begin with.
He massed an army on the border. The west did nothing
He moved a small group of troops in. The west said he was a bad boy
He got approval from the government to invade. The west did nothing
Ofc he just walks across the border. No one showed to oppose him.
And he doesn't care what the western Ukraine thinks of him now if it gives him east Ukraine. Esp since he would lose both if he does nothing.
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he's not saying BBC made it up, he's saying the guy talking to them was faking his identity; for a Russian you don't seem to have a very good sense of espionage. It's a basic move to pretend to be on an opposing side and act extreme to discredit them.
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On March 02 2014 07:18 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:17 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian. so BBC made this up? reason?
I dont know, you are the guy is using a video of a Russian guy speaking perfect Russian threatening Russians to 'prove' that Ukraine is in the grip of Nazis. I am sure zeo will be able to provide you with a reasonable explanation soon. Something like Western-Nazi conspiracy to EXTERMINATE all Russians by using perfectly accented Russian super spies. Take it away zeo, remember at least two photoshops at once.
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Sergeyev (Ukraine) to the press:
We are not in war with Russia. We are being provoked. The move into Crimea was prepared long before Russia made the move. They are not protecting russians but russian-speaking people.
Consultation with new ukrainian government from Russia is needed. Yanukovych cannot act as president.
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On March 02 2014 07:22 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:I and others assumed wrongly that Putin, as a rational actor, would not take that gamble. Instead he reverted to stereotype. “All you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about [Russia] is to be an utter pessimist,” writes Julia Ioffe.
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Time will tell how the Ukraine street responds to Putin. He is banking on a Georgian answer, that shock and awe will dissuade Ukrainians—their forces no match for Russia’s—from engaging in a drawn-out conflict such as Moscow faced in Chechnya, or any conflict at all.
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In this sense, Putin’s brinksmanship is short-sighted. He has already squandered the good feelings earned at the Sochi Olympics. If Kiev keeps to its independent course, he will possess another spit of territory in a foreign land, perhaps with added strips of eastern Ukraine, as well, if his men keep marching. But he will lose the heartland of Kiev to the West, and perhaps end up in a bloody new guerrilla conflict. http://qz.com/182964/how-putin-surprised-the-world-in-ukraine-after-losing-the-war/ How is Putin not being rational? Obama is showing a lot of weakness. The EU has never had to a spine to begin with. He massed an army on the border. The west did nothing He moved a small group of troops in. The west said he was a bad boy He got approval from the government to invade. The west did nothing Ofc he just walks across the border. No one showed to oppose him. And he doesn't care what the western Ukraine thinks of him now if it gives him east Ukraine. Esp since he would lose both if he does nothing.
gas pipeline to the EU flows through West Ukraine, bad news for Gazprom, good news for Qatar. any attempt to put a Russian-supported guy into Kiev now will always fail, and EU could keep the Russians from visiting London and Switzerland and there goes a lot of their wealth. And in exchange he gets: a bunch of rust belt industries he doesnt need, a bunch of incredibly poor people and some coal mines. Doesnt seem much of a victory to me.
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On March 02 2014 03:53 kukarachaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost. I don't think Ukraine government should worry about Crimea ( it is all but gone ), they made many silly mistakes when they came to power antagonizing Russian - Ukrainians. Their problems are much bigger than that, right now there are protests all over Eastern Ukraine, people taking down Ukrainian flags putting Russian flags up. Western Ukraine cannot survive without the East alone, all the factories, all the production, most the economy is in the East. If they can't control it, they won't stay in power. like what? The cancellation of the language law? Acting President Turchynov vetoed the Parliament decision the next day. Anything else?
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On March 02 2014 07:23 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:18 PaleMan wrote:On March 02 2014 07:17 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian. so BBC made this up? reason? I dont know, you are the guy is using a video of a Russian guy speaking perfect Russian threatening Russians to 'prove' that Ukraine is in the grip of Nazis. I am sure zeo will be able to provide you with a reasonable explanation soon. Something like Western-Nazi conspiracy to EXTERMINATE all Russians by using perfectly accented Russian super spies. Take it away zeo, remember at least two photoshops at once.
so basically you are trying to say there were no nazis at Maidan
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Mr. Yarosh didn't adress Doku Umarov?
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On March 02 2014 07:26 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:22 Gorsameth wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:I and others assumed wrongly that Putin, as a rational actor, would not take that gamble. Instead he reverted to stereotype. “All you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about [Russia] is to be an utter pessimist,” writes Julia Ioffe.
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Time will tell how the Ukraine street responds to Putin. He is banking on a Georgian answer, that shock and awe will dissuade Ukrainians—their forces no match for Russia’s—from engaging in a drawn-out conflict such as Moscow faced in Chechnya, or any conflict at all.
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In this sense, Putin’s brinksmanship is short-sighted. He has already squandered the good feelings earned at the Sochi Olympics. If Kiev keeps to its independent course, he will possess another spit of territory in a foreign land, perhaps with added strips of eastern Ukraine, as well, if his men keep marching. But he will lose the heartland of Kiev to the West, and perhaps end up in a bloody new guerrilla conflict. http://qz.com/182964/how-putin-surprised-the-world-in-ukraine-after-losing-the-war/ How is Putin not being rational? Obama is showing a lot of weakness. The EU has never had to a spine to begin with. He massed an army on the border. The west did nothing He moved a small group of troops in. The west said he was a bad boy He got approval from the government to invade. The west did nothing Ofc he just walks across the border. No one showed to oppose him. And he doesn't care what the western Ukraine thinks of him now if it gives him east Ukraine. Esp since he would lose both if he does nothing. gas pipeline to the EU flows through West Ukraine, bad news for Gazprom, good news for Qatar. any attempt to put a Russian-supported guy into Kiev now will always fail, and EU could keep the Russians from visiting London and Switzerland and there goes a lot of their wealth. And in exchange he gets: a bunch of rust belt industries he doesnt need, a bunch of incredibly poor people and some coal mines. Doesnt seem much of a victory to me.
