Anti Rape Underwear - Page 17

On November 08 2013 07:13 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Most people don't realize that rapists are in away victims themselves because they have been sexually abused in their childhood. This makes them more likely to rape because it already seems commonplace. In all likelihood, a rapist is not going to be raised in a intact, caring family environment.

On November 08 2013 07:01 Potling wrote:
OP reminds me of this: http://angryharry.com/esChastityBelts.htm?note

On November 08 2013 07:20 Grumbels wrote:

Do you really want to be associated with that website?

On November 08 2013 07:20 Grumbels wrote:

Are you actually writing a thesis for university? (you mentioned writing a thesis in the OP)

Because most of what you say seems shockingly opinionated.


Do you really want to be associated with that website?

On November 08 2013 07:50 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:


I have to write persuasive argument for my Psychology 320 class (Logic & Critical Reasoning) defending a subject that is universally condemned. Other student in my class are writing papers in defense of drunk driving, annulment of welfare, etc. I was assigned the topic of date rape and am attempting to collect feedback from users in order to adjust my my argument accordingly.

On November 08 2013 07:53 Grumbels wrote:

...so you have to write a paper in defense of date rape? lol?

On November 08 2013 05:50 Zealos wrote:

I'm not convinced. I can't speak for American girls, obviously, but I think you can tell if a girl /really/ wants something, kinda wants something, is willing to do something, and is outright against it.
EDIT: Though, granted, the sluttiness issue is a really big problem too

On November 08 2013 05:48 ComaDose wrote:

i don't think we can blame that on the girls tho

On November 08 2013 07:13 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Most people don't realize that rapists are in away victims themselves because they have been sexually abused in their childhood. This makes them more likely to rape because it already seems commonplace. In all likelihood, a rapist is not going to be raised in a intact, caring family environment.

On November 08 2013 08:09 HellRoxYa wrote:


Are girls only victims now? Who do you think call girls sluts? It is at least equal between men and women, and I would wager that women are more vicious with the verbal abuse when it comes to calling other women sluts. To pretend that women have no place in changing society and that men are the only ones to blame - that men are the sole cause and only perpetuators of sexist behaviour and attitude - will get you nowhere.



This thread has been a very interesting read overall. I feel that I want to chime in on the discussion about what women should and shouldn't wear. In an ideal world women should be able to wear anything and nothing and not get raped, but we don't live in an ideal world. Cautioning women that they should not wear provocatice clothing in precarious situations is not the same as blaming them for dressing that way if and when they do get raped. I think there's a disconnect in feminist discourse here where they cannot recognize that the woman might have made stupid choices and inadvertedly gotten punished for it. The argument that it shouldn't have mattered doesn't hold water when it does matter. It's the same thing as me cautioning my friend from walking through a rough neighbourhood at night. It seems like a bad idea because both of us know people get beat up or mugged there a lot, yet my friend still decides to go there. Is my friend stupid? Most certainly. Does that mean my friend is to blame for being the victim of a crime? Of course not, he should have been able to walk through that neighbourhood unharmed and not have to worry. It's all about making smart decisions. Closing your eyes and saying you shouldn't have to make smart decisions because you want the world to be different doesn't make the world different.

A good argument against this would be that provocative clothing doesn't lead to a hightened risk of rape. I don't have any statistics on the issue so I can't know what way reality spins. It seems likely to me that more provocative clothing does entice a potential rapist to commit rape and thus leads to an increased risk for the woman, in which case cautioning against it, especially in settings where the risk is percieved as high, makes sense.

The "don't wear provocative clothing" cautioning isn't an excuse to stop the long term work with changing society for the better. And indeed many people do blame the victim by saying she shouldn't have been wearing this or that, or been at that place or gotten that drunk. The fact of the matter is, though, that cautioning against it before hand is not victim blaming but a pragmatic approach to the reality we live in. A reality we can change, but not a reality we can ignore because we want to. I want to end by reminding everyone that changing the society we live in involves not only men but women as well. If we don't work together and look at things as a whole we will get nowhere.

On November 08 2013 08:17 xM(Z wrote:
@Dogfoodboy16
use the deterministic agenda/reasoning/logic then link it with driven-by-subconscious behaviors to show how girls want rape happen to them.
after that, take a stab at what could trigger such behavior/the reasons behind it: self esteem issues, daddy issues, abuse issues, not giving a fuck issues, then you have the complexes of the ego and so on and so forth.

deterministic mechanisms have been linked mostly with people performing an action (perpetrator/aggressor)and less with people having actions performed on them (victim).
if determinism triggers sadism then determinism has to also trigger masochism.

On November 08 2013 08:20 Thieving Magpie wrote:


What a person wears should never be up for debate. I will not punish someone who has been robbed for having things much like I would never punish someone who has been raped for having clothes.

On November 08 2013 08:27 farvacola wrote:
Deterministic mechanisms would be the dynamics by which rape occurs that are unrelated to individual agency, i.e. previous trauma leading to sadomasochistic tendencies. In other words, they serve as a sort of apologetics.

On November 08 2013 08:17 xM(Z wrote:
@Dogfoodboy16
use the deterministic agenda/reasoning/logic then link it with driven-by-subconscious behaviors to show how girls want rape happen to them.
after that, take a stab at what could trigger such behavior/the reasons behind it: self esteem issues, daddy issues, abuse issues, not giving a fuck issues, then you have the complexes of the ego and so on and so forth.

deterministic mechanisms have been linked mostly with people performing an action (perpetrator/aggressor)and less with people having actions performed on them (victim).
if determinism triggers sadism then determinism has to also trigger masochism.