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Potling
Norway298 Posts
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Dogfoodboy16
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:13 Dogfoodboy16 wrote: Most people don't realize that rapists are in away victims themselves because they have been sexually abused in their childhood. This makes them more likely to rape because it already seems commonplace. In all likelihood, a rapist is not going to be raised in a intact, caring family environment. Are you actually writing a thesis for university? (you mentioned writing a thesis in the OP) Because most of what you say seems shockingly opinionated. On November 08 2013 07:01 Potling wrote: OP reminds me of this: http://angryharry.com/esChastityBelts.htm?note Do you really want to be associated with that website? | ||
Potling
Norway298 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:20 Grumbels wrote: Do you really want to be associated with that website? That would be a logical fallacy, so I don't mind. Edit: Heh, noticed both of your responses have the same essence: "Wow, are you really daring to diverge from political correctness?" | ||
Dogfoodboy16
364 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:20 Grumbels wrote: Are you actually writing a thesis for university? (you mentioned writing a thesis in the OP) Because most of what you say seems shockingly opinionated. Do you really want to be associated with that website? I have to write persuasive argument for my Psychology 320 class (Logic & Critical Reasoning) defending a subject that is universally condemned. Other students in my class are writing papers in defense of drunk driving, annulment of welfare, etc. I was assigned the topic of date rape and am attempting to collect feedback from users in order to adjust my my argument accordingly. | ||
Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:50 Dogfoodboy16 wrote: I have to write persuasive argument for my Psychology 320 class (Logic & Critical Reasoning) defending a subject that is universally condemned. Other student in my class are writing papers in defense of drunk driving, annulment of welfare, etc. I was assigned the topic of date rape and am attempting to collect feedback from users in order to adjust my my argument accordingly. ...so you have to write a paper in defense of date rape? lol? | ||
Dogfoodboy16
364 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:53 Grumbels wrote: ...so you have to write a paper in defense of date rape? lol? Sure wasent my idea. | ||
packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On November 08 2013 05:50 Zealos wrote: I'm not convinced. I can't speak for American girls, obviously, but I think you can tell if a girl /really/ wants something, kinda wants something, is willing to do something, and is outright against it. EDIT: Though, granted, the sluttiness issue is a really big problem too I think its pretty risky of you to base that kind of decision off of your ability to gauge how into it she is. Human interaction is complicated and there is a lot of room for error, | ||
HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 08 2013 05:48 ComaDose wrote: i don't think we can blame that on the girls tho Are girls only victims now? Who do you think call girls sluts? It is at least equal between men and women, and I would wager that women are more vicious with the verbal abuse when it comes to calling other women sluts. To pretend that women have no place in changing society and that men are the only ones to blame - that men are the sole cause and only perpetuators of sexist behaviour and attitude - will get you nowhere. This thread has been a very interesting read overall. I feel that I want to chime in on the discussion about what women should and shouldn't wear. In an ideal world women should be able to wear anything and nothing and not get raped, but we don't live in an ideal world. Cautioning women that they should not wear provocatice clothing in precarious situations is not the same as blaming them for dressing that way if and when they do get raped. I think there's a disconnect in feminist discourse here where they cannot recognize that the woman might have made stupid choices and inadvertedly gotten punished for it. The argument that it shouldn't have mattered doesn't hold water when it does matter. It's the same thing as me cautioning my friend from walking through a rough neighbourhood at night. It seems like a bad idea because both of us know people get beat up or mugged there a lot, yet my friend still decides to go there. Is my friend stupid? Most certainly. Does that mean my friend is to blame for being the victim of a crime? Of course not, he should have been able to walk through that neighbourhood unharmed and not have to worry. It's all about making smart decisions. Closing your eyes and saying you shouldn't have to make smart decisions because you want the world to be different doesn't make the world different. A good argument against this would be that provocative clothing doesn't lead to a hightened risk of rape. I don't have any statistics on the issue so I can't know what way reality spins. It seems likely to me that more provocative clothing does entice a potential rapist to commit rape and thus leads to an increased risk for the woman, in which case cautioning against it, especially in settings where the risk is percieved as high, makes sense. The "don't wear provocative clothing" cautioning isn't an excuse to stop the long term work with changing society for the better. And indeed many people do blame the victim by saying she shouldn't have been wearing this or that, or been at that place or gotten that drunk. The fact of the matter is, though, that cautioning against it before hand is not victim blaming but a pragmatic approach to the reality we live in. A reality we can change, but not a reality we can ignore because we want to. I want to end by reminding everyone that changing the society we live in involves not only men but women as well. If we don't work together and look at things as a whole we will get nowhere. | ||
Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:13 Dogfoodboy16 wrote: Most people don't realize that rapists are in away victims themselves because they have been sexually abused in their childhood. This makes them more likely to rape because it already seems commonplace. In all likelihood, a rapist is not going to be raised in a intact, caring family environment. I highly doubt the percentage of perpetrators that have been sexually abused themselves is going to be very high. So I tried to find statistics. Turns out I was right and its only about 10%. | ||
xM(Z
Romania5277 Posts
use the deterministic agenda/reasoning/logic then link it with driven-by-subconscious behaviors to show how girls want rape happen to them. after that, take a stab at what could trigger such behavior/the reasons behind it: self esteem issues, daddy issues, abuse issues, not giving a fuck issues, then you have the complexes of the ego and so on and so forth. deterministic mechanisms have been linked mostly with people performing an action (perpetrator/aggressor)and less with people having actions performed on them (victim). if determinism triggers sadism then determinism has to also trigger masochism. | ||
Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 08:09 HellRoxYa wrote: Are girls only victims now? Who do you think call girls sluts? It is at least equal between men and women, and I would wager that women are more vicious with the verbal abuse when it comes to calling other women sluts. To pretend that women have no place in changing society and that men are the only ones to blame - that men are the sole cause and only perpetuators of sexist behaviour and attitude - will get you nowhere. This thread has been a very interesting read overall. I feel that I want to chime in on the discussion about what women should and shouldn't wear. In an ideal world women should be able to wear anything and nothing and not get raped, but we don't live in an ideal world. Cautioning women that they should not wear provocatice clothing in precarious situations is not the same as blaming them for dressing that way if and when they do get raped. I think there's a disconnect in feminist discourse here where they cannot recognize that the woman might have made stupid choices and inadvertedly gotten punished for it. The argument that it shouldn't have mattered doesn't hold water when it does matter. It's the same thing as me cautioning my friend from walking through a rough neighbourhood at night. It seems like a bad idea because both of us know people get beat up or mugged there a lot, yet my friend still decides to go there. Is my friend stupid? Most certainly. Does that mean my friend is to blame for being the victim of a crime? Of course not, he should have been able to walk through that neighbourhood unharmed and not have to worry. It's all about making smart decisions. Closing your eyes and saying you shouldn't have to make smart decisions because you want the world to be different doesn't make the world different. A good argument against this would be that provocative clothing doesn't lead to a hightened risk of rape. I don't have any statistics on the issue so I can't know what way reality spins. It seems likely to me that more provocative clothing does entice a potential rapist to commit rape and thus leads to an increased risk for the woman, in which case cautioning against it, especially in settings where the risk is percieved as high, makes sense. The "don't wear provocative clothing" cautioning isn't an excuse to stop the long term work with changing society for the better. And indeed many people do blame the victim by saying she shouldn't have been wearing this or that, or been at that place or gotten that drunk. The fact of the matter is, though, that cautioning against it before hand is not victim blaming but a pragmatic approach to the reality we live in. A reality we can change, but not a reality we can ignore because we want to. I want to end by reminding everyone that changing the society we live in involves not only men but women as well. If we don't work together and look at things as a whole we will get nowhere. What a person wears should never be up for debate. I will not punish someone who has been robbed for having things much like I would never punish someone who has been raped for having clothes. | ||
Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On November 08 2013 08:17 xM(Z wrote: @Dogfoodboy16 use the deterministic agenda/reasoning/logic then link it with driven-by-subconscious behaviors to show how girls want rape happen to them. after that, take a stab at what could trigger such behavior/the reasons behind it: self esteem issues, daddy issues, abuse issues, not giving a fuck issues, then you have the complexes of the ego and so on and so forth. deterministic mechanisms have been linked mostly with people performing an action (perpetrator/aggressor)and less with people having actions performed on them (victim). if determinism triggers sadism then determinism has to also trigger masochism. I don't get this at all. What are deteministic mechanisms? | ||
HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 08 2013 08:20 Thieving Magpie wrote: What a person wears should never be up for debate. I will not punish someone who has been robbed for having things much like I would never punish someone who has been raped for having clothes. You don't say? Where exactly did you read about me wanting to punish the victims of crimes? Edit: Or were you perhaps just making a general statement unrelated to what I was saying? | ||
farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On November 08 2013 08:27 farvacola wrote: Deterministic mechanisms would be the dynamics by which rape occurs that are unrelated to individual agency, i.e. previous trauma leading to sadomasochistic tendencies. In other words, they serve as a sort of apologetics. Thanks, makes sense. This is shaping up to be quite a sinister academic work. | ||
[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On November 08 2013 07:47 Potling wrote: That would be a logical fallacy, so I don't mind. Edit: Heh, noticed both of your responses have the same essence: "Wow, are you really daring to diverge from political correctness?" thx bro, had a great laugh at the website. angry harry mustve been hurt very badly in his teens | ||
Dogfoodboy16
364 Posts
On November 08 2013 08:17 xM(Z wrote: @Dogfoodboy16 use the deterministic agenda/reasoning/logic then link it with driven-by-subconscious behaviors to show how girls want rape happen to them. after that, take a stab at what could trigger such behavior/the reasons behind it: self esteem issues, daddy issues, abuse issues, not giving a fuck issues, then you have the complexes of the ego and so on and so forth. deterministic mechanisms have been linked mostly with people performing an action (perpetrator/aggressor)and less with people having actions performed on them (victim). if determinism triggers sadism then determinism has to also trigger masochism. So far in my paper i have proposed the following: Women's erotic placidity much more different than a mans. By studies conducted measuring genital blood flow, men inherently know what turns them on a women don't. In women there is often a split between how the body is responding to a stimulus and what she reports to her brain consciously. Not that she lying to herself but that her ability to gauge how her body is responding to sexual encounters is unreliable. I talk about how memory is reconstructed in the brain not stored. Date rape cases are primarily composed of a womens memory of what happen during the event. If a women is drugged with a date rape pill, claims she was raped, but have no psychical evidence of the encounter, their is reasonable doubt that her memory was compromised and is too vague to create a criminal case against the alleged culprit. Right now I am writing about how little date rape is reported to authorities. Mabye they consciously or unconsciously desire to be date raped. Maybe sometime during the altercation they change their mind. After that I am researching on how sex is more of a social experience than reproductive experience for humans and how women falsely claiming to be raped can gravely impact an innocents mans life. | ||
farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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Like a Boss
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