Core Professional Gaming a scam? - Page 2

On August 07 2013 00:27 rei wrote:
Nanocloud is not ganna GG, he still have the trust of his friends and they joined Core gaming together for his next heist

On August 12 2013 01:33 teddyoojo wrote:
why the fuck do we need this bullshit, i havent seen a single person "THAT GOT SCAMMED" say so, only some guy that apparently has way to much freetime


seriously WHY THE FUCK is the only question i have for this.

On August 12 2013 01:10 [Core] Neurotic wrote:
This is Justin - the "executive director" of Core. Thank you for the nice welcome Team Liquid..

We are NOT public yet and will not make our public announcement until September 1st. Our website isn't complete yet and we do not even have all of our overlays and graphics completed. This is the site: coreprogaming.com -- our members area IS complete however and we have roughly 300 members. We also have a private teamspeak.

All of our players have already been paid.. they are paid at the 1st of each month.. they also have received gear already.. I'm not an 'esports' person.

CorePro Design LLC has all paperwork submitted with the state of California and we are drafting the articles of organization and equity distribution. This entity will own Core Gaming because it's easier to channel funding to our players through an LLC than through an actual gaming organization.

Here is a draft post that I made for our incomplete liquipedia page:

Core Professional Gaming (Core Gaming) is a Starcraft 2, League of Legends, and DOTA 2 community comprised of over 300 active members. Established on May 1st 2013, Core Gaming (Core) is owned by CorePro Design LLC, a software consulting company based in California. The community sponsors a professional Starcraft II team, but maintains an amateur status in LoL and DOTA 2. The Starcraft 2 team currently has a roster of 5 high-level grandmaster players with future expansion to 7 or 8 players.

Core strictly maintains a troll-free, friendly environment on it's websites and TeamSpeak server. Anyone is allowed to join Core and use the Core TeamSpeak, provided that they adhere to the community guidelines. If you would like to explore and join Core, the Core community can be found here.

Core is a non-profit, player-centric gaming organization. Each manager of Core denotes his or her time free to the organization. All managers are required to hold a 4-year degree in a field related to their position, must have a full-time job, and must undergo a background check to verify integrity. All money from sponsors and donations goes directly to the players and to the community itself. Management is forbidden from profiting from the organization, except to cover costs and expenses necessary to fulfill their responsibilities.

All Core rostered players receive a monthly salary, gear perks, and travel subsidies for major tournaments. Every player is paid on the 1st of every month.

On August 11 2013 20:48 eLeVaTioN wrote:
I feel that I should make this post to question a new up and coming organization in the North American scene. I understand that allegations of a scam are very serious and people(s) reputations are greatly at stake. I will provide enough explanation in my reasoning behind what I've been able to find out.

On August 12 2013 01:48 eLeVaTioN wrote:



There are still a number of inconsistencies here.

1. You still have the issue of this "company". You claim the name is "CorePro Design" while your lone sponsor at the moment listed it as "CoreTech Engineering". Now I understand mistakes happen but that would be a very large mistake and sponsors would always be careful to ensure every bit of information is correct. You also just said it was easier to make this company as an LLC for funding purposes however claim it's a software consulting company. What does that have to do with your team?

2. Your "organization" has been around for a couple of months. You were a community for an arcade game and you yourself have been known within the community for having a bit of a bad reputation and you were the former leader of a team prior to this one. I don't see how you can say you're not an e-sports person when you've been involving yourself for months. You also go from just being this community into a professional organization all of a sudden? And a member of your organization claimed before that there were no intentions at the time for the team to become a professional organization. So how do we go from that to this all so soon?

3. You post says everyone involved with the team management wise is required to hold a bachelor's degree in a relating field ti which that person is involved with the team? If that's true, please explain how a guy with a supposed background in neuroscience and nanotechnology has anything to do with managing cashflow and sponsors? And how Biochemistry relates to communications? You also have a supposed creative director for content with a degree himself who makes a promo video stealing the work of a guy who makes After Effects tutorials. Not that I consider this the most important issue but it still shows some of the issues with your claims.

4. You're associating yourself with a person who I quite honestly don't believe he is who he says he is and many people in this community feel the same way. Think to yourself for a moment, how a college student who is currently conducting research in nanotechnology among supposedly having 2 profitable companies would have the time to play and coach players in Starcraft, let alone conduct himself in the ways he has on this website. Plus he claims to be the captain of his CSL team yet is no where to be found on Purdue's starcraft 2 team on their wiki page or their website in the Purdue database. Add that to the multiple accusations that even more notable players have thrown at him regarding his account being boosted, I can't believe anything he claims.

5. You said all players have been played and received gear. Some of this checks out and I've heard players have been paid but from what I've been told, not everyone received gear and the player I've had contact with never once mentioned travel as part of the offer.


I think there's still a lot of explaining for you to do...

On August 12 2013 02:09 Nerski wrote:
This could be some software guy who for better or worse threw together his own LLC and is trying to use w/e extra money he has to have a gaming team.

Reality here is this might be less of a case of scamming and more of a case of the owner slightly mis representing his exact situation in order to look more stable and 'legit'. Unless he just so happens to have a crap ton of disposable income (running a team that sends players to tournaments is massively expensive).

On August 12 2013 02:26 [Core] Neurotic wrote:
That's it for these posts for now. The official announcement will be around September 1st We all know that nothing I can really say now will mitigate your quest for drama and 'ah-ha!' discoveries.

So, let's wait until I have all of the official documentation by the date I promised and I will make it available on the official announcement threads in the next few weeks.

Cheers,
Justin

On August 12 2013 02:23 [Core] Neurotic wrote:

1. CorePro Design LLC is the entity. CorePro Engineering is an old name that was already taken so we had to switch. This caused a delay in the filing.

2. It was a clan since HOTS release actually (under a different name).. I don't consider an organization to be an organization until its held by a legal entity. But as a group, most of our community members have been around for months. It's only recently I made the decision with my associates to actually try to make this dream a reality.

3. Having a degree in neuroscience and biomed does not make you totally oblivious to running an account worth $10k.. buying gear and paying players.. seriously? As for the after effects introductions.. we PURCHASED a license to make those videos.. jesus christ dude. You want me to send you the licensing agreement and receipt?

4. Nano and I have exchanged extensive paperwork regarding his companies' identities, his current employment status, and his overall identity. He actually is who he says he is. Not only that, we are partnering with actual company executives who know him personally and vouched for his integrity. He holds an executive level position in two of his companies.. he does not single handedly run a company.. that is not how companies work. He is a high ranking exec in both of those companies with his value mostly derived from his equity positions. Unlike you, I have spoken and will speak to his coworkers -- because that is how you do true investigations. TL sometimes becomes a rumor mill and people tend to believe what they want to believe.. and what causes the most drama. With Nano, most of that drama is unfounded. I do admit that he does like to troll a bit though

5. All players have been paid and gear is sent on an as-requested basis. Travel to qualifying tournaments is not stated in their agreements, but it is something we will provide on a case by case basis. I do not make any promises that I cannot keep throughout the duration of a contract term.

On August 12 2013 00:03 NMxhendralisk wrote:
Don't think legit teams would advertise for players on bnet forums lol