http://www.nord-stream.com/
gg no re
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On March 02 2014 07:27 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:23 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:18 PaleMan wrote:On March 02 2014 07:17 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian. so BBC made this up? reason? I dont know, you are the guy is using a video of a Russian guy speaking perfect Russian threatening Russians to 'prove' that Ukraine is in the grip of Nazis. I am sure zeo will be able to provide you with a reasonable explanation soon. Something like Western-Nazi conspiracy to EXTERMINATE all Russians by using perfectly accented Russian super spies. Take it away zeo, remember at least two photoshops at once. so basically you are trying to say there were no nazis at Maidan and Mr. Yarosh didn't adress Doku Umarov?
There are as many nazis on maidan as there are in Russia. The people who won the maidan are the common people. even your BBC video says so -- if youd bothered to listen to it. And most of us in the civilized world dont rely on photoshops of social network sites as evidence of contact.
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On March 02 2014 07:28 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:26 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:22 Gorsameth wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:I and others assumed wrongly that Putin, as a rational actor, would not take that gamble. Instead he reverted to stereotype. “All you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about [Russia] is to be an utter pessimist,” writes Julia Ioffe.
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Time will tell how the Ukraine street responds to Putin. He is banking on a Georgian answer, that shock and awe will dissuade Ukrainians—their forces no match for Russia’s—from engaging in a drawn-out conflict such as Moscow faced in Chechnya, or any conflict at all.
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In this sense, Putin’s brinksmanship is short-sighted. He has already squandered the good feelings earned at the Sochi Olympics. If Kiev keeps to its independent course, he will possess another spit of territory in a foreign land, perhaps with added strips of eastern Ukraine, as well, if his men keep marching. But he will lose the heartland of Kiev to the West, and perhaps end up in a bloody new guerrilla conflict. http://qz.com/182964/how-putin-surprised-the-world-in-ukraine-after-losing-the-war/ How is Putin not being rational? Obama is showing a lot of weakness. The EU has never had to a spine to begin with. He massed an army on the border. The west did nothing He moved a small group of troops in. The west said he was a bad boy He got approval from the government to invade. The west did nothing Ofc he just walks across the border. No one showed to oppose him. And he doesn't care what the western Ukraine thinks of him now if it gives him east Ukraine. Esp since he would lose both if he does nothing. gas pipeline to the EU flows through West Ukraine, bad news for Gazprom, good news for Qatar. any attempt to put a Russian-supported guy into Kiev now will always fail, and EU could keep the Russians from visiting London and Switzerland and there goes a lot of their wealth. And in exchange he gets: a bunch of rust belt industries he doesnt need, a bunch of incredibly poor people and some coal mines. Doesnt seem much of a victory to me. http://www.nord-stream.com/gg no re
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Major_russian_gas_pipelines_to_europe.png
Whats more, 4 pipes or 1?
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On March 02 2014 07:31 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:27 PaleMan wrote:On March 02 2014 07:23 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:18 PaleMan wrote:On March 02 2014 07:17 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian. so BBC made this up? reason? I dont know, you are the guy is using a video of a Russian guy speaking perfect Russian threatening Russians to 'prove' that Ukraine is in the grip of Nazis. I am sure zeo will be able to provide you with a reasonable explanation soon. Something like Western-Nazi conspiracy to EXTERMINATE all Russians by using perfectly accented Russian super spies. Take it away zeo, remember at least two photoshops at once. so basically you are trying to say there were no nazis at Maidan and Mr. Yarosh didn't adress Doku Umarov? There are as many nazis on maidan as there are in Russia. The people who won the maidan are the common people. even your BBC video says so -- if youd bothered to listen to it. And most of us in the civilized world dont rely on photoshops of social network sites as evidence of contact.
people definitely did not win at Maidan
some thiefs, terrorists, nazis and oligarch's puppets won - yes
ukrainian ppl lost badly
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On March 02 2014 07:34 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 07:31 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:27 PaleMan wrote:On March 02 2014 07:23 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:18 PaleMan wrote:On March 02 2014 07:17 Sub40APM wrote:On March 02 2014 07:12 PaleMan wrote:
i think this BBC video that acknowledges there were nazis amongs maidan protesters is a sign that so called "free world" will not interfere with russian plans
i think you, Cheerio and your little nazi friends should run What kind of Ukrainian Nazis would speak to a reporter in pure, accent-less Russian? At least be smart like zeo, he finds Ukrainian Nazis actually speaking in Ukrainian. so BBC made this up? reason? I dont know, you are the guy is using a video of a Russian guy speaking perfect Russian threatening Russians to 'prove' that Ukraine is in the grip of Nazis. I am sure zeo will be able to provide you with a reasonable explanation soon. Something like Western-Nazi conspiracy to EXTERMINATE all Russians by using perfectly accented Russian super spies. Take it away zeo, remember at least two photoshops at once. so basically you are trying to say there were no nazis at Maidan and Mr. Yarosh didn't adress Doku Umarov? There are as many nazis on maidan as there are in Russia. The people who won the maidan are the common people. even your BBC video says so -- if youd bothered to listen to it. And most of us in the civilized world dont rely on photoshops of social network sites as evidence of contact. people definitely did not win at Maidan some thiefs, terrorists, nazis and oligarch's puppets won - yes ukrainian ppl lost badly
Yes. Everyone knows that thiefs, terorrists, nazis and oligarchs puppets love to dive under bullets in order to have elections. Those criminals, and their weird need not to be like Russia with the most glorious and handsome Czar.
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